XP, TDD, BDD, what's next?
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
Jun Du wrote:
I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from.
From people like Uncle Bob[^]. He's quite a character - if you get a chance to see him speak, just go!
Jun Du wrote:
I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
That's a big, big subject. I suspect that's because far too many software devs just muddle by and put up with poor quality rather than trying to change things for the better within their organisations. If you can make it along to the ACCU Conference[^] in April, this and related subjects will be debated at length in the bar as ever. You're welcome to join us. ;)
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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Jun Du wrote:
I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from.
From people like Uncle Bob[^]. He's quite a character - if you get a chance to see him speak, just go!
Jun Du wrote:
I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
That's a big, big subject. I suspect that's because far too many software devs just muddle by and put up with poor quality rather than trying to change things for the better within their organisations. If you can make it along to the ACCU Conference[^] in April, this and related subjects will be debated at length in the bar as ever. You're welcome to join us. ;)
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
From people like Uncle Bob
I had a quick look, but I ran into the "L" word, so I had to leave the site.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
Jun Du wrote:
Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from.
From drunkards university lecturers who need to get a bit tenured up, so that bright young things won't take their jobs.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
The trouble is newbie devs think that patterns, or scrum, or something else is a magic bullet. Those methodoligies help, but nothing makes you a better programmer overnight, and all software has bugs at some point in the SDLC, no matter how good your testing and how good the end result.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
From people like Uncle Bob
I had a quick look, but I ran into the "L" word, so I had to leave the site.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Which one?
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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The trouble is newbie devs think that patterns, or scrum, or something else is a magic bullet. Those methodoligies help, but nothing makes you a better programmer overnight, and all software has bugs at some point in the SDLC, no matter how good your testing and how good the end result.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
nothing makes you a better programmer overnight
Why sirree, you haven't tried Uncle Pete's Patented Programming Tonic, guaranteed to make you a smarter, more productive programmer overnight. I resent the use of the word snake-oil.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
Jun Du wrote:
I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from.
They've been around since programming was invented. What you're seeing is modern society's desire to give everything a name and call it "a new trend".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
Jun Du wrote:
software is still not short of bugs
This reminds me of an old joke at my last job:
I code, hence, I bug
Surely, if debugging is the act of taking out bugs from programs, coding is the act of introduce them in first place! BTW, BDD as well as TDD, is not about having pristine QA tests passed, but more on hinting you of flaws on the design of your applications. How people don't get this, and think that it can solve their problems, I don't understand either. Really, the only magic bullet I have heard works, are the ones JSOP carries, and I'm not willing to meet them, nor validating their effectiveness :-D
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
Probably invented by a bunch of Arts majors...
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
as in, Evidence Based Programming. A primer[^] (sorry for the ads coverign the content) But it seems like we are in for another round of "whatthat blogger thinks is best".
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Christian Graus wrote:
nothing makes you a better programmer overnight
Why sirree, you haven't tried Uncle Pete's Patented Programming Tonic, guaranteed to make you a smarter, more productive programmer overnight. I resent the use of the word snake-oil.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Uncle Pete's Patented Programming Tonic
That's the one you gave the girls at code-camp. The girls who felt very sleepy...
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
Jun Du wrote:
Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Hell I start with a bug and work backwards, saves on design time. :)
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Jun Du wrote:
I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from.
From people like Uncle Bob[^]. He's quite a character - if you get a chance to see him speak, just go!
Jun Du wrote:
I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
That's a big, big subject. I suspect that's because far too many software devs just muddle by and put up with poor quality rather than trying to change things for the better within their organisations. If you can make it along to the ACCU Conference[^] in April, this and related subjects will be debated at length in the bar as ever. You're welcome to join us. ;)
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
Interesting article. I do find this a bit weird though: "This software transformation, whatever it is, is coming. It must come; because we simply cannot keep piling complexity upon complexity. " Why *must* it come? Maybe given the fact that software is just a bunch of sequential instructions, it *can't* come. Maybe the very nature of the computing hardware (i.e. a bunch of very tiny switches, all in a predefined physical layout with no way of changing themselves) prevents any other way of doing this.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
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Which one?
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Which one?
L... e... i... b... ... ... No, I'm sorry. I just can't do it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.
Best, Jun
The next big thing is Emergent Design. This is the fancy new name for what we used to call "making this shit up as we go along".
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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The next big thing is Emergent Design. This is the fancy new name for what we used to call "making this shit up as we go along".
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
what we used to call "making this sh*t up as we go along".
I thought that was the real "Extreme Programming" :confused: That, or some dev guy doing a HALO jump, laptop in hand, fixing a priority code 1 bug :laugh: In COBOL.... With only documentation available in the form of TY Cobol in 21 days.... :laugh:
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Which one?
L... e... i... b... ... ... No, I'm sorry. I just can't do it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Ah, that one. Doesn't have the same effect here, fortunately.
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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The next big thing is Emergent Design. This is the fancy new name for what we used to call "making this shit up as we go along".
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
