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  • A Anna Jayne Metcalfe

    Which one?

    Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"

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    Mark_Wallace
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    Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:

    Which one?

    L... e... i... b... ... ... No, I'm sorry. I just can't do it.

    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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    • J Jun Du

      Just came across an artical about Behavior Driven Development, which reminds me of Test Driven Development, Extreme Programming, Agile, Scrum. Just name a few. I'm wondering where these fancy terminologies came from. Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.

      Best, Jun

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      Pete OHanlon
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      The next big thing is Emergent Design. This is the fancy new name for what we used to call "making this shit up as we go along".

      I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        The next big thing is Emergent Design. This is the fancy new name for what we used to call "making this shit up as we go along".

        I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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        Soulus83
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        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

        what we used to call "making this sh*t up as we go along".

        I thought that was the real "Extreme Programming" :confused: That, or some dev guy doing a HALO jump, laptop in hand, fixing a priority code 1 bug :laugh: In COBOL.... With only documentation available in the form of TY Cobol in 21 days.... :laugh:

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          Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:

          Which one?

          L... e... i... b... ... ... No, I'm sorry. I just can't do it.

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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          Ah, that one. Doesn't have the same effect here, fortunately.

          Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"

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          • P Pete OHanlon

            The next big thing is Emergent Design. This is the fancy new name for what we used to call "making this shit up as we go along".

            I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

            Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

            My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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            leckey 0
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            Awesome. Just awesome. I needed that today.

            Soon...soon...http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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            • J Jim Crafton

              Interesting article. I do find this a bit weird though: "This software transformation, whatever it is, is coming. It must come; because we simply cannot keep piling complexity upon complexity. " Why *must* it come? Maybe given the fact that software is just a bunch of sequential instructions, it *can't* come. Maybe the very nature of the computing hardware (i.e. a bunch of very tiny switches, all in a predefined physical layout with no way of changing themselves) prevents any other way of doing this.

              ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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              Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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              I haven't read that bit yet; it looks too much like philosophy and I'm way too sober for that tonight. :rose:

              Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"

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              • A Anna Jayne Metcalfe

                I haven't read that bit yet; it looks too much like philosophy and I'm way too sober for that tonight. :rose:

                Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"

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                Pete OHanlon
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                Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:

                I'm way too sober for that tonight.

                Well dammit girl, get out there and do something about it. What are you waiting for?

                I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                  Awesome. Just awesome. I needed that today.

                  Soon...soon...http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                  Pete OHanlon
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                  Ah hah. Welcome back Leckey. How are you doing? Is everything OK now?

                  I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                  Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                  • P Pete OHanlon

                    Ah hah. Welcome back Leckey. How are you doing? Is everything OK now?

                    I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                    leckey 0
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                    A bit of a roller coaster still. I just managed to miss the first round of layoffs at my current company. I don't think I can handle a fourth layoff in four years! At least my therapist is making a living off of me. :-D

                    Soon...Soon....http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                    • L leckey 0

                      A bit of a roller coaster still. I just managed to miss the first round of layoffs at my current company. I don't think I can handle a fourth layoff in four years! At least my therapist is making a living off of me. :-D

                      Soon...Soon....http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                      Pete OHanlon
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                      leckey wrote:

                      I just managed to miss the first round of layoffs at my current company.

                      That's good. I'm pleased to here this. Dare I ask how hubby is?

                      I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                      Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        leckey wrote:

                        I just managed to miss the first round of layoffs at my current company.

                        That's good. I'm pleased to here this. Dare I ask how hubby is?

                        I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                        leckey 0
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                        This about sums it... http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8248799/[^]

                        Soon...very soon...http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                        • L leckey 0

                          This about sums it... http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8248799/[^]

                          Soon...very soon...http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                          Pete OHanlon
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                          :laugh: Damn you woman. Damn you.

                          I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                            This about sums it... http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8248799/[^]

                            Soon...very soon...http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                            Pete OHanlon
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                            How's the narcolepsy going? Are you still being adversely affected?

                            I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                            Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                            My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                            • P Pete OHanlon

                              Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:

                              I'm way too sober for that tonight.

                              Well dammit girl, get out there and do something about it. What are you waiting for?

                              I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.

                              Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                              My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                              Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                              I'm pacing myself - out tomorrow night! :thumbsup:

                              Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"

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                              • J Jim Crafton

                                Interesting article. I do find this a bit weird though: "This software transformation, whatever it is, is coming. It must come; because we simply cannot keep piling complexity upon complexity. " Why *must* it come? Maybe given the fact that software is just a bunch of sequential instructions, it *can't* come. Maybe the very nature of the computing hardware (i.e. a bunch of very tiny switches, all in a predefined physical layout with no way of changing themselves) prevents any other way of doing this.

                                ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                                Jim Crafton wrote:

                                because we simply cannot keep piling complexity upon complexity

                                This guy has not run into SAP, Peoplesoft, Oracle, Crystal Reports ha ha ha hic *slap*

                                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                • C Christian Graus

                                  The trouble is newbie devs think that patterns, or scrum, or something else is a magic bullet. Those methodoligies help, but nothing makes you a better programmer overnight, and all software has bugs at some point in the SDLC, no matter how good your testing and how good the end result.

                                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Christian Graus wrote:

                                  nothing makes you a better programmer overnight

                                  How about peer programming with JSOP?

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                                  • C Christian Graus

                                    The trouble is newbie devs think that patterns, or scrum, or something else is a magic bullet. Those methodoligies help, but nothing makes you a better programmer overnight, and all software has bugs at some point in the SDLC, no matter how good your testing and how good the end result.

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    Jun Du
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                                    Christian Graus wrote:

                                    all software has bugs at some point in the SDLC, no matter how good your testing and how good the end result.

                                    This may sound ok to the development community, but not acceptable to end users. You can eliminate buggs if you understand the system well, know how to test it, and actually test it throughly. IMO, not being properly tested is a major reason for buggy software.

                                    Best, Jun

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                                      Jun Du wrote:

                                      Regardless, software is still not short of bugs.

                                      Hell I start with a bug and work backwards, saves on design time. :)

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                                      Jun Du
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                                      Actually there is name for this too. It's called code-and-fix, compared to waterfall or terative approaches.

                                      Best, Jun

                                      modified on Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:07 AM

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                                      • J Jun Du

                                        Christian Graus wrote:

                                        all software has bugs at some point in the SDLC, no matter how good your testing and how good the end result.

                                        This may sound ok to the development community, but not acceptable to end users. You can eliminate buggs if you understand the system well, know how to test it, and actually test it throughly. IMO, not being properly tested is a major reason for buggy software.

                                        Best, Jun

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                                        mis4tune
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                                        You forgot the major reason for not testing "properly"... no time! I mean seriously the understanding of a system depends on so many factors that its impossible to figure out whether its understood or not. IMO the reason for too many bugs is the count of young developers and the bug count at this rate is awesome and it should stay like this! We always have to consider that all of us were noobs once(I'm still, kinda) and that there will always be "new Guys" in almost every development project in this world :D and that is perfectly fine :D

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                                        • J Jun Du

                                          Christian Graus wrote:

                                          all software has bugs at some point in the SDLC, no matter how good your testing and how good the end result.

                                          This may sound ok to the development community, but not acceptable to end users. You can eliminate buggs if you understand the system well, know how to test it, and actually test it throughly. IMO, not being properly tested is a major reason for buggy software.

                                          Best, Jun

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                                          I guess you don't know what SDLC stands for... :-D

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