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So, for the past few weeks, Tunisia, Albania, England and now Egypt are rioting/revolting. So even though they have the guns, the state is not able to keep this down. It's not that they can't, it's that their power comes only from consent. So: do you fear the people? Do you fear the government? Do you feel sympathy for the people, or do you think that the state should rule with such a heavy hand? http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/[^] Egypt revolution at your fingertips.
Josh Davis
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So, for the past few weeks, Tunisia, Albania, England and now Egypt are rioting/revolting. So even though they have the guns, the state is not able to keep this down. It's not that they can't, it's that their power comes only from consent. So: do you fear the people? Do you fear the government? Do you feel sympathy for the people, or do you think that the state should rule with such a heavy hand? http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/[^] Egypt revolution at your fingertips.
Josh Davis
This is what plays in my head when I finish projects.Long time, Josh... Takes a whole revolution to drag you back in here :) I have to, admittedly, agree with what Hilary said in her speech... The people need to cut down the violence, and the government needs to stop trying to suppress them and block communication. Both sides need to figure out a non-violent solution to it... That said, I think the chances of that actually happening are about the same as me winning the lottery. From the very limited second-hand research I've done (i.e. asking my coworkers, "Hey, anyone know what the hell is going on in Egypt?"), it sounds like their president has been holding onto his chair a bit too tightly. Time for him to let go... So if I had to choose, I'd side with the people... Do what needs to be done, and try not to get too many people killed in the process. If enough people want change, it can happen.
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So, for the past few weeks, Tunisia, Albania, England and now Egypt are rioting/revolting. So even though they have the guns, the state is not able to keep this down. It's not that they can't, it's that their power comes only from consent. So: do you fear the people? Do you fear the government? Do you feel sympathy for the people, or do you think that the state should rule with such a heavy hand? http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/[^] Egypt revolution at your fingertips.
Josh Davis
This is what plays in my head when I finish projects.Living in the USA I have been spoiled as the government is bad but you can live with it, I have no idea as to what other countries are like and the conditions they have. To me it would be logical to revolt if the government tried to suppress you. As I have stated before I am not a brave person so I think I would be under the heal of some side. Too often a extreme group replaces the bad government as the common people are not motivated to act.
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So, for the past few weeks, Tunisia, Albania, England and now Egypt are rioting/revolting. So even though they have the guns, the state is not able to keep this down. It's not that they can't, it's that their power comes only from consent. So: do you fear the people? Do you fear the government? Do you feel sympathy for the people, or do you think that the state should rule with such a heavy hand? http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/[^] Egypt revolution at your fingertips.
Josh Davis
This is what plays in my head when I finish projects.They need to be extremely careful that their revolution is not co-opted by another extremist group which will just suppress and oppress the people. Such was the case with the Russian "Revolution".
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
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They need to be extremely careful that their revolution is not co-opted by another extremist group which will just suppress and oppress the people. Such was the case with the Russian "Revolution".
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You have a good point here. The history shows that when some dictator in the Middle East fails his place is taken from an Islamic extremist’s theocracy. Iran comes to mind.
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You have a good point here. The history shows that when some dictator in the Middle East fails his place is taken from an Islamic extremist’s theocracy. Iran comes to mind.
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Bingo!
"If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
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So, for the past few weeks, Tunisia, Albania, England and now Egypt are rioting/revolting. So even though they have the guns, the state is not able to keep this down. It's not that they can't, it's that their power comes only from consent. So: do you fear the people? Do you fear the government? Do you feel sympathy for the people, or do you think that the state should rule with such a heavy hand? http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/[^] Egypt revolution at your fingertips.
Josh Davis
This is what plays in my head when I finish projects.josda1000 wrote:
So, for the past few weeks, Tunisia, Albania, England and now Egypt are rioting/revolting
Seen similar to this a couple of times recently - why does everyone think we're rioting in the UK? OK - the kiddies had a little sit-down in parliament square a while back, but I don't remember any riots or revolutions! But then, I guess most non-UK CP-ians haven't seen a typical provincial town on a Friday night, so are slightly mislead as to what us Brits consider a PROPER riot lol!
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So, for the past few weeks, Tunisia, Albania, England and now Egypt are rioting/revolting. So even though they have the guns, the state is not able to keep this down. It's not that they can't, it's that their power comes only from consent. So: do you fear the people? Do you fear the government? Do you feel sympathy for the people, or do you think that the state should rule with such a heavy hand? http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/[^] Egypt revolution at your fingertips.
Josh Davis
This is what plays in my head when I finish projects.josda1000 wrote:
England
WTF! Where? What? Who? When? And if you mean a few students complining about their grant money MONTHS ago then you are way out in both time and seriousness.
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josda1000 wrote:
So, for the past few weeks, Tunisia, Albania, England and now Egypt are rioting/revolting
Seen similar to this a couple of times recently - why does everyone think we're rioting in the UK? OK - the kiddies had a little sit-down in parliament square a while back, but I don't remember any riots or revolutions! But then, I guess most non-UK CP-ians haven't seen a typical provincial town on a Friday night, so are slightly mislead as to what us Brits consider a PROPER riot lol!
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Maybe they meant revolting.
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So, for the past few weeks, Tunisia, Albania, England and now Egypt are rioting/revolting. So even though they have the guns, the state is not able to keep this down. It's not that they can't, it's that their power comes only from consent. So: do you fear the people? Do you fear the government? Do you feel sympathy for the people, or do you think that the state should rule with such a heavy hand? http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/[^] Egypt revolution at your fingertips.
Josh Davis
This is what plays in my head when I finish projects.England??? No, a roit in England is several hours of moving aimlessly around the city centre, chanting and now and again, lightly jostling with those terribly nice police followed by a steaming cup of tea and some chocolate hob-nobs. England is not like those other third-world shit holes.
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England??? No, a roit in England is several hours of moving aimlessly around the city centre, chanting and now and again, lightly jostling with those terribly nice police followed by a steaming cup of tea and some chocolate hob-nobs. England is not like those other third-world shit holes.
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digital man wrote:
England is not like those other third-world sh*t holes.
So, you consider England to be a unique third-world sh*t hole? :)
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England??? No, a roit in England is several hours of moving aimlessly around the city centre, chanting and now and again, lightly jostling with those terribly nice police followed by a steaming cup of tea and some chocolate hob-nobs. England is not like those other third-world shit holes.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Long time, Josh... Takes a whole revolution to drag you back in here :) I have to, admittedly, agree with what Hilary said in her speech... The people need to cut down the violence, and the government needs to stop trying to suppress them and block communication. Both sides need to figure out a non-violent solution to it... That said, I think the chances of that actually happening are about the same as me winning the lottery. From the very limited second-hand research I've done (i.e. asking my coworkers, "Hey, anyone know what the hell is going on in Egypt?"), it sounds like their president has been holding onto his chair a bit too tightly. Time for him to let go... So if I had to choose, I'd side with the people... Do what needs to be done, and try not to get too many people killed in the process. If enough people want change, it can happen.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Basically lately I've been a lurker. I noticed that a hell of a lot of nothing has been talked about in the back room in the last week or two, and I thought it was a great time to show people that history time and again shows to for those who think that standing up to the government is a fool's game. People who think like this, people who are scared of the government, are those whom has no inner spirit for the most part. If you have dignity for yourself and others, show it. That's the way I see it. "Government is there for the greater good." Ha. There's something consistent with all governments: it's involuntary. It's a thief. It's a murderer. The very basis of government is that it's force and an aggressor. You pay your taxes for fear of going to jail. It is the only group on the planet that consistently steals to give to the rich, and whatever they don't want they give back to you to make it seem like a Robin Hood story. They constantly cause wars "to spread democracy" when it's just oil they're after, having nothing to do, again, with the common man. #justsayin Sorry I ranted Ian, but seriously, people need to see what this whole thing is about. Yes, if people want change, they can make it happen. But why is that? He was trying to revoke their rights... but that's impossible. They are acting in self defense, which is absolutely a natural right. You can't take away rights; it's impossible. They're unalienable. You couldn't trade a right even if you wanted to. Anyway, good to see you're still checkin out the back room Ian, it's been awhile.
Josh Davis
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Basically lately I've been a lurker. I noticed that a hell of a lot of nothing has been talked about in the back room in the last week or two, and I thought it was a great time to show people that history time and again shows to for those who think that standing up to the government is a fool's game. People who think like this, people who are scared of the government, are those whom has no inner spirit for the most part. If you have dignity for yourself and others, show it. That's the way I see it. "Government is there for the greater good." Ha. There's something consistent with all governments: it's involuntary. It's a thief. It's a murderer. The very basis of government is that it's force and an aggressor. You pay your taxes for fear of going to jail. It is the only group on the planet that consistently steals to give to the rich, and whatever they don't want they give back to you to make it seem like a Robin Hood story. They constantly cause wars "to spread democracy" when it's just oil they're after, having nothing to do, again, with the common man. #justsayin Sorry I ranted Ian, but seriously, people need to see what this whole thing is about. Yes, if people want change, they can make it happen. But why is that? He was trying to revoke their rights... but that's impossible. They are acting in self defense, which is absolutely a natural right. You can't take away rights; it's impossible. They're unalienable. You couldn't trade a right even if you wanted to. Anyway, good to see you're still checkin out the back room Ian, it's been awhile.
Josh Davis
This is what plays in my head when I finish projects.Government is a necessary evil... Without it, you have anarchy. Even if 99% of people are generally good and behave fairly (Ha!), that 1% will still ruin everything unless there's a force in place to stop them. Human nature is what it is, so "Can't we all just get along?" will never work in the foreseeable future. But yes, I do agree that in practice, government tends toward corruption and sometimes outright malice. That doesn't mean we need to REMOVE the government. It means we need to keep a close watch on it, and be prepared to smack it upside the head when it misbehaves. In some countries, they forgot to watch it, and it became too powerful to smack. In the US, it didn't get too powerful... It got too smart. If the American people collectively wanted change, we would get change. We're not stuck in this rut because of an oppressive regime... We're stuck in this rut because enough people have been made content or ambivalent by clever politicians, the media, and lack of education.
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Anyway, good to see you're still checkin out the back room Ian, it's been awhi
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So, for the past few weeks, Tunisia, Albania, England and now Egypt are rioting/revolting. So even though they have the guns, the state is not able to keep this down. It's not that they can't, it's that their power comes only from consent. So: do you fear the people? Do you fear the government? Do you feel sympathy for the people, or do you think that the state should rule with such a heavy hand? http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/[^] Egypt revolution at your fingertips.
Josh Davis
This is what plays in my head when I finish projects.Legitimacy of a government can only come from the People through free, opened elections. Egyptian and Tunisian governments are therefore not legitimate. Being sure a government does not become an oppressor is easy, the system just has to respect separation of powers[^] separation of powers: executive, judiciary and legislature have to be separate and control each others.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?