Confusing: UK, England, Ireland, Britain, Scotland, Wales, Islands
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Most of the people that live in London believe that London is the UK and everything outside of the M25 is a strange, inhospitable land inhabited by Morlocks, dwarves, poor people and criminals. :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
digital man wrote:
everything outside of the M25 is a strange, inhospitable land inhabited by Morlocks, dwarves, poor people and criminals
Ah, North Wales! :)
2011 - Our best hope is that things will be frightening and dangerous rather than desperate and horrific. Jesse's Café Américain
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
United States
UK.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Continental United States
Great Britain.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Alaska and Hawaii
Scotland and Wales.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
North America
British Isles.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
America
Britain. Guess we're not so different after all. :-D
AspDotNetDev wrote:
Guess we're not so different after all. :-D
Actually youthem guys all talk funny. But we Mare-Kinz are usually too polite to mention it. :laugh: ;P :-D :cool:
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Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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See, we do a better job here... United States = Everything Continental United States = Everything except Alaska and Hawaii, cause they're out in the middle of nowhere (And Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house, dontchaknow!) North America = US, Canada, Mexico, and Greenland America = Just the US again, cause we kinda stole that term... The Canadians and Mexicans may never forgive us :)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
America = Just the US again
It's just your ego that can't fit in your piece of land :-D Although, thinking about it, I don't know how's the situation with Canada but you'll soon have more mexicans than Mexico, so we will be one country.... X|
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Most of the people that live in London believe that London is the UK and everything outside of the M25 is a strange, inhospitable land inhabited by Morlocks, dwarves, poor people and criminals. :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Or Dalek Dave as we prefer to call him.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
Guess we're not so different after all. :-D
Actually youthem guys all talk funny. But we Mare-Kinz are usually too polite to mention it. :laugh: ;P :-D :cool:
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Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
Walt Fair, Jr. wrote:
Actually you guys all talk funny.
I assume by "you guys" you mean "them guys". I'm Mare-Kin too, dontcha know!
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
America = Just the US again
It's just your ego that can't fit in your piece of land :-D Although, thinking about it, I don't know how's the situation with Canada but you'll soon have more mexicans than Mexico, so we will be one country.... X|
Soulus83 wrote:
It's just your ego that can't fit in your piece of land
I've been told that some maps show the US larger than it actually is to make the US seem more important. Kinda like how large condoms were air dropped to soldiers so that when enemy solders saw them they would be intimidated (or was that in a movie?).
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Walt Fair, Jr. wrote:
Actually you guys all talk funny.
I assume by "you guys" you mean "them guys". I'm Mare-Kin too, dontcha know!
Sorry ... I fixed it.
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Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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DaveAuld wrote:
the taste of haggis
One of my favourite dishes. Unfortunately I missed Robbie's birthday this year so will probably have it this weekend, with neeps and tatties, and a large measure of The Macallan.
I must get a clever new signature for 2011.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
and a large measure of The Macallan
Is that to deaden the taste of the haggis? :laugh:
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your a$$ will be laminated. There are 10 kinds of people in the world: People who know binary and people who don't.
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Sorry ... I fixed it.
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Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
That wasn't necessary, but while you're at it you may want to change that underline to a strikethrough. :)
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That wasn't necessary, but while you're at it you may want to change that underline to a strikethrough. :)
Done. I've been eating and sleeping statistics and numerical solutions of PDE's so anything that doesn't involve derivatives and backwards 6's look all the same to me right now. ;P :-D :omg: :-O
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Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Sorry ... I fixed it.
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Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
So how are the Fair Colonials these days?
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
and a large measure of The Macallan
Is that to deaden the taste of the haggis? :laugh:
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your a$$ will be laminated. There are 10 kinds of people in the world: People who know binary and people who don't.
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See, we do a better job here... United States = Everything Continental United States = Everything except Alaska and Hawaii, cause they're out in the middle of nowhere (And Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house, dontchaknow!) North America = US, Canada, Mexico, and Greenland America = Just the US again, cause we kinda stole that term... The Canadians and Mexicans may never forgive us :)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
America = Just the US again, cause we kinda stole that term... The Canadians and Mexicans may never forgive us
Not just the Canadians and Mexicans...many South Americans call themselves Americans, too. They call people from the US 'estadounidense' but we're all 'americanos' from North to South America.
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A friend said he and I should visit England and I wanted to see if that includes Ireland (it does not)... surprising how confusing the British Isles are. Thanks to this page, I think I'm finally starting to understand it:
- Great Britain includes Scotland, Wales, and England.
- The UK includes Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
- The British Isles includes the UK, the Republic of Ireland, and a few smaller islands.
Now, some questions for you, er, British Isles folk. When somebody says "Britain", do they mean Great Britain or the British Isles? And when somebody says "Ireland", do they mean both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, or do they mean just one of those two? As a bonus question, what are each of these things categorized as (e.g., country, state)? :doh: And before you ask, no, geography was not my strongest subject in school.
My understanding is that it's geographic versus political differences. Britian is the geographic entity (island) on which the political entities of England, Scotland, and Wales happen to sit. Similarly with Ireland the island versus Ireland/Northern Ireland the political entities. The UK is a bigger political entity which encompasses the political entities on Britain as well as Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, Orkneys, etc, etc, and a few far-flung places. They still have colonies or some such, right? Then, the Commonwealth is the UK plus Australia, Canada, and others (although I think that's more of an economic than political thing?) Now, I believe the UK to be the country. I'm not sure how they refer to the sub-entities. Not states like in the US or Australia, I don't think they're provinces as in Canada.
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I will let our illustrious British CPians correct me if I am wrong :)
AspDotNetDev wrote:
When somebody says "Britain", do they mean Great Britain or the British Isles?
Depends on that person's understanding :) But technically, 'Britain' is a synonym for the UK. For instance, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is commonly called the British PM.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
And when somebody says "Ireland", do they mean both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, or do they mean just one of those two?
"Ireland" can mean The Republic of Ireland, or it can be used to refer to the entire island. Ireland is represented by a single, unified team in several sports. Cricket and Rugby come to mind.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
As a bonus question, what are each of these things categorized as (e.g., country, state)?
The UK is often considered a union of four* countries. Google for "countries within a country". * Or three, depending on whether you consider England and Wales separate or not, but let's not get into that :)
Cheers, विक्रम (Have gone past my troika - 4 CCCs!) "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Ireland" can mean The Republic of Ireland, or it can be used to refer to the entire island.
The southern half of Ireland, I.e. the part that is a republic and not part of the UK is quite commonly known as Eire; which is the Irish name for Ireland.
I'm too lazy to Google it for you.
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My understanding is that it's geographic versus political differences. Britian is the geographic entity (island) on which the political entities of England, Scotland, and Wales happen to sit. Similarly with Ireland the island versus Ireland/Northern Ireland the political entities. The UK is a bigger political entity which encompasses the political entities on Britain as well as Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, Orkneys, etc, etc, and a few far-flung places. They still have colonies or some such, right? Then, the Commonwealth is the UK plus Australia, Canada, and others (although I think that's more of an economic than political thing?) Now, I believe the UK to be the country. I'm not sure how they refer to the sub-entities. Not states like in the US or Australia, I don't think they're provinces as in Canada.
agolddog wrote:
Now, I believe the UK to be the country. I'm not sure how they refer to the sub-entities. Not states like in the US or Australia, I don't think they're provinces as in Canada.
The UK is not a country per se, it is a collection of countries that share a common monarch. The main land mass contains three SEPERATE countries: England, Scotland and Wales; this is collectively known as Britain or Great Britain. The UK or United Kingdom encompasses Great Britain AND Northern Ireland which is on a seperate land mass. Therefore, for someone to say that they are British they are alluding to the fact that they are from the land mass containing England, Scotland & Wales. Now, you will not find many Welsh or Scots people say that they are British, and to be honest, I don't blame them. Being British doesn't mean what it once used to. Me, I'm not British either, I'm English and bloody proud of it. Being British ISN'T a national identity anymore; it doesn't mean anything.
I'm too lazy to Google it for you.
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My understanding is that it's geographic versus political differences. Britian is the geographic entity (island) on which the political entities of England, Scotland, and Wales happen to sit. Similarly with Ireland the island versus Ireland/Northern Ireland the political entities. The UK is a bigger political entity which encompasses the political entities on Britain as well as Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, Orkneys, etc, etc, and a few far-flung places. They still have colonies or some such, right? Then, the Commonwealth is the UK plus Australia, Canada, and others (although I think that's more of an economic than political thing?) Now, I believe the UK to be the country. I'm not sure how they refer to the sub-entities. Not states like in the US or Australia, I don't think they're provinces as in Canada.
agolddog wrote:
The UK is a bigger political entity which encompasses the political entities on Britain as well as Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, Orkneys, etc, etc, and a few far-flung places.
The Isle of Man isn't part of the UK. The far-flung places you refer to are British Overseas Territories (Falklands, Diego Garcia, Akrotiri and Dhekelia, etc), not legally part of the UK.
Cheers, विक्रम (Have gone past my troika - 4 CCCs!) "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh:
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
America = Just the US again, cause we kinda stole that term... The Canadians and Mexicans may never forgive us
Not just the Canadians and Mexicans...many South Americans call themselves Americans, too. They call people from the US 'estadounidense' but we're all 'americanos' from North to South America.
That gets me kind of confused... Just like you, I call people from US "estadounidense" (after all, I'm brazilian and an american), but what would be the equivalent in english? You know, instead of american, would I call someone from the US a "unitedstatian"? That would be just the literal translation and doesn't seem very pretty... That's something that has bugged me for many years! [EDIT] I finally looked it up, some good info can be found in a Wikipedia entry. It seems people from the US have been calling themselves americans since the 18th century, but there are a few other less known ways to call them (united statian is actually one of them).
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modified on Thursday, February 3, 2011 3:16 AM