Old junk or rare and valuable hardware?
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Mike Hankey wrote:
That's the only reason I remembered it.
I thought I remembered it also, but a couple folks proved me wrong. See the other responses to my statement. Sometimes my memory fails me especially after over 30 years. Perhaps it is so for the assembler you were working with, but it is not true, as I thought, for all assemblers. :-O
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesI also was proven wrong...hey it's been close to 30 yrs. and with all the brain cells I've managed to exterminate over the years it's a wonder I can remember my name. :)
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I also was proven wrong...hey it's been close to 30 yrs. and with all the brain cells I've managed to exterminate over the years it's a wonder I can remember my name. :)
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Oh well so much for memory. I think I remember when I could rely on mine, but not anymore. :-D I do a lot of googleing these days when I code. It is better than trying to remember how to do things.
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Oh well so much for memory. I think I remember when I could rely on mine, but not anymore. :-D I do a lot of googleing these days when I code. It is better than trying to remember how to do things.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote:
Oh well so much for memory. I think I remember when I could rely on mine, but not anymore.
I can't remember when I had memory. :)
JimmyRopes wrote:
I do a lot of googleing these days when I code. It is better than trying to remember how to do things.
I do the same thing. Have a library of books but it's easier and faster to google...most of the time.
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I still have my first computer, a Netronics Elf II from 1978. It was a kit and I had to scrape together my allowance to get parts and components. I did what I could, but I never got all the neat expansions and had to content with 4k RAM and great black and white graphics at a resolution of 64 x 32 pixels or 64 x 64 pixels. Now I came across someone who wants to sell his old computer. Unlike mine it has practically everything the manufacturer had to offer, including several 4k and 16k memory expansion boards. The four 4k cards cost about 110$ each back then. I know. At least I have one of them. And the two 16k cards were extremely expensive. I would be crazy enough to buy it, but it's only sold completely and the seller wants at least 6000$ for it. That price probably would be equivalent to what the entire computer cost back in 1978. I suppose, I will pass on that offer, but what is the right price? The technology is more than obsolete. I could easily get a 64k RAM chip for a few dollars. It would need little additional logic and making the circuit board would be the hardest part. From that perspective, the price is laughable. On the other side it's a rare old machine. I would not hope to find 1000 of them in working condition on the entire planet. But are there really enough people around who are interested enough to pay such a price?
"I have what could be described as the most wide-open sense of humor on the site, and if I don't think something is funny, then it really isn't." - JSOC, 2011 -----
"Friar Modest never was a prior" - Italian proverbIf you pay $6,000 for it, then that becomes its market value. If you offer $50 and he accepts, then that becomes its market value. If you pay $6,000 for it, and later can't find a buyer who is willing to pay more than $50, you've been screwed. Never buy anything according to the "market value" or "book price". How much something is worth to a hypothetical person is irrelevant, it's what real people will pay that counts, and even if one idiot was stoopid enough to pay $6,000 for a similar pile of obsolete hardware (although I dare say that no-one ever did; it's probably an "estimated value") that doesn't mean that all such piles are worth that much. Consider how much the item is worth to you, and don't pay more than that.
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CDP1802 wrote:
Netronics Elf II from 1978
Don't know about that, but if I ever bump into one of these[^], I'll be seiously tempted.
Interesting, hadn't heard of that before. Seems weird that they'd produce a C64 successor years after the Amiga already replaced it though?
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Mike Hankey wrote:
Back then I could, I knew the instruction set inside and out.
Very impressive! :thumbsup:
Mike Hankey wrote:
One of the work shops was on self modifying code. The group said it couldn't be done until I showed them how.
Some people can never get how to do that even after being shown how. Things like that are what I miss about coding in assembler the most.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesI remember knowing the Z80 instruction set on a similar basis when coding with a ZX81, then Spectrum. That and the Complete Spectrum ROM Disassembly book helped write fairly efficient machine code (I had no assembler!)
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I still have my first computer, a Netronics Elf II from 1978. It was a kit and I had to scrape together my allowance to get parts and components. I did what I could, but I never got all the neat expansions and had to content with 4k RAM and great black and white graphics at a resolution of 64 x 32 pixels or 64 x 64 pixels. Now I came across someone who wants to sell his old computer. Unlike mine it has practically everything the manufacturer had to offer, including several 4k and 16k memory expansion boards. The four 4k cards cost about 110$ each back then. I know. At least I have one of them. And the two 16k cards were extremely expensive. I would be crazy enough to buy it, but it's only sold completely and the seller wants at least 6000$ for it. That price probably would be equivalent to what the entire computer cost back in 1978. I suppose, I will pass on that offer, but what is the right price? The technology is more than obsolete. I could easily get a 64k RAM chip for a few dollars. It would need little additional logic and making the circuit board would be the hardest part. From that perspective, the price is laughable. On the other side it's a rare old machine. I would not hope to find 1000 of them in working condition on the entire planet. But are there really enough people around who are interested enough to pay such a price?
"I have what could be described as the most wide-open sense of humor on the site, and if I don't think something is funny, then it really isn't." - JSOC, 2011 -----
"Friar Modest never was a prior" - Italian proverbYou don't need enough people to pay a certain price, you just need one. ;)
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It is what kept you up at night drove you crazy when you had to modify something you coded six months before. FTFY
JimmyRopes wrote:
code like the person that is going to maintain your code is a psycopath who knows where you live.
He is and he does. :)
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Yes, I often find I have to maintain my own code too ;-)
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You don't need enough people to pay a certain price, you just need one. ;)
Yes, sure, but I doubt there are many people around who want to pay 6000$ for an old computer. But I wish the seller luck and try to keep an eye on it should he really take this to Ebay.
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I still have my first computer, a Netronics Elf II from 1978. It was a kit and I had to scrape together my allowance to get parts and components. I did what I could, but I never got all the neat expansions and had to content with 4k RAM and great black and white graphics at a resolution of 64 x 32 pixels or 64 x 64 pixels. Now I came across someone who wants to sell his old computer. Unlike mine it has practically everything the manufacturer had to offer, including several 4k and 16k memory expansion boards. The four 4k cards cost about 110$ each back then. I know. At least I have one of them. And the two 16k cards were extremely expensive. I would be crazy enough to buy it, but it's only sold completely and the seller wants at least 6000$ for it. That price probably would be equivalent to what the entire computer cost back in 1978. I suppose, I will pass on that offer, but what is the right price? The technology is more than obsolete. I could easily get a 64k RAM chip for a few dollars. It would need little additional logic and making the circuit board would be the hardest part. From that perspective, the price is laughable. On the other side it's a rare old machine. I would not hope to find 1000 of them in working condition on the entire planet. But are there really enough people around who are interested enough to pay such a price?
"I have what could be described as the most wide-open sense of humor on the site, and if I don't think something is funny, then it really isn't." - JSOC, 2011 -----
"Friar Modest never was a prior" - Italian proverbI still have my 1985 Macintosh 128k M0001P in working conditions including mouse keyboard and printer. No idea on its current value, but its not on sale anyway.
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I still have my first computer, a Netronics Elf II from 1978. It was a kit and I had to scrape together my allowance to get parts and components. I did what I could, but I never got all the neat expansions and had to content with 4k RAM and great black and white graphics at a resolution of 64 x 32 pixels or 64 x 64 pixels. Now I came across someone who wants to sell his old computer. Unlike mine it has practically everything the manufacturer had to offer, including several 4k and 16k memory expansion boards. The four 4k cards cost about 110$ each back then. I know. At least I have one of them. And the two 16k cards were extremely expensive. I would be crazy enough to buy it, but it's only sold completely and the seller wants at least 6000$ for it. That price probably would be equivalent to what the entire computer cost back in 1978. I suppose, I will pass on that offer, but what is the right price? The technology is more than obsolete. I could easily get a 64k RAM chip for a few dollars. It would need little additional logic and making the circuit board would be the hardest part. From that perspective, the price is laughable. On the other side it's a rare old machine. I would not hope to find 1000 of them in working condition on the entire planet. But are there really enough people around who are interested enough to pay such a price?
"I have what could be described as the most wide-open sense of humor on the site, and if I don't think something is funny, then it really isn't." - JSOC, 2011 -----
"Friar Modest never was a prior" - Italian proverbNow you've got me wondering if my old TRS-80 Model 100 Portable is worth dragging out of the closet.
Everybody SHUT UP until I finish my coffee...
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I still have my first computer, a Netronics Elf II from 1978. It was a kit and I had to scrape together my allowance to get parts and components. I did what I could, but I never got all the neat expansions and had to content with 4k RAM and great black and white graphics at a resolution of 64 x 32 pixels or 64 x 64 pixels. Now I came across someone who wants to sell his old computer. Unlike mine it has practically everything the manufacturer had to offer, including several 4k and 16k memory expansion boards. The four 4k cards cost about 110$ each back then. I know. At least I have one of them. And the two 16k cards were extremely expensive. I would be crazy enough to buy it, but it's only sold completely and the seller wants at least 6000$ for it. That price probably would be equivalent to what the entire computer cost back in 1978. I suppose, I will pass on that offer, but what is the right price? The technology is more than obsolete. I could easily get a 64k RAM chip for a few dollars. It would need little additional logic and making the circuit board would be the hardest part. From that perspective, the price is laughable. On the other side it's a rare old machine. I would not hope to find 1000 of them in working condition on the entire planet. But are there really enough people around who are interested enough to pay such a price?
"I have what could be described as the most wide-open sense of humor on the site, and if I don't think something is funny, then it really isn't." - JSOC, 2011 -----
"Friar Modest never was a prior" - Italian proverbCDP1802 wrote:
I would not hope to find 1000 of them in working condition on the entire planet. But are there really enough people around who are interested enough to pay such a price?
In short: no. $6000 can be translated as "I don't really want to sell it, but give me enough money to solve some of my financial problems and I'll part with it." Rare items have value when they're sought after by significant numbers of people. I wouldn't expect to find too many takers for such a device at the $100 price level, let alone $6000. Its day has passed, and unless you find someone who built his back in the 70s only to have it destroyed in a fire, you're very, very unlikely to find a market for one. I suspect most computers of that vintage follow the same trajectory my C-64 did: I couldn't part with it, so it spent the last 15 years I owned it in a box in my basement (stacked on top of the VIC-20). :laugh: Finally I needed to purge old crap (to make room for new crap! ;P) and they both went to a Freecycler. If you're attached to this thing and have the time and money to invest, by all means upgrade it. If money is not a problem, offer this guy $500 for his (he'll probably take it). If you can't see yourself doing either of the above, sell yours as spare parts to the guy who wants $6k for his, and move on with life. Personally, I'd find a different hobby. --Geoff
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CDP1802 wrote:
I would not hope to find 1000 of them in working condition on the entire planet. But are there really enough people around who are interested enough to pay such a price?
In short: no. $6000 can be translated as "I don't really want to sell it, but give me enough money to solve some of my financial problems and I'll part with it." Rare items have value when they're sought after by significant numbers of people. I wouldn't expect to find too many takers for such a device at the $100 price level, let alone $6000. Its day has passed, and unless you find someone who built his back in the 70s only to have it destroyed in a fire, you're very, very unlikely to find a market for one. I suspect most computers of that vintage follow the same trajectory my C-64 did: I couldn't part with it, so it spent the last 15 years I owned it in a box in my basement (stacked on top of the VIC-20). :laugh: Finally I needed to purge old crap (to make room for new crap! ;P) and they both went to a Freecycler. If you're attached to this thing and have the time and money to invest, by all means upgrade it. If money is not a problem, offer this guy $500 for his (he'll probably take it). If you can't see yourself doing either of the above, sell yours as spare parts to the guy who wants $6k for his, and move on with life. Personally, I'd find a different hobby. --Geoff
I would not sell it, not even for 6000$. And I have contact with a few users who also have the same or a similar old computer. When someone has a totally wrecked expansion, I'm tempted to save it from the trash bin and get it working again. I have my sources for ancient parts at an affordable price, so that will cost about as much as lunch in a restaurant. But you are probably mistaken what the buyers are concerned. I saw two auctions at Ebay a few years ago. One was more or less the same as mine and the other one was barely more than the CPU board. Both went away for about 1500$. Unfortunately this seller now has also seen those auctions and hopes to get away just as well. I doubt he will get 6000$, but his computer is the most complete I ever saw. Who knows?
"I have what could be described as the most wide-open sense of humor on the site, and if I don't think something is funny, then it really isn't." - JSOC, 2011 -----
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It is what kept you up at night drove you crazy when you had to modify something you coded six months before. FTFY
JimmyRopes wrote:
code like the person that is going to maintain your code is a psycopath who knows where you live.
He is and he does. :)
If you keep doing what you been doing you'll keep getting what you been getting http://www.hq4thmarinescomm.com[^] [My Site]
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I still have my first computer, a Netronics Elf II from 1978. It was a kit and I had to scrape together my allowance to get parts and components. I did what I could, but I never got all the neat expansions and had to content with 4k RAM and great black and white graphics at a resolution of 64 x 32 pixels or 64 x 64 pixels. Now I came across someone who wants to sell his old computer. Unlike mine it has practically everything the manufacturer had to offer, including several 4k and 16k memory expansion boards. The four 4k cards cost about 110$ each back then. I know. At least I have one of them. And the two 16k cards were extremely expensive. I would be crazy enough to buy it, but it's only sold completely and the seller wants at least 6000$ for it. That price probably would be equivalent to what the entire computer cost back in 1978. I suppose, I will pass on that offer, but what is the right price? The technology is more than obsolete. I could easily get a 64k RAM chip for a few dollars. It would need little additional logic and making the circuit board would be the hardest part. From that perspective, the price is laughable. On the other side it's a rare old machine. I would not hope to find 1000 of them in working condition on the entire planet. But are there really enough people around who are interested enough to pay such a price?
"I have what could be described as the most wide-open sense of humor on the site, and if I don't think something is funny, then it really isn't." - JSOC, 2011 -----
"Friar Modest never was a prior" - Italian proverbCosmic Elf! Yes! I have one with everything! And, expansions, etc. Have to dig it out and set it back up now. LOL I had it playing "The Entertainer" one day at work. (Boredom) Also, have a pile of AppleIIe's, C's, Plus's, Even one Imsai 8080, with the Wargames front panel. Cool days back then. Yes on the drinks, Marq's...
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I still have my first computer, a Netronics Elf II from 1978. It was a kit and I had to scrape together my allowance to get parts and components. I did what I could, but I never got all the neat expansions and had to content with 4k RAM and great black and white graphics at a resolution of 64 x 32 pixels or 64 x 64 pixels. Now I came across someone who wants to sell his old computer. Unlike mine it has practically everything the manufacturer had to offer, including several 4k and 16k memory expansion boards. The four 4k cards cost about 110$ each back then. I know. At least I have one of them. And the two 16k cards were extremely expensive. I would be crazy enough to buy it, but it's only sold completely and the seller wants at least 6000$ for it. That price probably would be equivalent to what the entire computer cost back in 1978. I suppose, I will pass on that offer, but what is the right price? The technology is more than obsolete. I could easily get a 64k RAM chip for a few dollars. It would need little additional logic and making the circuit board would be the hardest part. From that perspective, the price is laughable. On the other side it's a rare old machine. I would not hope to find 1000 of them in working condition on the entire planet. But are there really enough people around who are interested enough to pay such a price?
"I have what could be described as the most wide-open sense of humor on the site, and if I don't think something is funny, then it really isn't." - JSOC, 2011 -----
"Friar Modest never was a prior" - Italian proverbI've just sold an old Commadore Amiga 500 on eBay, and 'upgraded' to a Commodore Amiga A1200; with PCMCIA slot and a whopping 64Mbyte (yes megabyte) hard disk. Back to the heady days of Workbench 3.1. Now if only I could get it to load a CD I could upgrade even further to Workbench 3.9 and really enjoy some pre-emtive multitasking. :cool:
I'm too lazy to Google it for you.
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Anybody aware of an operational or non-operational ECIL/TDC-316 anywhere? I was in the system software development team for that model during late 1970's.
Not a clue? Seems to be Indian specific and even when I googled it there wasn't a lot available. Good luck.
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Cosmic Elf! Yes! I have one with everything! And, expansions, etc. Have to dig it out and set it back up now. LOL I had it playing "The Entertainer" one day at work. (Boredom) Also, have a pile of AppleIIe's, C's, Plus's, Even one Imsai 8080, with the Wargames front panel. Cool days back then. Yes on the drinks, Marq's...
COSMAC, not cosmic :) That was the name RCA used for CMOS.
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:laugh: :laugh: I wasn't going to tell anyone. :) I communicated with a guy that used to work on my team back then and he said the thing that impressed him about me was that I had the instruction set memorized.
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Yeah, I used to have the 6800 (yeah, just two zeros) instruction set memorized, and used this knowledge for programming in hex. Not really all that hard a skill to acquire when you're doing it every day. Still, mem were men in those days.
It was pretty easy back then and like you say if you used them every day as we did it didn't take long.
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