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  • C Chris C B

    Well, I know nothing about decks on houses, but a fair bit about decks on boats, where non-slip decks are more than a little important. Unfortunately, anything for a yacht is automatically expensive, but marine products do tend to both work and last. Check out this[^] for the best approach, or these[^] for a paint solution. I have sailed boats with both types, and the rubber mat type is excellent in all weather, whereas the paint solution is very good, but somewhat dependant on the shoes you are wearing. Both are resistant to UV and high temperatures. They can also cope with a certain amount of flexing of the substrate, as a yacht in heavy weather flexes significantly.

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    Looks very promising and would be designed to cope with wide temperature variations.

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    • R Roger Wright

      About a hundred years ago, when I lived in a place with nice weather and four seasons, I had a large deck that was somewhat hazardous to walk on in leather-soled shoes during the winter. A solution I found was a product called Uretex, an elastomeric urethane coating that would adhere to anything, could be bent around a 1/8" mandrel at 0°C without cracking, and capable of spanning a 1/2" crack without showing a depression. It would even crawl up the wall to complete the seal against the house. Quite amazing stuff, really, but no longer in existence. I did the deck in three coats, embedding sand in the second coat and finishing with a light cover for appearance, and it worked like a charm. I even had other people using it after seeing my deck, to refinish commercial boat docks in Lake Arrowhead, a couple miles up the road. Now I need a similar product and thought I'd inquire here amongst the geniuses. My lady lives with her Mum, an elderly and somewhat befuddled woman who has trouble walking, let alone remembering where she was going. She accesses the outside world via a plywood ramp inclined from deck to dirt, a path about 4' wide by 16' long. The problem is that the plywood, given the tiniest bit of frost, tends to become slicker than snot. And the ramp acquires this thin coating of ice, perversely, almost every evening and morning of the winter, despite the blazing heat of the rest of the year. In short, I need a slip-resistant coating for the ramp that is effective for small amounts of ice in winter, resistance to high heat and UV exposure the rest of the year, and doesn't require winning the lottery to pay for. Concrete pool coatings abound, but they won't last when applied to a flexible surface like plywood; they chip and flake off quickly. I've looked into slip reducing tapes, but I know from experience that they don't stick well and don't last long. They also cost a bunch - $6 for a 6" x 24" strip. I've inquired at a few companies that carry promising products, the best of which seems to be Epoxy.com, but haven't heard back yet. So I thought I'd turn the problem over to the best problem solvers I know and see what solutions they come up with. My target price is $200 or so; they can't afford that, but I plan to subsidize the project. I's appreciate any ideas, or better solutions you can come up with. Thanks for any ideas, as always... :-D

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      Maximilien
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      Here, I've seen more "mechanical" solution to that problem. - bolt on textured rubber pads. - hemp (or something like that) external carpet. on ramps, I've seen steel grids and/or textured concrete.

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      • R Roger Wright

        Thanks, Mike. Yeah, that's the type of product I'm looking for, but the ones designed for concrete probably won't work; they rely on a rigid substrate to maintain their integrity, and will usually crack when subjected to flexure stresses.

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        That was my thinking also. Al lot of it will depend on how well build the ramp is, i.e. how sturdy. The more rigid it is the less problems you'll have. Anything you put on there will crack over time your main goal is to make it last as long as possible. Good luck

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        • R Roger Wright

          About a hundred years ago, when I lived in a place with nice weather and four seasons, I had a large deck that was somewhat hazardous to walk on in leather-soled shoes during the winter. A solution I found was a product called Uretex, an elastomeric urethane coating that would adhere to anything, could be bent around a 1/8" mandrel at 0°C without cracking, and capable of spanning a 1/2" crack without showing a depression. It would even crawl up the wall to complete the seal against the house. Quite amazing stuff, really, but no longer in existence. I did the deck in three coats, embedding sand in the second coat and finishing with a light cover for appearance, and it worked like a charm. I even had other people using it after seeing my deck, to refinish commercial boat docks in Lake Arrowhead, a couple miles up the road. Now I need a similar product and thought I'd inquire here amongst the geniuses. My lady lives with her Mum, an elderly and somewhat befuddled woman who has trouble walking, let alone remembering where she was going. She accesses the outside world via a plywood ramp inclined from deck to dirt, a path about 4' wide by 16' long. The problem is that the plywood, given the tiniest bit of frost, tends to become slicker than snot. And the ramp acquires this thin coating of ice, perversely, almost every evening and morning of the winter, despite the blazing heat of the rest of the year. In short, I need a slip-resistant coating for the ramp that is effective for small amounts of ice in winter, resistance to high heat and UV exposure the rest of the year, and doesn't require winning the lottery to pay for. Concrete pool coatings abound, but they won't last when applied to a flexible surface like plywood; they chip and flake off quickly. I've looked into slip reducing tapes, but I know from experience that they don't stick well and don't last long. They also cost a bunch - $6 for a 6" x 24" strip. I've inquired at a few companies that carry promising products, the best of which seems to be Epoxy.com, but haven't heard back yet. So I thought I'd turn the problem over to the best problem solvers I know and see what solutions they come up with. My target price is $200 or so; they can't afford that, but I plan to subsidize the project. I's appreciate any ideas, or better solutions you can come up with. Thanks for any ideas, as always... :-D

          Will Rogers never met me.

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          Dan Neely
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          What's wrong with ordinary exterior paint mixed with sand?

          3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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          • R Roger Wright

            About a hundred years ago, when I lived in a place with nice weather and four seasons, I had a large deck that was somewhat hazardous to walk on in leather-soled shoes during the winter. A solution I found was a product called Uretex, an elastomeric urethane coating that would adhere to anything, could be bent around a 1/8" mandrel at 0°C without cracking, and capable of spanning a 1/2" crack without showing a depression. It would even crawl up the wall to complete the seal against the house. Quite amazing stuff, really, but no longer in existence. I did the deck in three coats, embedding sand in the second coat and finishing with a light cover for appearance, and it worked like a charm. I even had other people using it after seeing my deck, to refinish commercial boat docks in Lake Arrowhead, a couple miles up the road. Now I need a similar product and thought I'd inquire here amongst the geniuses. My lady lives with her Mum, an elderly and somewhat befuddled woman who has trouble walking, let alone remembering where she was going. She accesses the outside world via a plywood ramp inclined from deck to dirt, a path about 4' wide by 16' long. The problem is that the plywood, given the tiniest bit of frost, tends to become slicker than snot. And the ramp acquires this thin coating of ice, perversely, almost every evening and morning of the winter, despite the blazing heat of the rest of the year. In short, I need a slip-resistant coating for the ramp that is effective for small amounts of ice in winter, resistance to high heat and UV exposure the rest of the year, and doesn't require winning the lottery to pay for. Concrete pool coatings abound, but they won't last when applied to a flexible surface like plywood; they chip and flake off quickly. I've looked into slip reducing tapes, but I know from experience that they don't stick well and don't last long. They also cost a bunch - $6 for a 6" x 24" strip. I've inquired at a few companies that carry promising products, the best of which seems to be Epoxy.com, but haven't heard back yet. So I thought I'd turn the problem over to the best problem solvers I know and see what solutions they come up with. My target price is $200 or so; they can't afford that, but I plan to subsidize the project. I's appreciate any ideas, or better solutions you can come up with. Thanks for any ideas, as always... :-D

            Will Rogers never met me.

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            Chris Meech
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            This is an oddball idea, but check out a local skate board store. Most will sell some kind of adhesive backed non-slip tape and usually you can get it in a variety of widths. I've used this for stairs and ramps, some of which are submerged for a couple of months a year and it works great. The reason for the skate board store is because I found that I could buy the tape for $5 to $10 a roll instead of the $40 to $50 at a hardware store or medical supply store. :)

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            • C Chris Meech

              This is an oddball idea, but check out a local skate board store. Most will sell some kind of adhesive backed non-slip tape and usually you can get it in a variety of widths. I've used this for stairs and ramps, some of which are submerged for a couple of months a year and it works great. The reason for the skate board store is because I found that I could buy the tape for $5 to $10 a roll instead of the $40 to $50 at a hardware store or medical supply store. :)

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              Roger Wright
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              That's an excellent idea, and at that price we can afford to replace it as it wears out or falls off. :-D

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              • D Dan Neely

                What's wrong with ordinary exterior paint mixed with sand?

                3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                Roger Wright
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                Normal paints aren't durable enough to survive foot traffic. Garage floor paint might work, though.

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                • C Chris C B

                  Well, I know nothing about decks on houses, but a fair bit about decks on boats, where non-slip decks are more than a little important. Unfortunately, anything for a yacht is automatically expensive, but marine products do tend to both work and last. Check out this[^] for the best approach, or these[^] for a paint solution. I have sailed boats with both types, and the rubber mat type is excellent in all weather, whereas the paint solution is very good, but somewhat dependant on the shoes you are wearing. Both are resistant to UV and high temperatures. They can also cope with a certain amount of flexing of the substrate, as a yacht in heavy weather flexes significantly.

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                  Roger Wright
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                  Both look great, and both are offered only in the UK. :((

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                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                    It's somewhat hard for me to change my picture of you to a hippie, but who knows... Back to the topic: I know it's a bit hard in Arizona, but have you checked for the non-slip paint[^] they use in the boat industry?

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                    Roger Wright
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                    Yes, I've looked, but in the US, boaters are considered rich people, and the price gouging is enormous. Paint that should sell for $20 is more likely to sell for $50 if it has "boat" on the label.

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                      FG is not very wear resistant without the epoxy coating. I would say no no to that idea. Over here PVA glue is basic Wood Glue which drys clear, Polyvinyl_acetate[^], has multiple uses, not just carpentry. You have it over there as well, I have seen Bob and Norm using it! :laugh:

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                      Roger Wright
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                      Ah, polyvinyl acetate I have seen, at Ace hardware. They call it Professional Grade, which means it's the cheapest paint in their lineup. Only contractors are willing to buy it and pass it off as good paint to their customers. :-D It is durable, though, and might make a good binder for sand. I'll check it out.

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                      • R Roger Wright

                        Yes, I've looked, but in the US, boaters are considered rich people, and the price gouging is enormous. Paint that should sell for $20 is more likely to sell for $50 if it has "boat" on the label.

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                        Jorgen Andersson
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                        Roger Wright wrote:

                        but in the US, boaters are considered rich people, and the price gouging is enormous

                        I think that's universal then. It seems that anything with car in the name is twice the price and with boat in the name is three times the price. So if you go for twice the price instead of three times there is always truck bedliner[^]. Also useful for helipads and garagefloors.

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