On English and programming.
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There was an article linked to in the CP news that said that you don't have to know English to be a good programmer. I'm Dutch, and I know from experience that that can not be true. Sure, you can program without knowing English (English keyword? you don't have to know what they mean anyway, you just have to know what they do), but you can not learn to program without knowing English. Nearly all literature is in English. The rest is usually badly translated - from English. Discussion forums are generally in English. Usenet is in English - except for the few localized NG's (which aren't used anyway). Wikipedia is in English - they claim not to be, but the best article is almost always the English one (except for very national topics). And if that wasn't enough, if you're getting your Master's degree, the classes are in English. Also, every job description I've ever seen (for jobs in the Netherlands), good English communication skills are required. If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
Have you read the MSDN lately? English certainly wasn't a starting point. I'm not sure that there's such a language as Muddled Thinking, but there certainly should be.
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There was an article linked to in the CP news that said that you don't have to know English to be a good programmer. I'm Dutch, and I know from experience that that can not be true. Sure, you can program without knowing English (English keyword? you don't have to know what they mean anyway, you just have to know what they do), but you can not learn to program without knowing English. Nearly all literature is in English. The rest is usually badly translated - from English. Discussion forums are generally in English. Usenet is in English - except for the few localized NG's (which aren't used anyway). Wikipedia is in English - they claim not to be, but the best article is almost always the English one (except for very national topics). And if that wasn't enough, if you're getting your Master's degree, the classes are in English. Also, every job description I've ever seen (for jobs in the Netherlands), good English communication skills are required. If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
English is the world's language. Science, Engineering, Communications, Aerospace, Business etc. It is the only language that all countries teach, and there are good reasons, so what is the problem?
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Have you read the MSDN lately? English certainly wasn't a starting point. I'm not sure that there's such a language as Muddled Thinking, but there certainly should be.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
It is american is it not?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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There was an article linked to in the CP news that said that you don't have to know English to be a good programmer. I'm Dutch, and I know from experience that that can not be true. Sure, you can program without knowing English (English keyword? you don't have to know what they mean anyway, you just have to know what they do), but you can not learn to program without knowing English. Nearly all literature is in English. The rest is usually badly translated - from English. Discussion forums are generally in English. Usenet is in English - except for the few localized NG's (which aren't used anyway). Wikipedia is in English - they claim not to be, but the best article is almost always the English one (except for very national topics). And if that wasn't enough, if you're getting your Master's degree, the classes are in English. Also, every job description I've ever seen (for jobs in the Netherlands), good English communication skills are required. If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
Which is why English will become the first choice language for the world. (Cos I'm blatted if I can be asked to learn a forine langwidge). :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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There was an article linked to in the CP news that said that you don't have to know English to be a good programmer. I'm Dutch, and I know from experience that that can not be true. Sure, you can program without knowing English (English keyword? you don't have to know what they mean anyway, you just have to know what they do), but you can not learn to program without knowing English. Nearly all literature is in English. The rest is usually badly translated - from English. Discussion forums are generally in English. Usenet is in English - except for the few localized NG's (which aren't used anyway). Wikipedia is in English - they claim not to be, but the best article is almost always the English one (except for very national topics). And if that wasn't enough, if you're getting your Master's degree, the classes are in English. Also, every job description I've ever seen (for jobs in the Netherlands), good English communication skills are required. If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
David1987 wrote:
If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
:laugh:
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I agree. :thumbsup:
David1987 wrote:
If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
However, I don't agree with this statement...maybe you were trying to be funny.
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There was an article linked to in the CP news that said that you don't have to know English to be a good programmer. I'm Dutch, and I know from experience that that can not be true. Sure, you can program without knowing English (English keyword? you don't have to know what they mean anyway, you just have to know what they do), but you can not learn to program without knowing English. Nearly all literature is in English. The rest is usually badly translated - from English. Discussion forums are generally in English. Usenet is in English - except for the few localized NG's (which aren't used anyway). Wikipedia is in English - they claim not to be, but the best article is almost always the English one (except for very national topics). And if that wasn't enough, if you're getting your Master's degree, the classes are in English. Also, every job description I've ever seen (for jobs in the Netherlands), good English communication skills are required. If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
In 1992 I worked in Noord Holland picking tulip bulbs, picking gladioli and working as a pipe fitters assistant. English wasn't a prerequisite for any of those jobs.
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David1987 wrote:
If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
Nah, that's not true, you can also serve me burgers or stamp my ticket in the subway...
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects - Will Rogers, 1924Johnny J. wrote:
stamp my ticket in the subway
We have automats for that.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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English is the world's language. Science, Engineering, Communications, Aerospace, Business etc. It is the only language that all countries teach, and there are good reasons, so what is the problem?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
Science, Engineering, Communications, Aerospace, Business
...internet porn.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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There was an article linked to in the CP news that said that you don't have to know English to be a good programmer. I'm Dutch, and I know from experience that that can not be true. Sure, you can program without knowing English (English keyword? you don't have to know what they mean anyway, you just have to know what they do), but you can not learn to program without knowing English. Nearly all literature is in English. The rest is usually badly translated - from English. Discussion forums are generally in English. Usenet is in English - except for the few localized NG's (which aren't used anyway). Wikipedia is in English - they claim not to be, but the best article is almost always the English one (except for very national topics). And if that wasn't enough, if you're getting your Master's degree, the classes are in English. Also, every job description I've ever seen (for jobs in the Netherlands), good English communication skills are required. If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
Don't worry, another 10 years and everybody would be speaking Chinese (Mandarin /Cantonese bleh) :rolleyes:
I are n00b.
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Johnny J. wrote:
stamp my ticket in the subway
We have automats for that.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
We don't! Can you believe that a reasonably developed European country still has people sitting in little cages stamping train tickets manually? And the busdrivers also stamp manually - it's ludicrous... :thumbsdown:
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects - Will Rogers, 1924modified on Wednesday, March 9, 2011 11:28 AM
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In 1992 I worked in Noord Holland picking tulip bulbs, picking gladioli and working as a pipe fitters assistant. English wasn't a prerequisite for any of those jobs.
RugbyLeague wrote:
pipe fitters
They have those in Amsterdams red light district too! :cool:
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects - Will Rogers, 1924 -
David1987 wrote:
If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
Nah, that's not true, you can also serve me burgers or stamp my ticket in the subway...
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects - Will Rogers, 1924 -
Johnny J. wrote:
David1987 wrote:
If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
Nah, that's not true, you can also serve me burgers or stamp my ticket in the subway...
Don't forget phone support.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
No no - for phone support it's not a requirement that you don't know English - it's a requirement that you don't know computers (or mobile phones or broadband or whatever) :doh:
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects - Will Rogers, 1924 -
No no - for phone support it's not a requirement that you don't know English - it's a requirement that you don't know computers (or mobile phones or broadband or whatever) :doh:
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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There was an article linked to in the CP news that said that you don't have to know English to be a good programmer. I'm Dutch, and I know from experience that that can not be true. Sure, you can program without knowing English (English keyword? you don't have to know what they mean anyway, you just have to know what they do), but you can not learn to program without knowing English. Nearly all literature is in English. The rest is usually badly translated - from English. Discussion forums are generally in English. Usenet is in English - except for the few localized NG's (which aren't used anyway). Wikipedia is in English - they claim not to be, but the best article is almost always the English one (except for very national topics). And if that wasn't enough, if you're getting your Master's degree, the classes are in English. Also, every job description I've ever seen (for jobs in the Netherlands), good English communication skills are required. If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
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Which is why English will become the first choice language for the world. (Cos I'm blatted if I can be asked to learn a forine langwidge). :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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David1987 wrote:
If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
My question becomes, is there a problem with a 'trade language'? English seems to be the de-facto trade language... the universal constant. It certainly may not be the best choice, but I've read that in some cases, even Chinese or Indian groups will speak to their countrymen in English due to dialect/regional language differences. Perhaps in most cases that is isolation- I wouldn't expect an Iowa farmer to speak French any more than I would a French farmer to speak Iowa'n. (Okay that wasn't funny, just smile anyway.) I'm biased because I happened to have English as a first language, but I'd like to think if all else was equal but Spanish was the trade language, I'd learn it. Last note- I'll never get if the 'jokes' about American mono-languageism (which actually seems to be a trait of all primary English speaking countries...) is a joke or a serious jibe. Why bother learning another language and which one would YOU learn? It's unrealistic to pick up a language for a vacation... although if I planned to spend some time there I'd pick up the local language as best I could.
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Which is why English will become the first choice language for the world. (Cos I'm blatted if I can be asked to learn a forine langwidge). :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
I think I read somewhere that there are more English speakers in China than there is England. :~
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There was an article linked to in the CP news that said that you don't have to know English to be a good programmer. I'm Dutch, and I know from experience that that can not be true. Sure, you can program without knowing English (English keyword? you don't have to know what they mean anyway, you just have to know what they do), but you can not learn to program without knowing English. Nearly all literature is in English. The rest is usually badly translated - from English. Discussion forums are generally in English. Usenet is in English - except for the few localized NG's (which aren't used anyway). Wikipedia is in English - they claim not to be, but the best article is almost always the English one (except for very national topics). And if that wasn't enough, if you're getting your Master's degree, the classes are in English. Also, every job description I've ever seen (for jobs in the Netherlands), good English communication skills are required. If you don't know English, you can bag my groceries.
David1987 wrote:
you don't have to know English to be a good programmer
Depends on what "know English" means. Most programmers in non-english speaking countries do not necessarily have good spoken and written English skills, such as in Japan, China, etc. Since programming languages are closely related to English plus that the programmers are educated, they do know some English.
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