Stupid web installers
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Why don't Microsoft seem to offer proper downloads any more. I'm fed up with these stupid web installers that are just 2-3mb and then download several hundred while the installer is running. It wastes stacks of bandwidth when I'm installing on multiple PCs, and also the installer makes me quit VS while it's doing the download, so I can't even get any work done while I'm just waiting for the download. Please MS, we're developers, we can cope with downloading and installing dependencies separately, I don't care if it's doing selective download of only the bits I need, it's wasting my time.
Simon
46 Simon, BTW, got the email last night, (I have been away from home so hadn't bothered to log on). I will read in depth, think, and then reply over the week end.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Why don't Microsoft seem to offer proper downloads any more. I'm fed up with these stupid web installers that are just 2-3mb and then download several hundred while the installer is running. It wastes stacks of bandwidth when I'm installing on multiple PCs, and also the installer makes me quit VS while it's doing the download, so I can't even get any work done while I'm just waiting for the download. Please MS, we're developers, we can cope with downloading and installing dependencies separately, I don't care if it's doing selective download of only the bits I need, it's wasting my time.
Simon
On MSDN most of the installs can be downloaded either as a webinstaller or a full CD/DVD image. What installation do you have a problem with. I normally prefer to download the full version once and for all - for the reason you mention: To minimize bandwidth on mulit-pc installations.
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Why don't Microsoft seem to offer proper downloads any more. I'm fed up with these stupid web installers that are just 2-3mb and then download several hundred while the installer is running. It wastes stacks of bandwidth when I'm installing on multiple PCs, and also the installer makes me quit VS while it's doing the download, so I can't even get any work done while I'm just waiting for the download. Please MS, we're developers, we can cope with downloading and installing dependencies separately, I don't care if it's doing selective download of only the bits I need, it's wasting my time.
Simon
Hear hear. Completely agree.
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Why don't Microsoft seem to offer proper downloads any more. I'm fed up with these stupid web installers that are just 2-3mb and then download several hundred while the installer is running. It wastes stacks of bandwidth when I'm installing on multiple PCs, and also the installer makes me quit VS while it's doing the download, so I can't even get any work done while I'm just waiting for the download. Please MS, we're developers, we can cope with downloading and installing dependencies separately, I don't care if it's doing selective download of only the bits I need, it's wasting my time.
Simon
39 When Windows Installer goes wrong and you have to spend half an hour of your life redownloading, re-installing and then off to the registry to re-apply the links that you want to hurl the damn thing out of a window!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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46 Simon, BTW, got the email last night, (I have been away from home so hadn't bothered to log on). I will read in depth, think, and then reply over the week end.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
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Huh?
Dalek Dave wrote:
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No hurry. Thoughtful is better that rushed at the moment. (And sorry if I'm asking the wrong person questions here. Perhaps what I really need is a business advisor/mentor. Don't feel like you have to help if you don't know or aren't interested)
Simon
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Dalek Dave wrote:
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Huh?
Dalek Dave wrote:
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No hurry. Thoughtful is better that rushed at the moment. (And sorry if I'm asking the wrong person questions here. Perhaps what I really need is a business advisor/mentor. Don't feel like you have to help if you don't know or aren't interested)
Simon
36 (I will let you know shortly) If I don't know, I will say "I don't know" rather than bullshit you. I can only offer help wherein I know whereof I speak, but if it got to a point where I think you need more 'specific' advice than the generalisations I offer, I will advise such a thing.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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39 When Windows Installer goes wrong and you have to spend half an hour of your life redownloading, re-installing and then off to the registry to re-apply the links that you want to hurl the damn thing out of a window!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
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Ahh, I get it now. You're counting down to some milestone post/rep count.
Simon
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Dalek Dave wrote:
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Ahh, I get it now. You're counting down to some milestone post/rep count.
Simon
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On MSDN most of the installs can be downloaded either as a webinstaller or a full CD/DVD image. What installation do you have a problem with. I normally prefer to download the full version once and for all - for the reason you mention: To minimize bandwidth on mulit-pc installations.
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects - Will Rogers, 1924It's the whole WP7/XNA pack. I do have an MSDN sub, but I couldn't find it. I also don't get why they've bundled the WP7 tools with XNA and VS express. I'd rather just have 3 separate and full downloads.
Simon
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Dalek Dave wrote:
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22 645 Hmm I'm a bit behind I think ;P
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Why don't Microsoft seem to offer proper downloads any more. I'm fed up with these stupid web installers that are just 2-3mb and then download several hundred while the installer is running. It wastes stacks of bandwidth when I'm installing on multiple PCs, and also the installer makes me quit VS while it's doing the download, so I can't even get any work done while I'm just waiting for the download. Please MS, we're developers, we can cope with downloading and installing dependencies separately, I don't care if it's doing selective download of only the bits I need, it's wasting my time.
Simon
I find most MS downloads have a link to the ISO download hidden somewhere on the installer download page.
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Why don't Microsoft seem to offer proper downloads any more. I'm fed up with these stupid web installers that are just 2-3mb and then download several hundred while the installer is running. It wastes stacks of bandwidth when I'm installing on multiple PCs, and also the installer makes me quit VS while it's doing the download, so I can't even get any work done while I'm just waiting for the download. Please MS, we're developers, we can cope with downloading and installing dependencies separately, I don't care if it's doing selective download of only the bits I need, it's wasting my time.
Simon
For most things what you need to search for is a redistributable downloader. There are however two good reasons why the default installer works the way it does. 0) It allows selective downloading of files so you don't download anything you don't need (eg files you had updated via windows update; especially relevant for service packs). 1) Add/Remove programs works by caching the installers in the bowels of the windows directory. A 3MB downloader uses much less disk space than a 500MB redistributable installer.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18