Quaint and Arcane Terms
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BTDTGTTS! but with an Elliott 903. What about Friden Flexowriters and punch cards (KDF9), paper tape (mind those chads!) for playing moon lander on an ASR 33 Teletype (Elliott 903, later ICL1906A)), Handwritten coding sheets submitted for processing (ICL1903). Hex keypad (Nascom II) NEC Spinwriters (competitor to the IBM Golfball) on early Z80 machines for word processing (Exidy Sorcerer), Payroll systems in Algol60 (Sorcerer), 10Mb Winchester disks in something the size of a 2-drawer filing cabinet and costing £10000... 8in floppies holding 128Kbyte (256Kbyte if double sided!), 5 1/4 floppies (hard and soft sectored, single or double sided, Micropolis drives and format, Sirius/Victor floppies using variable speed drives to get more storage, Oh the list goes on forever! I feel honoured (and humbled, not to mention OLD) to have been involved right from the very beginning of the PC revolution, since before the IBM PC, and the mobile phone, or even the CD player. What was so great about it all, was that it was all genuinely new, and often really pushing the envelope of what was possible at the time. Whilst that still goes on unabated, the focus of that kind of progress is now in the areas that used to be covered by the large mainframes (like the CDC7600 at Manchester Uni), dramatic improvements in PC performance are now much harder to achieve, not least because each leap is swallowed up by the latest OS 'improvements' - try running windows 3.11 on modern hardware - goes so fast you often can't see the screen updates! (I'll get me coat...)
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
I loved GOSUB. I have been using computers now for over twenty years and have absolutely no idea (even after 'Googling') what an IPL actually is, but this may have something to do with the fact that my entire career has been spent (until the big Intel move of 2005 /06) on Motorola based machines. I frequently PEEKed, POKEd, LEEKed, LOKEd, DEEKed and DOKEd. Not seen these for years, but remember them with mixed feelings... Possibly even more annoying though was "Insert Disk B into Drive A" for single drive copy ops.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
How many people remember using GOSUB?
Yes. Remember it.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL?
No.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Did you ever POKE and PEEK?
No.
Dalek Dave wrote:
"Insert next disk into Drive A:"
Yes. Remember that too.
The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it.
- The code I work in every day still makes frequent use of GOSUB. There's even a few GOTOs lying around (which always annoy me when I see them) 2) A what? :) 3) PEEK & POKE - how else were we supposed to complete games on the old 8-bit home systems without POKEing in a cheat? :) 4) I think I installed Windows 95 from floppy disk once... I saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" a lot just doing that...
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
i peeked and poked gosubed and gotoed back in the early 80's on my z80 machine, luckaly I didn't basic much on my dos-machine as I discovered masm as a far better language. in those days however punching pascal programs on cards come to mind, and feeding an arm-full of those into a card-feeder. learning programming in pascal still reluctant to use goto in C# :laugh: :laugh: in pascal I used goto only once in a rubiks-cube solver, thus deep into a solving turn that I saw no other possibility :laugh: as I joke mostly "if then goto "the waste paper basket"", programming with goto's are incomprehensibly complex :wtf:
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I remember using 8" Floppies (much room for innuendo there, feel free), and also the joy when 1.2 meg 5.25" floppies were available.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Remember? VBA still supports GOSUB for some reason. To my horror, some Access VBA code over here actually still uses it - until I get a chance to refactor it.
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
My first minicomputer was a DEC PDP-8. A rack held 4K of 12 bit memory in cores. A teletype machine stood next to it. Programs were stored on punched tapes. Our program store was a box with rolled up paper tapes. Version control was automatic - just punch a new tape with the revised code.
Retired or retarded
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
How many people remember using GOSUB?
Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL?
Did you ever POKE and PEEK?
And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:"* Here!. And took it a step further with computed GOSUBs like 100 ON x GOSUB 250,400,300 * Old enough to have read about them in school but never had to do one. * Many times, odd thing I still remember key memory locations in hex (no less) for quite a few systems (TRS-80s, Tandy CoCo, C64, VIC 20, PET). Wish I had the same capacity for other trivial things like anniversary or birthday dates :^) * It has been a while since that prompt, my CoCo refers to the floppy drives as DRIVE x (Disk Basic) or /d_x_ (OS9 [^]) -- RP
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
How about the installation of Windows 2.x Insert disk 1 into drive a: Insert disk 2 into drive a: Insert disk 1 into drive a: Insert disk 3 into drive a: Insert disk 2 into drive a: Insert disk 1 into drive a: Insert disk 3 into drive a: Insert disk 5 into drive a: Insert disk 4 into drive a: If you has it on 5 1/4" disks it was 9 disks I think. :omg:
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dalek Dave wrote:
"Insert next disk into Drive A:"
I think I was only old enough to play games, so that's the only thing I remember remembering. And that was really annoying and frequent because of the 5(1/4) disk size.
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:) Or RUN, LOAD and SAVE, (Spectrum ZX). :) Remember hooking your cassete recorder up to the spectrum, inserting the tape, jugling finger presses, tweaking the tone and volume to get a better load...
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
How did you know my beard was gray? :((
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
I can remember limiting the number of GOSUBs because of available stack space.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
PEEK
Sure - back in school we did that all the time around the girls' locker rooms...
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects - Will Rogers, 1924Yes, but did you ever POKE?
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I remember using 8" Floppies (much room for innuendo there, feel free), and also the joy when 1.2 meg 5.25" floppies were available.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Did you ever fling an 8" as a weapon? Deadly...
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Dave, you are a font of wisdom, but sometimes it is best to forget the past and just move on. Otherwise someone will always pull the Hollerith card. And no one wants to see 7HFORTRAN.
ragnaroknrol: Yes, but comparing a rabid wolverine gnawing on your face while stabbing you with a fountain pen to Vista is likely to make the wolverine look good, so it isn't exactly that big of a compliment.
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I actually have no clue. You got me. Please elucidate.
ragnaroknrol: Yes, but comparing a rabid wolverine gnawing on your face while stabbing you with a fountain pen to Vista is likely to make the wolverine look good, so it isn't exactly that big of a compliment.
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Nothing can beat the thrill of successfully booting an old Digital Equipment PDP-8, a 12-bit computer with 4096 bytes of RAM. First, use the front panel switches to toggle in the binary code for the paper tape loader you wrote in assembler and translated to binary. Then run that loader to read a disk bootstrap loader that you programmed, hand assembled and manually punched to paper tape, from the paper tape reader. Finally run the disk bootstrap loader to get the vendor's operating system from disk. Now you can use the KSR-33 tele-type to interact with the OS. Programming continues to get easier, but you never forget the early days.
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I read an earlier post about GOTO statements. How many people remember using GOSUB? Are you old enough to remember having to do an IPL? Did you ever POKE and PEEK? And how long has it been since you saw "Insert next disk into Drive A:" Some of the parvenu will never has come across these, whilst the greybeards will look back fondly...(or possibly with contempt).
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Remember PEEK and POKE on my Sharp PC1211
