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was reading a book named "The Elements of Style". Now, it is becoming a habit kind of - proof-reading automatically when I read. Have to get over it. :-) My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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was reading a book named "The Elements of Style". Now, it is becoming a habit kind of - proof-reading automatically when I read. Have to get over it. :-) My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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I'm getting ready to send out the latest forums software this weekend to the people who've signed up for the informal beta (check out the collaboration forum here on CP if you want to sign up), but before I do I want to catch as many of the "whoops I didn't see that" bugs as I can. If you could spare a few minutes to have a butchers at http://www.battleaxesoftware.com/forums/ (opens in new window) and sign up if you haven't already (though you don't need to), then post and abuse to scripts as much as possible. As this is CodeProject I'd better add if you want to type anything offensive please do so in the swearing forum or it will be removed. * I know starting threads, posting replies, etc, works, so I am more interested in finding problems with the features: use your imagination. * Yes I am aware of the irony of asking you not to post in the wrong forums when I myself have posted this in the Lounge, but I can plead ignorance. :-O Thanks guys, I knew I could count on your curiosity to help me out. :)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Who's that peepin' through my window?
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Lol, yeah. The idea is that people are too busy going "arrrr" to worry about the forums being down. :rolleyes: All sorted now - I needed to make a change to the version number[^]. :-O
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Who's that peepin' through my window?
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I'm getting ready to send out the latest forums software this weekend to the people who've signed up for the informal beta (check out the collaboration forum here on CP if you want to sign up), but before I do I want to catch as many of the "whoops I didn't see that" bugs as I can. If you could spare a few minutes to have a butchers at http://www.battleaxesoftware.com/forums/ (opens in new window) and sign up if you haven't already (though you don't need to), then post and abuse to scripts as much as possible. As this is CodeProject I'd better add if you want to type anything offensive please do so in the swearing forum or it will be removed. * I know starting threads, posting replies, etc, works, so I am more interested in finding problems with the features: use your imagination. * Yes I am aware of the irony of asking you not to post in the wrong forums when I myself have posted this in the Lounge, but I can plead ignorance. :-O Thanks guys, I knew I could count on your curiosity to help me out. :)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Who's that peepin' through my window?
Very nice looking. I did find some things you may want to look into: The Home, Register, FAQ, and Login links at the top of the page are unaligned. Aesthetic effect. The message preview interprets html code but the actual message posted disregards html code. I know you are using bbcodes. I was testing :). Also, considering this, it might be unneccessary to include buttons for “<” and “>” on the message composition page. The message preview interprets “<” and “>” as actual angle bracket characters. E.g. “<bold>” results in “bold”. The actual message post interprets it correctly. After you post a message you return to the message tree. When you click on another message (in dynamic view) the message shows but the page reloads, with all messages closed (message body not visible). This happens only once after each post (but it happens after each post). It happens even if you wait a few minutes before clicking a message. I looked at Jon’s tests. It looks like capital letters are not allowed in the bbcodes. This may be intentional. The depth of the post heirarchy decides the minimum width of the message tree. If the depth gets very deep (like it does here as CP) it will require the users to scroll right regardless of their browser’s window size. This may be intentional. After posting a reply you return to the first page of posts (most recent post) regardless of where the message you are replying to is or your reply post is located. I could not continue my tests. It now says the forums are undergoing routine maintainence. All of my tests were done using IE6 and using dynamic view. Please do not read this as rude or demeaning, I was only testing the site. :)
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Very nice looking. I did find some things you may want to look into: The Home, Register, FAQ, and Login links at the top of the page are unaligned. Aesthetic effect. The message preview interprets html code but the actual message posted disregards html code. I know you are using bbcodes. I was testing :). Also, considering this, it might be unneccessary to include buttons for “<” and “>” on the message composition page. The message preview interprets “<” and “>” as actual angle bracket characters. E.g. “<bold>” results in “bold”. The actual message post interprets it correctly. After you post a message you return to the message tree. When you click on another message (in dynamic view) the message shows but the page reloads, with all messages closed (message body not visible). This happens only once after each post (but it happens after each post). It happens even if you wait a few minutes before clicking a message. I looked at Jon’s tests. It looks like capital letters are not allowed in the bbcodes. This may be intentional. The depth of the post heirarchy decides the minimum width of the message tree. If the depth gets very deep (like it does here as CP) it will require the users to scroll right regardless of their browser’s window size. This may be intentional. After posting a reply you return to the first page of posts (most recent post) regardless of where the message you are replying to is or your reply post is located. I could not continue my tests. It now says the forums are undergoing routine maintainence. All of my tests were done using IE6 and using dynamic view. Please do not read this as rude or demeaning, I was only testing the site. :)
Henry Jacobs wrote: Please do not read this as rude or demeaning, I was only testing the site. Good god no - I have been watching your test posts appear and thinking "blimey this guy's a good tester". :-D Henry Jacobs wrote: The Home, Register, FAQ, and Login links at the top of the page are unaligned. Aesthetic effect. They should be centered along the same "line" as the forum (site) name and description with three character spaces between each one. They are arranges like this rather than, say, using tables, because depending on whether you are logged in or not, or whether you have super powers (like me - the admin) the extra options are added in there. Henry Jacobs wrote: The message preview interprets html code but the actual message posted disregards html code Okay, noted. Henry Jacobs wrote: After you post a message you return to the message tree. When you click on another message (in dynamic view) the message shows but the page reloads, with all messages closed (message body not visible). This is one of those bugs I was talking about that I don't notice because it's so fast for me. :) It sounds like the return of the old DHTML view big from the initial version of the scripts from February - I'll look into it again. Henry Jacobs wrote: I looked at Jon’s tests. It looks like capital letters are not allowed in the bbcodes. This may be intentional. It was intentional until I can find an optimal way of parsing forum codes. I don't want too much to happen to each message *every time* it is retrieved from the database - on pages showing 50 messages it is already bordering on slow. I can't just run the parser once when you submit though because you might want to go back and edit the message later on. Henry Jacobs wrote: The depth of the post heirarchy decides the minimum width of the message tree. If the depth gets very deep (like it does here as CP) it will require the users to scroll right regardless of their browser’s window size. This may be intentional. I saw your test messages discussing this, but couldn't see quite what you meant, and I'm afriad I am still clueless. :-O Could you elaborate a bit? Henry Jacobs wrote: After posting a reply you return to the first page of posts (most recent post) regardless of where the message you are replying to is or your reply post
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Henry Jacobs wrote: Please do not read this as rude or demeaning, I was only testing the site. Good god no - I have been watching your test posts appear and thinking "blimey this guy's a good tester". :-D Henry Jacobs wrote: The Home, Register, FAQ, and Login links at the top of the page are unaligned. Aesthetic effect. They should be centered along the same "line" as the forum (site) name and description with three character spaces between each one. They are arranges like this rather than, say, using tables, because depending on whether you are logged in or not, or whether you have super powers (like me - the admin) the extra options are added in there. Henry Jacobs wrote: The message preview interprets html code but the actual message posted disregards html code Okay, noted. Henry Jacobs wrote: After you post a message you return to the message tree. When you click on another message (in dynamic view) the message shows but the page reloads, with all messages closed (message body not visible). This is one of those bugs I was talking about that I don't notice because it's so fast for me. :) It sounds like the return of the old DHTML view big from the initial version of the scripts from February - I'll look into it again. Henry Jacobs wrote: I looked at Jon’s tests. It looks like capital letters are not allowed in the bbcodes. This may be intentional. It was intentional until I can find an optimal way of parsing forum codes. I don't want too much to happen to each message *every time* it is retrieved from the database - on pages showing 50 messages it is already bordering on slow. I can't just run the parser once when you submit though because you might want to go back and edit the message later on. Henry Jacobs wrote: The depth of the post heirarchy decides the minimum width of the message tree. If the depth gets very deep (like it does here as CP) it will require the users to scroll right regardless of their browser’s window size. This may be intentional. I saw your test messages discussing this, but couldn't see quite what you meant, and I'm afriad I am still clueless. :-O Could you elaborate a bit? Henry Jacobs wrote: After posting a reply you return to the first page of posts (most recent post) regardless of where the message you are replying to is or your reply post
David Wulff wrote: "blimey this guy's a good tester". Thanks :) David Wulff wrote: Could you elaborate a bit? Each message has a minimum allowable width (~270 pixels). E.g. Reduce the width of your browser window to ~200 pixels and open the last message in my test message tree. If the message tree is deep enough it will require the use of the horizontal scrollbars. If the tree gets really deep i could become an inconvenence. Each time you click a new message the view scrolls complete left. This may be a IE specific thing.
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Henry Jacobs wrote: Please do not read this as rude or demeaning, I was only testing the site. Good god no - I have been watching your test posts appear and thinking "blimey this guy's a good tester". :-D Henry Jacobs wrote: The Home, Register, FAQ, and Login links at the top of the page are unaligned. Aesthetic effect. They should be centered along the same "line" as the forum (site) name and description with three character spaces between each one. They are arranges like this rather than, say, using tables, because depending on whether you are logged in or not, or whether you have super powers (like me - the admin) the extra options are added in there. Henry Jacobs wrote: The message preview interprets html code but the actual message posted disregards html code Okay, noted. Henry Jacobs wrote: After you post a message you return to the message tree. When you click on another message (in dynamic view) the message shows but the page reloads, with all messages closed (message body not visible). This is one of those bugs I was talking about that I don't notice because it's so fast for me. :) It sounds like the return of the old DHTML view big from the initial version of the scripts from February - I'll look into it again. Henry Jacobs wrote: I looked at Jon’s tests. It looks like capital letters are not allowed in the bbcodes. This may be intentional. It was intentional until I can find an optimal way of parsing forum codes. I don't want too much to happen to each message *every time* it is retrieved from the database - on pages showing 50 messages it is already bordering on slow. I can't just run the parser once when you submit though because you might want to go back and edit the message later on. Henry Jacobs wrote: The depth of the post heirarchy decides the minimum width of the message tree. If the depth gets very deep (like it does here as CP) it will require the users to scroll right regardless of their browser’s window size. This may be intentional. I saw your test messages discussing this, but couldn't see quite what you meant, and I'm afriad I am still clueless. :-O Could you elaborate a bit? Henry Jacobs wrote: After posting a reply you return to the first page of posts (most recent post) regardless of where the message you are replying to is or your reply post
A little more testing... The preview window incorrectly displays tabs in pre blocks. The actual post is correct. The message posted time is in server time (?). I would be nice to see the times coverted to local time. In JavaScript, Date.getTimezoneOffset() could be of used. [size=n] [list=a] and [list=1] are mentioned on the forum codes page but are not interpreted.
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A little more testing... The preview window incorrectly displays tabs in pre blocks. The actual post is correct. The message posted time is in server time (?). I would be nice to see the times coverted to local time. In JavaScript, Date.getTimezoneOffset() could be of used. [size=n] [list=a] and [list=1] are mentioned on the forum codes page but are not interpreted.
Henry Jacobs wrote: The preview window The preview window is *really crap*. :-O I need another way to post the data to the window as the querystring has a limit to the amount of text it can contain. I propose to store it in the session object when the preview button is clicked, then delete the session object (if present) when the submit button is clicked. then I can just do a <%=FormatBlaaBlaa(String(Session("PreviewMessage")))%> in the preview script. Henry Jacobs wrote: The message posted time is in server time (?). Yep - dates are currently based on the time zone shown at the bottom of every page, which is the server time. When I revamp the member system - which will be in a future point release - I'll add the ability to specify things like AIM id's, time zone, avatars, etc, and then hopefully I'll remember to adjust dates to the members' timezones. Henry Jacobs wrote: [size=n] [list=a] and [list=1] are mentioned on the forum codes page but are not interpreted. Sizes are interpretted (check the HTML source of the final message) but (d'oh!) they are currently overridden by the css class assigned to the containing paragraph / table cell / etc. I've have a look at this. Lists also work, but you need to close the same tag that you opened, e.g.: [list=a] [*]one[/*] [*]two[/*] [*]three[/*] [/list=a] rather than: [list=a] [*]one[/*] [*]two[/*] [*]three[/*] [/list] I've corrected your test message for you. :)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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David Wulff wrote: "blimey this guy's a good tester". Thanks :) David Wulff wrote: Could you elaborate a bit? Each message has a minimum allowable width (~270 pixels). E.g. Reduce the width of your browser window to ~200 pixels and open the last message in my test message tree. If the message tree is deep enough it will require the use of the horizontal scrollbars. If the tree gets really deep i could become an inconvenence. Each time you click a new message the view scrolls complete left. This may be a IE specific thing.
+--------------+ (Browser Window)
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||o Title | |
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+--------------+Okay, I've tried to reproduce this locally by creating a string of replies and it took 29 before the page started to scroll horizontally. I can see the problem, but can't think how I could solve it... any suggestions? I'll change the theme on the forums on my site to the original subSilver one with smaller spacer graphics for the time being. And to save a new reply... I've fixed the DHTML View reload problem (again!) by removing the ability to automatically scroll to the selected message. It's an annoyance now though because although the page wont reload (good) if you click a message near the base of the page you'll need to scroll up to read it (bad) because the page itself wont scroll with the changing text. I'm stumped on this little bugger - he should be exactly the same as CodeProject uses afaics. I've also fixed the "reply to a message off the front page and you'll be returned to the front page afterwards", so now you are returned to the page contianing your new message. I've uploaded the mods so it should work for you too now.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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Okay, I've tried to reproduce this locally by creating a string of replies and it took 29 before the page started to scroll horizontally. I can see the problem, but can't think how I could solve it... any suggestions? I'll change the theme on the forums on my site to the original subSilver one with smaller spacer graphics for the time being. And to save a new reply... I've fixed the DHTML View reload problem (again!) by removing the ability to automatically scroll to the selected message. It's an annoyance now though because although the page wont reload (good) if you click a message near the base of the page you'll need to scroll up to read it (bad) because the page itself wont scroll with the changing text. I'm stumped on this little bugger - he should be exactly the same as CodeProject uses afaics. I've also fixed the "reply to a message off the front page and you'll be returned to the front page afterwards", so now you are returned to the page contianing your new message. I've uploaded the mods so it should work for you too now.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Who's that peepin' through my window?
David Wulff wrote: ...it took 29 before the page started to scroll horizontally... any suggestions? It's been a little while since I have seen a deep reply tree here at CP but I believe Chris’s code just stops indenting at a certain point.
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I'm getting ready to send out the latest forums software this weekend to the people who've signed up for the informal beta (check out the collaboration forum here on CP if you want to sign up), but before I do I want to catch as many of the "whoops I didn't see that" bugs as I can. If you could spare a few minutes to have a butchers at http://www.battleaxesoftware.com/forums/ (opens in new window) and sign up if you haven't already (though you don't need to), then post and abuse to scripts as much as possible. As this is CodeProject I'd better add if you want to type anything offensive please do so in the swearing forum or it will be removed. * I know starting threads, posting replies, etc, works, so I am more interested in finding problems with the features: use your imagination. * Yes I am aware of the irony of asking you not to post in the wrong forums when I myself have posted this in the Lounge, but I can plead ignorance. :-O Thanks guys, I knew I could count on your curiosity to help me out. :)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
Who's that peepin' through my window?
Glad you asked! On the topical side, I'm using Chimera on an ibook and it all looks good from here. In fact it looks an awful lot like phpbb.org! I good one to emulate, i think. I downloaded the files and started working with them - pretty painless, thanks! - The MS Sql stuff did not work for me however - I switched my conn string to a connectionless that I use elsewhere without probs. I did not get too deep into it as I thot access was ok and this was just for fun. As I recall, it was a boolean prob of some sort. - Also, i prefer to use smpt-email. Which did not work. Again i did very little digging but it seems the emails were not being passed to the function - at the very least the were not making it thru the for in. BTW, you'll never know in either case if the e died, if you use cdont, or dont check the return of sendmail(). - I applaud you for using js over vb but wish the code were more modular/encapsulated. - I'd consider using xml for the config. - In fact if the whole thing used xml - i'd dig that! Other than that I found it quite satisactory - even better when you consider the price :) nice job, Paul
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Glad you asked! On the topical side, I'm using Chimera on an ibook and it all looks good from here. In fact it looks an awful lot like phpbb.org! I good one to emulate, i think. I downloaded the files and started working with them - pretty painless, thanks! - The MS Sql stuff did not work for me however - I switched my conn string to a connectionless that I use elsewhere without probs. I did not get too deep into it as I thot access was ok and this was just for fun. As I recall, it was a boolean prob of some sort. - Also, i prefer to use smpt-email. Which did not work. Again i did very little digging but it seems the emails were not being passed to the function - at the very least the were not making it thru the for in. BTW, you'll never know in either case if the e died, if you use cdont, or dont check the return of sendmail(). - I applaud you for using js over vb but wish the code were more modular/encapsulated. - I'd consider using xml for the config. - In fact if the whole thing used xml - i'd dig that! Other than that I found it quite satisactory - even better when you consider the price :) nice job, Paul
vudmaska wrote: In fact it looks an awful lot like phpbb.org! I good one to emulate, i think That was the idea - for this latest version I've worked hard on addint the ability to use most of the excellently designed phpBB themes out there (though only the ones that change the styles and iamges, not the layout... yet). vudmaska wrote: I downloaded the files and started working with them - pretty painless, thanks! Ah, they will be the version 1.0.2 files, not this new version as I haven't release those files yet (not even to the beta testers just yet). Hence... vudmaska wrote: The MS Sql stuff did not work for me however Should be fixed, the beta will see. vudmaska wrote: Also, i prefer to use smpt-email Should not be a problem anymore. vudmaska wrote: I'd consider using xml for the config I've used straightforward text configuration files now, which have a web based front end to make everything childproof. The config requirements were the biggest problem many people had with the forums. vudmaska wrote: I applaud you for using js over vb but wish the code were more modular/encapsulated Well there's a good point, but when I sat down and looked at how I could take the original VBScript code and make it into a complete JScript solution I didn't see a modular approach as really that necessary. The member system has been seperate from the forum system (though the forum system uses the member system). vudmaska wrote: even better when you consider the price You think $400 is a good price? Ok I'm joking of course (it is 100% free). :-D vudmaska wrote: nice job Thanks. If you'd be interested in helping test the version 2.0 scripts too check out my announcement at http://www.battleaxesoftware.com/forums/ and you can join the testing team. I've already got about half a dozen people signed up which is great, but the more the merrier.
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