Imposition of beliefs on others is just wrong
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If you are an adult human being who wishes to go against your genetic, evolutionary and biological heritage and become a herbivore, then fine. It is wrong to impose those insane beliefs upon others. What with our funny forward pointing eyes, our ripping canine teeth and our strange arrangement of intestines and enzymes, all there simply to kill and eat meat, there is a no reason to become bovine like and just eat those vegetables. However, when those beliefs lead to the death of a child because of malnutrition, then you have a problem Like these morons.[^] There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children. Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources. When Vegiwankers abuse children like this and stop their brains form developing properly then they deserve all they get.
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If you are an adult human being who wishes to go against your genetic, evolutionary and biological heritage and become a herbivore, then fine. It is wrong to impose those insane beliefs upon others. What with our funny forward pointing eyes, our ripping canine teeth and our strange arrangement of intestines and enzymes, all there simply to kill and eat meat, there is a no reason to become bovine like and just eat those vegetables. However, when those beliefs lead to the death of a child because of malnutrition, then you have a problem Like these morons.[^] There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children. Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources. When Vegiwankers abuse children like this and stop their brains form developing properly then they deserve all they get.
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This is a serious and surprising topic... Anyway... during the first half of the post (just before when you speak about children malnutrition) I've been imagining that Mrs. DD was making you to eat those green things that are the vegetables! :rolleyes:
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If you are an adult human being who wishes to go against your genetic, evolutionary and biological heritage and become a herbivore, then fine. It is wrong to impose those insane beliefs upon others. What with our funny forward pointing eyes, our ripping canine teeth and our strange arrangement of intestines and enzymes, all there simply to kill and eat meat, there is a no reason to become bovine like and just eat those vegetables. However, when those beliefs lead to the death of a child because of malnutrition, then you have a problem Like these morons.[^] There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children. Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources. When Vegiwankers abuse children like this and stop their brains form developing properly then they deserve all they get.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Imposition of beliefs on others is just wrong
Says the guy who's always pushing his (non-)religious beliefs? Come on, Dave, bit of hypocrisy? I mean don't get me wrong... I actually agree with 99% of what you say in those posts, and this one... Just think ya need to qualify that subject a bit. :) On topic, though... I'm just waiting for some science team to publish conclusive proof that vegetarianism/veganism is directly harmful to your health (Though being vegan does give you magical powers[^]). I mean if people want to give up meat, that's their choice, but I'm sick of them claiming that it's healthier. Human beings are omnivores, not herbivores.
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This is a serious and surprising topic... Anyway... during the first half of the post (just before when you speak about children malnutrition) I've been imagining that Mrs. DD was making you to eat those green things that are the vegetables! :rolleyes:
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I like vegetables, I eat lots of them, but I also like to eat meat. Meat is an important part of human nutrition, it has shaped our very bodies. I will occasionally have a vegetarian meal, but not exclusively so. To me, vegetables are the things that sit beside the rib-eye steak, or the roast lamb, or the pork chops etc.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Imposition of beliefs on others is just wrong
Says the guy who's always pushing his (non-)religious beliefs? Come on, Dave, bit of hypocrisy? I mean don't get me wrong... I actually agree with 99% of what you say in those posts, and this one... Just think ya need to qualify that subject a bit. :) On topic, though... I'm just waiting for some science team to publish conclusive proof that vegetarianism/veganism is directly harmful to your health (Though being vegan does give you magical powers[^]). I mean if people want to give up meat, that's their choice, but I'm sick of them claiming that it's healthier. Human beings are omnivores, not herbivores.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian, I never initiate any thread or conversaton about religious belief. However, should someone bring the subject up, then I feel quite within my rights to downplay any religious aspect. you may think I am pushing an agenda, and perhaps I am, for I am a Neo-Atheist. That is to say that not only do I not believe, but I actively ridicule and decry any action or policy that has a religious agenda. On the subject of herbivores, if an adult wishes to do that, I have no objection, so long as they do not impose upon me any dietry restictions. I will sit in the company of Vegans and order a rare steak. My view is that you are free to do what you wish as long as it affects no-one else. But when those beliefs do affect others, then they must be questioned and challenged. Dead Babies are worth a question or two I think.
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Ian, I never initiate any thread or conversaton about religious belief. However, should someone bring the subject up, then I feel quite within my rights to downplay any religious aspect. you may think I am pushing an agenda, and perhaps I am, for I am a Neo-Atheist. That is to say that not only do I not believe, but I actively ridicule and decry any action or policy that has a religious agenda. On the subject of herbivores, if an adult wishes to do that, I have no objection, so long as they do not impose upon me any dietry restictions. I will sit in the company of Vegans and order a rare steak. My view is that you are free to do what you wish as long as it affects no-one else. But when those beliefs do affect others, then they must be questioned and challenged. Dead Babies are worth a question or two I think.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
That is to say that not only do I not believe, but I actively ridicule and decry any action or policy that has a religious agenda.
Yeah, I try to resist that temptation. When you post under your real name (Not sure why didn't use one of my many handles when I signed up to CP six years ago...), you kinda have to be conscious that anything you say becomes a matter of public record from now until the end of time.
Dalek Dave wrote:
My view is that you are free to do what you wish as long as it affects no-one else.
But when those beliefs do affect others, then they must be questioned and challenged.Dead Babies are worth a question or two I think.
Agreed... People are free to follow whatever weird beliefs they like, and free to talk about them (So long as we're free to call them on their bull#%*@)... When those beliefs are pushed on a child, or someone equally unable to make up their own mind about it, there's a serious problem.
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If you are an adult human being who wishes to go against your genetic, evolutionary and biological heritage and become a herbivore, then fine. It is wrong to impose those insane beliefs upon others. What with our funny forward pointing eyes, our ripping canine teeth and our strange arrangement of intestines and enzymes, all there simply to kill and eat meat, there is a no reason to become bovine like and just eat those vegetables. However, when those beliefs lead to the death of a child because of malnutrition, then you have a problem Like these morons.[^] There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children. Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources. When Vegiwankers abuse children like this and stop their brains form developing properly then they deserve all they get.
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While I agree with you, these people were clearly not properly educated and didn't have a proper vegan diet. It's entirely possible to eat vegan and get all the nutrients you need, and need to pass-on to your baby though breastfeeding. There are many people who are vegans who eat properly and have many happy and healthy children. Such an entirely avoidable, tragic shame. And just so we're clear I'm definitely a carnivore.
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If you are an adult human being who wishes to go against your genetic, evolutionary and biological heritage and become a herbivore, then fine. It is wrong to impose those insane beliefs upon others. What with our funny forward pointing eyes, our ripping canine teeth and our strange arrangement of intestines and enzymes, all there simply to kill and eat meat, there is a no reason to become bovine like and just eat those vegetables. However, when those beliefs lead to the death of a child because of malnutrition, then you have a problem Like these morons.[^] There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children. Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources. When Vegiwankers abuse children like this and stop their brains form developing properly then they deserve all they get.
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Looks like they were not educated enough. Even us vegeterians don't keep baby on only mothers milk that long. AFAIK, once the baby is 4-5 months old we start giving them soups and other vegetables in a form they can digest. There are even vegeterian baby foods with all nutrients available everywhere in the market.
Dalek Dave wrote:
There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children.
Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources.There are plenty of other cereals, pulses and other vegeterian meals that have all those proteins and vitamins that meat has. Granted that they are heavy for our stomach to process, so they should be given in paste/soup form to the baby.
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If you are an adult human being who wishes to go against your genetic, evolutionary and biological heritage and become a herbivore, then fine. It is wrong to impose those insane beliefs upon others. What with our funny forward pointing eyes, our ripping canine teeth and our strange arrangement of intestines and enzymes, all there simply to kill and eat meat, there is a no reason to become bovine like and just eat those vegetables. However, when those beliefs lead to the death of a child because of malnutrition, then you have a problem Like these morons.[^] There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children. Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources. When Vegiwankers abuse children like this and stop their brains form developing properly then they deserve all they get.
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But they didnt even feed her vegetables Dave, just breast milk. Tell me, just how much meat do other primates eat? Chimpanzees, Gorillas, with their 'forward pointing eyes' and 'sharp teeth'? The answer is very rarely. And I am not sure they would feed any of the meat to their babies since what footage I have seen of them doing so seems to be a male only event. This is a misplaced rant Dave, and like cheap media aims to get brownie points by appealing to popular sentiment, which on the slightest inspection is full of errors.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
That is to say that not only do I not believe, but I actively ridicule and decry any action or policy that has a religious agenda.
Yeah, I try to resist that temptation. When you post under your real name (Not sure why didn't use one of my many handles when I signed up to CP six years ago...), you kinda have to be conscious that anything you say becomes a matter of public record from now until the end of time.
Dalek Dave wrote:
My view is that you are free to do what you wish as long as it affects no-one else.
But when those beliefs do affect others, then they must be questioned and challenged.Dead Babies are worth a question or two I think.
Agreed... People are free to follow whatever weird beliefs they like, and free to talk about them (So long as we're free to call them on their bull#%*@)... When those beliefs are pushed on a child, or someone equally unable to make up their own mind about it, there's a serious problem.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
When those beliefs are pushed on a child
But they didnt Ian. They dint feed the baby meat OR vegetables. Only breast milk. Babies are quite capable of dfeveloping normally on a vegatable only diet. Many many cultures have only a very limited access to meat, and many promates are almost completely vegetarian. And they do perfectly OK.
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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While I agree with you, these people were clearly not properly educated and didn't have a proper vegan diet. It's entirely possible to eat vegan and get all the nutrients you need, and need to pass-on to your baby though breastfeeding. There are many people who are vegans who eat properly and have many happy and healthy children. Such an entirely avoidable, tragic shame. And just so we're clear I'm definitely a carnivore.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader." - John Quincy Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering” - Wernher von BraunThey only fed the baby breast milk. They didnt give it ANY vegetables at all. Dave is barking up the wrong tree here and is entirely wrong, and you are entirely right. It is perfectly possible to have kids grow up healthy on a vegan diet.
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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Looks like they were not educated enough. Even us vegeterians don't keep baby on only mothers milk that long. AFAIK, once the baby is 4-5 months old we start giving them soups and other vegetables in a form they can digest. There are even vegeterian baby foods with all nutrients available everywhere in the market.
Dalek Dave wrote:
There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children.
Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources.There are plenty of other cereals, pulses and other vegeterian meals that have all those proteins and vitamins that meat has. Granted that they are heavy for our stomach to process, so they should be given in paste/soup form to the baby.
HimanshuJoshi wrote:
Even us vegeterians don't keep baby on only mothers milk that long. AFAIK, once the baby is 4-5 months old we start giving them soups and other vegetables in a form they can digest. There are even vegeterian baby foods with all nutrients available everywhere in the market.
Quite right. But you run the risk of popping Daves holier then thou judgemental bubble by pointing out the obvious falacy of his rant.
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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If you are an adult human being who wishes to go against your genetic, evolutionary and biological heritage and become a herbivore, then fine. It is wrong to impose those insane beliefs upon others. What with our funny forward pointing eyes, our ripping canine teeth and our strange arrangement of intestines and enzymes, all there simply to kill and eat meat, there is a no reason to become bovine like and just eat those vegetables. However, when those beliefs lead to the death of a child because of malnutrition, then you have a problem Like these morons.[^] There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children. Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources. When Vegiwankers abuse children like this and stop their brains form developing properly then they deserve all they get.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
What with our funny forward pointing eyes, our ripping canine teeth and our strange arrangement of intestines and enzymes, all there simply to kill and eat meat, there is a no reason to become bovine like and just eat those vegetables.
Reminds me of a discussion I had a while ago with a vegan friend of mine. I simply kept pointing to the nature of our biologic build as omnivores, something that in the great scheme of things makes a human being capable of surviving under a wider range of sustainability conditions: meats, vegetables, bugs, etc. The vegan-way is merely a result of having a thinking brain with time to spare as one of the primary necessities have been fulfilled: food. Once the bellies are full we tend to start thinking of 'other ways'... hey, perhaps just eating vegetables we will feel leaner (with the plus of not having to 'hurt' defenseless critters to sustain ourselves), so let's ditch living animals off our diets! - and you go along merry and happy with your new lifestyle CHOICE. That will work for a while, because as I contended with my friend: when the time comes of a crisis (famine because of war, natural catastrophes, etc), even the staunchest vegan will fold over and make a grab on a rat, cat, dog or a bunch of grasshoppers... it is either that or they will die. My friend was not convinced. To each his/her own I say - but not force it on children like in the news story noted. The facts that we are built to handle anything feeding-wise can not be brushed aside because of moral beliefs; said it before: plants have feelings too, they just don't bleed red nor are capable of making a run for it when assailed by a being higher up in the food chain. At any rate extremes are bad, a balanced diet will be the best. -- RP
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But they didnt even feed her vegetables Dave, just breast milk. Tell me, just how much meat do other primates eat? Chimpanzees, Gorillas, with their 'forward pointing eyes' and 'sharp teeth'? The answer is very rarely. And I am not sure they would feed any of the meat to their babies since what footage I have seen of them doing so seems to be a male only event. This is a misplaced rant Dave, and like cheap media aims to get brownie points by appealing to popular sentiment, which on the slightest inspection is full of errors.
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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fat_boy wrote:
But they didnt even feed her vegetables Dave, just breast milk.
Where does the breast milk come from? what body processes nutrients it receives from its diet and build it up to end as breast milk? The Mother :omg: And if the mother lacks on its nutrients ingest then the breast milk will not be ENOUGH. Proper breast milk BTW it is enough during the early stages of the baby's development, by the time you can start feeding it either mashed up vegetables or meats the essentials in the baby's body were already set in place by just the breast milk -> again, provided the mother takes proper care of herself for that to happen. Oh, the classic Man-Monkey comparison. Do a little more research and properly build up your posture on the matter. -- RP
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fat_boy wrote:
But they didnt even feed her vegetables Dave, just breast milk.
Where does the breast milk come from? what body processes nutrients it receives from its diet and build it up to end as breast milk? The Mother :omg: And if the mother lacks on its nutrients ingest then the breast milk will not be ENOUGH. Proper breast milk BTW it is enough during the early stages of the baby's development, by the time you can start feeding it either mashed up vegetables or meats the essentials in the baby's body were already set in place by just the breast milk -> again, provided the mother takes proper care of herself for that to happen. Oh, the classic Man-Monkey comparison. Do a little more research and properly build up your posture on the matter. -- RP
What a load of crap. Yeah, brest milk is fine for babies, then they need to start on solids at about 4 months. And this baby died at a YEAR old. Get it? It was fed brest milk way beyond the point it should have started on solids. Doesnt matter whether the mother is a veggie or a freaking 8 steaks a day eater, her brest milk is not enough at that stage of developement. And for your information there is nothing lacking in a vegetarian diet. Many many people live perfectly normall on it and have children who are perfectly healthy.
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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What a load of crap. Yeah, brest milk is fine for babies, then they need to start on solids at about 4 months. And this baby died at a YEAR old. Get it? It was fed brest milk way beyond the point it should have started on solids. Doesnt matter whether the mother is a veggie or a freaking 8 steaks a day eater, her brest milk is not enough at that stage of developement. And for your information there is nothing lacking in a vegetarian diet. Many many people live perfectly normall on it and have children who are perfectly healthy.
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
fat_boy wrote:
What a load of crap.
And it was vegan crap fat_boy. I love you man ;) -- RP
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But they didnt even feed her vegetables Dave, just breast milk. Tell me, just how much meat do other primates eat? Chimpanzees, Gorillas, with their 'forward pointing eyes' and 'sharp teeth'? The answer is very rarely. And I am not sure they would feed any of the meat to their babies since what footage I have seen of them doing so seems to be a male only event. This is a misplaced rant Dave, and like cheap media aims to get brownie points by appealing to popular sentiment, which on the slightest inspection is full of errors.
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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Hmmm, let me expand upon your obvious education gap. Chimps are massive meat eaters. They hunt in packs and kill many animals, often smaller monkeys, but have been seen practising cannibalism. They eat insects, grubs and have a penchant for termite fishing. The Pan diet is incredibly meat rich. So, once more you are opening your gob in a state of complete ignorance. Secondly, although gorillas are predominantly vegetarian, they also enjoy grubs. And they make a point of giving the young juicy larvae as a dietry compliment. The vegan diet is incredibly unhealthy for children, and the usual mantra of the herbivores is that they take suppliments. They see this as a positive slant in the argument. Fallacious Argument! The fact that they need to take suppliments shows that the Vegan diet is inherently bad, leading to malnutrition. If these processed pills and capsules were not available, they would be dying of malnutrition. So, your argument, once again, is completely lost in the face of these inconvenient facts. Another argument that vegans dislike is the number of animals killed when harvesting. Millions upon millions, but that also is ignored, for veganism is another of those 'Religionist' ideas that hide the truth in favour of the percieved moral high ground. It would be beneficial if, in future, you had some idea of what you were talking about before venting ill informed opinion. Sources: Chimpanzee Cannibalism[^] Gorillas eat meat[^] Child malnutrition[^] I would be interested to see your sources.
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Hmmm, let me expand upon your obvious education gap. Chimps are massive meat eaters. They hunt in packs and kill many animals, often smaller monkeys, but have been seen practising cannibalism. They eat insects, grubs and have a penchant for termite fishing. The Pan diet is incredibly meat rich. So, once more you are opening your gob in a state of complete ignorance. Secondly, although gorillas are predominantly vegetarian, they also enjoy grubs. And they make a point of giving the young juicy larvae as a dietry compliment. The vegan diet is incredibly unhealthy for children, and the usual mantra of the herbivores is that they take suppliments. They see this as a positive slant in the argument. Fallacious Argument! The fact that they need to take suppliments shows that the Vegan diet is inherently bad, leading to malnutrition. If these processed pills and capsules were not available, they would be dying of malnutrition. So, your argument, once again, is completely lost in the face of these inconvenient facts. Another argument that vegans dislike is the number of animals killed when harvesting. Millions upon millions, but that also is ignored, for veganism is another of those 'Religionist' ideas that hide the truth in favour of the percieved moral high ground. It would be beneficial if, in future, you had some idea of what you were talking about before venting ill informed opinion. Sources: Chimpanzee Cannibalism[^] Gorillas eat meat[^] Child malnutrition[^] I would be interested to see your sources.
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The chimpanzee diet is an omnivorous diet as they eat plants and meat. Their primary source of food is plants.... It is mostly the male chimpanzees that hunt for meat more than the females[^] Chimpanzee diets are composed mainly of ripe fruits ...They also eat many different types of insects..Mammals such as monkeys, pigs and antelope are also eaten, particularly by males, but along with termites only account for about 5% of their diet. [^] Which, with the exception of insects, is pretty much what I said. As for Gorillas, well, as you agree, they are mostly vegetarian. Now, Vegan diet for kids. Your link mentions kids fed a raw food vegan diet. Its well known that cooking food releases its nutrients, and in fact that same article states normal growth would have been acchieved had they eaten a vegan diet. So, a typically foul mouthed abusive response from Dave, who once again gets it wrong and makes an idiot of himself. Try harder next time, its getting tediously easy rebutting your arguments. :)
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
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The chimpanzee diet is an omnivorous diet as they eat plants and meat. Their primary source of food is plants.... It is mostly the male chimpanzees that hunt for meat more than the females[^] Chimpanzee diets are composed mainly of ripe fruits ...They also eat many different types of insects..Mammals such as monkeys, pigs and antelope are also eaten, particularly by males, but along with termites only account for about 5% of their diet. [^] Which, with the exception of insects, is pretty much what I said. As for Gorillas, well, as you agree, they are mostly vegetarian. Now, Vegan diet for kids. Your link mentions kids fed a raw food vegan diet. Its well known that cooking food releases its nutrients, and in fact that same article states normal growth would have been acchieved had they eaten a vegan diet. So, a typically foul mouthed abusive response from Dave, who once again gets it wrong and makes an idiot of himself. Try harder next time, its getting tediously easy rebutting your arguments. :)
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman
So your response to my point that you are wrong is to agree that you are wrong. Excellent, we are getting somewhere. They are not vegetarians as you stated originally, but omniverous and eaters of meat. So glad we cleared up the fact that Chimps and Gorillas kill and eat other animals. I notice, once more, that you cite no sources. Why, are they too hard to find. My point is not that you can develope on a vegan diet, (Note, not a Vegetarian Diet, which is a completely different thing). You also agree that suppliments are required. These suppliments aare not available in the wild, so guess what, I am right. Veganism is dangerous unless sufficient artificial and processed suppliments are provided. At least you are finally seeing that I am right and that you are in agreement with me. To sum up. Chimps eat meat - you agree. Gorillas eta meat - you agree. Vegan diet is insufficient for healthy living - you agree. (Vegan diet suplimented with pill et al is ok, but the basic diet leads to malnutrition.)
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
When those beliefs are pushed on a child
But they didnt Ian. They dint feed the baby meat OR vegetables. Only breast milk. Babies are quite capable of dfeveloping normally on a vegatable only diet. Many many cultures have only a very limited access to meat, and many promates are almost completely vegetarian. And they do perfectly OK.
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fat_boy wrote:
But they didnt Ian. They dint feed the baby meat OR vegetables. Only breast milk.
Breast milk generated by a vegan diet.
fat_boy wrote:
Many many cultures have only a very limited access to meat, and many promates are almost completely vegetarian.
Note my added emphasis. You seem to be missing the difference between eating a small amount of meat (Enough to get the necessary nutrients) and eating none at all.
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