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What a load of crap. Yeah, brest milk is fine for babies, then they need to start on solids at about 4 months. And this baby died at a YEAR old. Get it? It was fed brest milk way beyond the point it should have started on solids. Doesnt matter whether the mother is a veggie or a freaking 8 steaks a day eater, her brest milk is not enough at that stage of developement. And for your information there is nothing lacking in a vegetarian diet. Many many people live perfectly normall on it and have children who are perfectly healthy.
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fat_boy wrote:
What a load of crap.
And it was vegan crap fat_boy. I love you man ;) -- RP
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But they didnt even feed her vegetables Dave, just breast milk. Tell me, just how much meat do other primates eat? Chimpanzees, Gorillas, with their 'forward pointing eyes' and 'sharp teeth'? The answer is very rarely. And I am not sure they would feed any of the meat to their babies since what footage I have seen of them doing so seems to be a male only event. This is a misplaced rant Dave, and like cheap media aims to get brownie points by appealing to popular sentiment, which on the slightest inspection is full of errors.
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Hmmm, let me expand upon your obvious education gap. Chimps are massive meat eaters. They hunt in packs and kill many animals, often smaller monkeys, but have been seen practising cannibalism. They eat insects, grubs and have a penchant for termite fishing. The Pan diet is incredibly meat rich. So, once more you are opening your gob in a state of complete ignorance. Secondly, although gorillas are predominantly vegetarian, they also enjoy grubs. And they make a point of giving the young juicy larvae as a dietry compliment. The vegan diet is incredibly unhealthy for children, and the usual mantra of the herbivores is that they take suppliments. They see this as a positive slant in the argument. Fallacious Argument! The fact that they need to take suppliments shows that the Vegan diet is inherently bad, leading to malnutrition. If these processed pills and capsules were not available, they would be dying of malnutrition. So, your argument, once again, is completely lost in the face of these inconvenient facts. Another argument that vegans dislike is the number of animals killed when harvesting. Millions upon millions, but that also is ignored, for veganism is another of those 'Religionist' ideas that hide the truth in favour of the percieved moral high ground. It would be beneficial if, in future, you had some idea of what you were talking about before venting ill informed opinion. Sources: Chimpanzee Cannibalism[^] Gorillas eat meat[^] Child malnutrition[^] I would be interested to see your sources.
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Hmmm, let me expand upon your obvious education gap. Chimps are massive meat eaters. They hunt in packs and kill many animals, often smaller monkeys, but have been seen practising cannibalism. They eat insects, grubs and have a penchant for termite fishing. The Pan diet is incredibly meat rich. So, once more you are opening your gob in a state of complete ignorance. Secondly, although gorillas are predominantly vegetarian, they also enjoy grubs. And they make a point of giving the young juicy larvae as a dietry compliment. The vegan diet is incredibly unhealthy for children, and the usual mantra of the herbivores is that they take suppliments. They see this as a positive slant in the argument. Fallacious Argument! The fact that they need to take suppliments shows that the Vegan diet is inherently bad, leading to malnutrition. If these processed pills and capsules were not available, they would be dying of malnutrition. So, your argument, once again, is completely lost in the face of these inconvenient facts. Another argument that vegans dislike is the number of animals killed when harvesting. Millions upon millions, but that also is ignored, for veganism is another of those 'Religionist' ideas that hide the truth in favour of the percieved moral high ground. It would be beneficial if, in future, you had some idea of what you were talking about before venting ill informed opinion. Sources: Chimpanzee Cannibalism[^] Gorillas eat meat[^] Child malnutrition[^] I would be interested to see your sources.
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The chimpanzee diet is an omnivorous diet as they eat plants and meat. Their primary source of food is plants.... It is mostly the male chimpanzees that hunt for meat more than the females[^] Chimpanzee diets are composed mainly of ripe fruits ...They also eat many different types of insects..Mammals such as monkeys, pigs and antelope are also eaten, particularly by males, but along with termites only account for about 5% of their diet. [^] Which, with the exception of insects, is pretty much what I said. As for Gorillas, well, as you agree, they are mostly vegetarian. Now, Vegan diet for kids. Your link mentions kids fed a raw food vegan diet. Its well known that cooking food releases its nutrients, and in fact that same article states normal growth would have been acchieved had they eaten a vegan diet. So, a typically foul mouthed abusive response from Dave, who once again gets it wrong and makes an idiot of himself. Try harder next time, its getting tediously easy rebutting your arguments. :)
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The chimpanzee diet is an omnivorous diet as they eat plants and meat. Their primary source of food is plants.... It is mostly the male chimpanzees that hunt for meat more than the females[^] Chimpanzee diets are composed mainly of ripe fruits ...They also eat many different types of insects..Mammals such as monkeys, pigs and antelope are also eaten, particularly by males, but along with termites only account for about 5% of their diet. [^] Which, with the exception of insects, is pretty much what I said. As for Gorillas, well, as you agree, they are mostly vegetarian. Now, Vegan diet for kids. Your link mentions kids fed a raw food vegan diet. Its well known that cooking food releases its nutrients, and in fact that same article states normal growth would have been acchieved had they eaten a vegan diet. So, a typically foul mouthed abusive response from Dave, who once again gets it wrong and makes an idiot of himself. Try harder next time, its getting tediously easy rebutting your arguments. :)
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So your response to my point that you are wrong is to agree that you are wrong. Excellent, we are getting somewhere. They are not vegetarians as you stated originally, but omniverous and eaters of meat. So glad we cleared up the fact that Chimps and Gorillas kill and eat other animals. I notice, once more, that you cite no sources. Why, are they too hard to find. My point is not that you can develope on a vegan diet, (Note, not a Vegetarian Diet, which is a completely different thing). You also agree that suppliments are required. These suppliments aare not available in the wild, so guess what, I am right. Veganism is dangerous unless sufficient artificial and processed suppliments are provided. At least you are finally seeing that I am right and that you are in agreement with me. To sum up. Chimps eat meat - you agree. Gorillas eta meat - you agree. Vegan diet is insufficient for healthy living - you agree. (Vegan diet suplimented with pill et al is ok, but the basic diet leads to malnutrition.)
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
When those beliefs are pushed on a child
But they didnt Ian. They dint feed the baby meat OR vegetables. Only breast milk. Babies are quite capable of dfeveloping normally on a vegatable only diet. Many many cultures have only a very limited access to meat, and many promates are almost completely vegetarian. And they do perfectly OK.
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fat_boy wrote:
But they didnt Ian. They dint feed the baby meat OR vegetables. Only breast milk.
Breast milk generated by a vegan diet.
fat_boy wrote:
Many many cultures have only a very limited access to meat, and many promates are almost completely vegetarian.
Note my added emphasis. You seem to be missing the difference between eating a small amount of meat (Enough to get the necessary nutrients) and eating none at all.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
That is to say that not only do I not believe, but I actively ridicule and decry any action or policy that has a religious agenda.
Yeah, I try to resist that temptation. When you post under your real name (Not sure why didn't use one of my many handles when I signed up to CP six years ago...), you kinda have to be conscious that anything you say becomes a matter of public record from now until the end of time.
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My view is that you are free to do what you wish as long as it affects no-one else.
But when those beliefs do affect others, then they must be questioned and challenged.Dead Babies are worth a question or two I think.
Agreed... People are free to follow whatever weird beliefs they like, and free to talk about them (So long as we're free to call them on their bull#%*@)... When those beliefs are pushed on a child, or someone equally unable to make up their own mind about it, there's a serious problem.
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But I don't understand why you don't want to be a Muslim. It's a Blast! Literally.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Imposition of beliefs on others is just wrong
Says the guy who's always pushing his (non-)religious beliefs? Come on, Dave, bit of hypocrisy? I mean don't get me wrong... I actually agree with 99% of what you say in those posts, and this one... Just think ya need to qualify that subject a bit. :) On topic, though... I'm just waiting for some science team to publish conclusive proof that vegetarianism/veganism is directly harmful to your health (Though being vegan does give you magical powers[^]). I mean if people want to give up meat, that's their choice, but I'm sick of them claiming that it's healthier. Human beings are omnivores, not herbivores.
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I'm just waiting for some science team to publish conclusive proof that vegetarianism/veganism is directly harmful to your health
The problem is that doing good science on nutrition is hard because you can't lock people in cages and force them to eat your test diet for years at time. The other issue is that the average person's diet is so poor that even a vegetarian or vegan diet is healthier. My personal experiment showed that me eating a low fat vegetarian diet caused the following issues: loss of muscle mass, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, difficulty thinking, ADHD symptoms, IBS and bacne (acne on my face and back). Dropping beans, rice, wheat, dairy except butter from my diet, and adding bacon, red meat, chicken, fatty fish, bacon, eggs and tons more green veggies fixed a lot of those problems.
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I like vegetables, I eat lots of them, but I also like to eat meat. Meat is an important part of human nutrition, it has shaped our very bodies. I will occasionally have a vegetarian meal, but not exclusively so. To me, vegetables are the things that sit beside the rib-eye steak, or the roast lamb, or the pork chops etc.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
To me, vegetables are the things that sit beside the rib-eye steak, or the roast lamb, or the pork chops etc.
If it is good quality, ie not grain fed animals and you include offal and marrow, etc. you can live quite healthily on just animals.
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But they didnt even feed her vegetables Dave, just breast milk. Tell me, just how much meat do other primates eat? Chimpanzees, Gorillas, with their 'forward pointing eyes' and 'sharp teeth'? The answer is very rarely. And I am not sure they would feed any of the meat to their babies since what footage I have seen of them doing so seems to be a male only event. This is a misplaced rant Dave, and like cheap media aims to get brownie points by appealing to popular sentiment, which on the slightest inspection is full of errors.
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At least this vegetarian group admits that humans are omnivores. http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm[^] Gorillas are the most vegetarian primates and they have the long intestines and bulging guts to prove it.
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Looks like they were not educated enough. Even us vegeterians don't keep baby on only mothers milk that long. AFAIK, once the baby is 4-5 months old we start giving them soups and other vegetables in a form they can digest. There are even vegeterian baby foods with all nutrients available everywhere in the market.
Dalek Dave wrote:
There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children.
Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources.There are plenty of other cereals, pulses and other vegeterian meals that have all those proteins and vitamins that meat has. Granted that they are heavy for our stomach to process, so they should be given in paste/soup form to the baby.
HimanshuJoshi wrote:
There are plenty of other cereals, pulses and other vegeterian meals that have all those proteins and vitamins that meat has. Granted that they are heavy for our stomach to process, so they should be given in paste/soup form to the baby.
Vegetarian yes, pure vegan no. The baby died of B12 deficiency which is the main vitamin lacking in a vegan diet.
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If you are an adult human being who wishes to go against your genetic, evolutionary and biological heritage and become a herbivore, then fine. It is wrong to impose those insane beliefs upon others. What with our funny forward pointing eyes, our ripping canine teeth and our strange arrangement of intestines and enzymes, all there simply to kill and eat meat, there is a no reason to become bovine like and just eat those vegetables. However, when those beliefs lead to the death of a child because of malnutrition, then you have a problem Like these morons.[^] There are protiens and nutrients in meat that are vital for development of children. Nutrients that cannot be obtained from any other sources. When Vegiwankers abuse children like this and stop their brains form developing properly then they deserve all they get.
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I just feel regret for the parents. There is so much nutritional misinformation and goobledygook out there.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
I'm just waiting for some science team to publish conclusive proof that vegetarianism/veganism is directly harmful to your health
The problem is that doing good science on nutrition is hard because you can't lock people in cages and force them to eat your test diet for years at time. The other issue is that the average person's diet is so poor that even a vegetarian or vegan diet is healthier. My personal experiment showed that me eating a low fat vegetarian diet caused the following issues: loss of muscle mass, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, difficulty thinking, ADHD symptoms, IBS and bacne (acne on my face and back). Dropping beans, rice, wheat, dairy except butter from my diet, and adding bacon, red meat, chicken, fatty fish, bacon, eggs and tons more green veggies fixed a lot of those problems.
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Very true... Can't conduct a real experiment, because you can't eliminate external factors. I would speculate that: 1) On average, people on vegetarian/vegan diets are more health-conscious than the rest of us. I realize some percentage of them eat that way for ethical reasons instead of health reasons, but even those people are, because of the diet, paying much more attention to what they eat, and thus to their health. (Note: I'm not saying that they're eating healthier... I'm saying they're actually making an effort to eat healthy. Whether or not their idea of healthy is correct, is the real question here) 2) This attention to health is not necessarily dependent on that diet, so these same people, on a non-veggie diet, would likely still be paying more attention to their health, avoiding things that we all agree are unhealthy (But can't resist...) Therefore, a scientific study would have to determine the effect and prevalence of the "Health consciousness" factor, independently from the "Vegetarian/Vegan" factor, and somehow cancel it out. I have no idea how to go about doing that. As for myself... I've never tried going vegetarian, and I can't picture myself EVER trying that, let alone veganism... I mean, the idea of giving up burgers, steak, sushi, sausage on my pizza, bacon and eggs... And try to replace all that and more with rabbit food? Ugh! Good thing I just ate a couple hours ago (Chicken parmesan :) ), or this would be making me hungry...
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HimanshuJoshi wrote:
There are plenty of other cereals, pulses and other vegeterian meals that have all those proteins and vitamins that meat has. Granted that they are heavy for our stomach to process, so they should be given in paste/soup form to the baby.
Vegetarian yes, pure vegan no. The baby died of B12 deficiency which is the main vitamin lacking in a vegan diet.
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Andy Brummer wrote:
Vegetarian yes, pure vegan no. The baby died of B12 deficiency which is the main vitamin lacking in a vegan diet.
Yup, and since your body can store several decades of it if you're on a normal omnivorous diet the dietary deficiency takes a long time to sneak up on healthy adult converts. B12 synthesis is the key dividing line between true herbivores (which synthesize it) and obligate omni/carnivores (which need to get it from meat). There are no known land plants that produce it, so all of our ancestors were omnivores, as proven by the fact that they lived long enough to breed. Researchers have found a type of seaweed that produces B12, but it wasn't part of the diet of humans in the ares it was native to. It does however allow vegans who hate organic chemistry a biological lifeline.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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HimanshuJoshi wrote:
There are plenty of other cereals, pulses and other vegeterian meals that have all those proteins and vitamins that meat has. Granted that they are heavy for our stomach to process, so they should be given in paste/soup form to the baby.
Vegetarian yes, pure vegan no. The baby died of B12 deficiency which is the main vitamin lacking in a vegan diet.
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Andy Brummer wrote:
Vegetarian yes, pure vegan no
Agreed.
Andy Brummer wrote:
The baby died of B12 deficiency which is the main vitamin lacking in a vegan diet.
that's the reason we are vegeterians not pure vegans.
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Very true... Can't conduct a real experiment, because you can't eliminate external factors. I would speculate that: 1) On average, people on vegetarian/vegan diets are more health-conscious than the rest of us. I realize some percentage of them eat that way for ethical reasons instead of health reasons, but even those people are, because of the diet, paying much more attention to what they eat, and thus to their health. (Note: I'm not saying that they're eating healthier... I'm saying they're actually making an effort to eat healthy. Whether or not their idea of healthy is correct, is the real question here) 2) This attention to health is not necessarily dependent on that diet, so these same people, on a non-veggie diet, would likely still be paying more attention to their health, avoiding things that we all agree are unhealthy (But can't resist...) Therefore, a scientific study would have to determine the effect and prevalence of the "Health consciousness" factor, independently from the "Vegetarian/Vegan" factor, and somehow cancel it out. I have no idea how to go about doing that. As for myself... I've never tried going vegetarian, and I can't picture myself EVER trying that, let alone veganism... I mean, the idea of giving up burgers, steak, sushi, sausage on my pizza, bacon and eggs... And try to replace all that and more with rabbit food? Ugh! Good thing I just ate a couple hours ago (Chicken parmesan :) ), or this would be making me hungry...
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Factoring out lifestyle, exercise, smoking, environment, sun exposure, etc. is one issue. Another is people lie like crazy on surveys about what they eat. On top of that you have all the artificial crap out there that will screw up any diet.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Good thing I just ate a couple hours ago (Chicken parmesan :) ), or this would be making me hungry...
That's on my do not eat list. I can't really talk because my diet is way further away from the mainstream than vegetarians, but I feel so good that I don't even miss bread all that much anymore. And I actually prefer meatza to pizza anyway.
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Factoring out lifestyle, exercise, smoking, environment, sun exposure, etc. is one issue. Another is people lie like crazy on surveys about what they eat. On top of that you have all the artificial crap out there that will screw up any diet.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Good thing I just ate a couple hours ago (Chicken parmesan :) ), or this would be making me hungry...
That's on my do not eat list. I can't really talk because my diet is way further away from the mainstream than vegetarians, but I feel so good that I don't even miss bread all that much anymore. And I actually prefer meatza to pizza anyway.
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Andy Brummer wrote:
Factoring out lifestyle, exercise, smoking, environment, sun exposure, etc. is one issue. Another is people lie like crazy on surveys about what they eat. On top of that you have all the artificial crap out there that will screw up any diet.
True, true... The margin of error would be too high for the results to be meaningful...
Andy Brummer wrote:
That's on my do not eat list. I can't really talk because my diet is way further away from the mainstream than vegetarians, but I feel so good that I don't even miss bread all that much anymore. And I actually prefer meatza to pizza anyway.
Ah, so you're low-carb... If I really cared enough about my diet, I could probably handle something like that. Right now, I'm a strict adherent to the "Hey, that looks tasty! I'll just spend some extra time on the bike later" diet.
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Andy Brummer wrote:
Factoring out lifestyle, exercise, smoking, environment, sun exposure, etc. is one issue. Another is people lie like crazy on surveys about what they eat. On top of that you have all the artificial crap out there that will screw up any diet.
True, true... The margin of error would be too high for the results to be meaningful...
Andy Brummer wrote:
That's on my do not eat list. I can't really talk because my diet is way further away from the mainstream than vegetarians, but I feel so good that I don't even miss bread all that much anymore. And I actually prefer meatza to pizza anyway.
Ah, so you're low-carb... If I really cared enough about my diet, I could probably handle something like that. Right now, I'm a strict adherent to the "Hey, that looks tasty! I'll just spend some extra time on the bike later" diet.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Actually, low fructose. I eat plenty of root vegetables which are broken down into glucose, though I eat lower carb than most people. If you go into Atkins/ketosis land for too long it becomes hard to get enough veggies to stay healthy, plus there are hard limits on the amount of protein you can eat before your body starts converting it over to sugar anyway. As it is I eat a ton more vegetables then I did when I was vegetarian. If you wanted to break it down macro nutritively, my calorie breakdown is fat > protein > carb with most of the carbs from vegetables and a little from fruit. The labels that apply are paleo or primal. I avoid most neolithic foods, but that's not the motivation for the way I eat.
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Actually, low fructose. I eat plenty of root vegetables which are broken down into glucose, though I eat lower carb than most people. If you go into Atkins/ketosis land for too long it becomes hard to get enough veggies to stay healthy, plus there are hard limits on the amount of protein you can eat before your body starts converting it over to sugar anyway. As it is I eat a ton more vegetables then I did when I was vegetarian. If you wanted to break it down macro nutritively, my calorie breakdown is fat > protein > carb with most of the carbs from vegetables and a little from fruit. The labels that apply are paleo or primal. I avoid most neolithic foods, but that's not the motivation for the way I eat.
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Man, you really have this down to a science... Honestly, I spend so much time thinking about plotlines, programming projects, and pointless... uh... things... (Damn, I had some nice alliteration going)... that I don't think I could spare any concentration for food, beyond "Hungry... Let's see what's in the fridge" (And the fridge is populated by the concatenation of "What am I running out of?" and anything interesting that pops into my mind while walking through the grocery store)
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Man, you really have this down to a science... Honestly, I spend so much time thinking about plotlines, programming projects, and pointless... uh... things... (Damn, I had some nice alliteration going)... that I don't think I could spare any concentration for food, beyond "Hungry... Let's see what's in the fridge" (And the fridge is populated by the concatenation of "What am I running out of?" and anything interesting that pops into my mind while walking through the grocery store)
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Yeah, been there, done that. I'm about to go home pick up my family and run out to the farmer's market to pick up our CSA and standing weekly order for chicken, eggs, beef and pork. It can be a lot of work, but it pays off in the way I feel.
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