So here goes...I've quit my job.
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Good luck - I hope you aren't going to need it, but in the current climate...<shrug>
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OriginalGriff wrote:
current climate
My theory (and it's just a theory) is that companies have been forced to downsize their IT departments and are now having to fall back to contractors to get things done. Of course the flip side is that if they've downsized there are probably more out of work devs in the markey considering contracting. I've just to see how things play out I suppose. Hard work and a little bit of luck and hopefully I'll be ok.
Simon [Need a software dev?]
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I've quit my job! I'm going to start by contracting and try and build my own company. I've got 1 month to finalise the details and find my first project (although I do have a few leads already). Wish me luck. [Going freelance blog post[^].]
Simon
You know that when you come back to his office and tell him it was only an april fools joke, he might get angry and not take you back??? ;P
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Good luck! :rose: Just curious: why have you quit? - Hungry for being your own boss? - Really bad job? - X?
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Joan Murt wrote:
Just curious: why have you quit?
I've always wanted to have my own company. Ultimately I want to build a product/app that I can sell, so I suppose contracting is just a route to get the freedom to get to that final goal.
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Simon P Stevens wrote:
I do have a few leads
Have you considered being a dog walker then? :)
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I've quit my job! I'm going to start by contracting and try and build my own company. I've got 1 month to finalise the details and find my first project (although I do have a few leads already). Wish me luck. [Going freelance blog post[^].]
Simon
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I've quit my job! I'm going to start by contracting and try and build my own company. I've got 1 month to finalise the details and find my first project (although I do have a few leads already). Wish me luck. [Going freelance blog post[^].]
Simon
I did the same thing about 4 years ago - finding my first contract was pretty rough as I went freelance about the same time that Northern Rock went to the wall so the contract I did have lined up with a major bank got pulled before it even started! I posted on here asking for advice from fellow CP members and was pointed at a few articles written by Digital Man[^]. Definitely worth a look; some sage advice in there for new starters. I assume you'll be setting up your own Ltd company to trade under (pretty standard these days). Have a shop around to find the best price; I got mine for about £25 though either contractoruk.com or contractoralliance.co.uk (can't remember which) but some places will charge up to a few hundred quid. Ask your mates who they use as their accountant too - always better to work off recommendations when it's someone who deals with your money. Best of British!! :)
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I've quit my job! I'm going to start by contracting and try and build my own company. I've got 1 month to finalise the details and find my first project (although I do have a few leads already). Wish me luck. [Going freelance blog post[^].]
Simon
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You know that when you come back to his office and tell him it was only an april fools joke, he might get angry and not take you back??? ;P
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects - Will Rogers, 1924Oh dear, I hope he's got a good sense of humour. ;) Actually, joking aside. The best April fools joke I ever pulled... I used to work as assistant manager at a pretty big night club. On march the 31st the big boss guy was on his day off and I was left running things. At 12:01 April 1st I text him that licensing inspectors had been in and issued a temporary closure because we were serving alcohol without offering food. (At the time there was a bit of a grey area in alcohol licensing laws about having to offer food any time you served alcohol. We offered a full menu until 10pm and then bar snacks like nachos etc, but no one had been able to actually confirm if our bar snacks constituted enough of a menu to conform with the licensing laws). I got a rather stressed phone call about 10 minutes later and I kept up the joke for a minute or too before letting on. He wasn't too impressed. We had a good laugh about it the next day though, thankfully he did see the funny side.
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Good luck. :)
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Simon [Need a software dev?]
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Oh dear, I hope he's got a good sense of humour. ;) Actually, joking aside. The best April fools joke I ever pulled... I used to work as assistant manager at a pretty big night club. On march the 31st the big boss guy was on his day off and I was left running things. At 12:01 April 1st I text him that licensing inspectors had been in and issued a temporary closure because we were serving alcohol without offering food. (At the time there was a bit of a grey area in alcohol licensing laws about having to offer food any time you served alcohol. We offered a full menu until 10pm and then bar snacks like nachos etc, but no one had been able to actually confirm if our bar snacks constituted enough of a menu to conform with the licensing laws). I got a rather stressed phone call about 10 minutes later and I kept up the joke for a minute or too before letting on. He wasn't too impressed. We had a good laugh about it the next day though, thankfully he did see the funny side.
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I understand now that you like to live on the edge... :-D So good luck to you (seriously!)
Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Don't tell my folks I'm a computer programmer - They think I'm a piano player in a cat house...
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects - Will Rogers, 1924 -
I did the same thing about 4 years ago - finding my first contract was pretty rough as I went freelance about the same time that Northern Rock went to the wall so the contract I did have lined up with a major bank got pulled before it even started! I posted on here asking for advice from fellow CP members and was pointed at a few articles written by Digital Man[^]. Definitely worth a look; some sage advice in there for new starters. I assume you'll be setting up your own Ltd company to trade under (pretty standard these days). Have a shop around to find the best price; I got mine for about £25 though either contractoruk.com or contractoralliance.co.uk (can't remember which) but some places will charge up to a few hundred quid. Ask your mates who they use as their accountant too - always better to work off recommendations when it's someone who deals with your money. Best of British!! :)
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
Yeah, I've read Digital Man's articles. They've certainly helped with a few pointers so far. I'm probably just going to stick as a sole trader to begin with. There doesn't seem to be any significant advantage to going Ltd right away, but I suspect that I'll end up doing that eventually. You started 4 years ago...I assume you're still going strong now?
Simon [Need a software dev?]
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I've quit my job! I'm going to start by contracting and try and build my own company. I've got 1 month to finalise the details and find my first project (although I do have a few leads already). Wish me luck. [Going freelance blog post[^].]
Simon
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Yeah, I've read Digital Man's articles. They've certainly helped with a few pointers so far. I'm probably just going to stick as a sole trader to begin with. There doesn't seem to be any significant advantage to going Ltd right away, but I suspect that I'll end up doing that eventually. You started 4 years ago...I assume you're still going strong now?
Simon [Need a software dev?]
I found that most recruitment agencies will only deal with limited companies as it apparently shields them from some legal and financial issue (though I'm not clear exactly what). I'd have a call round a few places and ask them what their procedure is. I'm probably luckier than most; I've managed to find myself on a few long term contracts (the current one is over 2 years thanks to a few extensions) and I've suffered no downtime since November 2007 so I'm still going very strong. For me personally, it's the best career move I ever made (YMMV!!)
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Good luck, You've picked a not idea time, what with cuts etc. Just saying :-\
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Yeah, I know it's a risk, but It's a carefully considered one, I've spoken to a lot of people in making this decision. (My theory[^])
Simon [Need a software dev?]
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I found that most recruitment agencies will only deal with limited companies as it apparently shields them from some legal and financial issue (though I'm not clear exactly what). I'd have a call round a few places and ask them what their procedure is. I'm probably luckier than most; I've managed to find myself on a few long term contracts (the current one is over 2 years thanks to a few extensions) and I've suffered no downtime since November 2007 so I'm still going very strong. For me personally, it's the best career move I ever made (YMMV!!)
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
moon_stick wrote:
recruitment agencies will only deal with limited companie
Really, I've not come across that yet. But I have only dealt with 2 so far, so perhaps they are an oddity. (Or just haven't brought it up yet. Although I've definitely mentioned to one my plans to not go Ltd. so you'd think they'd have said something then.)
moon_stick wrote:
the best career move I ever made
That's what everyone says. I'm suspecting some kind selection bias going on there.
Simon [Need a software dev?]
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All the best Simon - If nothing works - then do not worry. 054m4 will give you shelter in caves and work - you might have to get use to AK-47.
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moon_stick wrote:
recruitment agencies will only deal with limited companie
Really, I've not come across that yet. But I have only dealt with 2 so far, so perhaps they are an oddity. (Or just haven't brought it up yet. Although I've definitely mentioned to one my plans to not go Ltd. so you'd think they'd have said something then.)
moon_stick wrote:
the best career move I ever made
That's what everyone says. I'm suspecting some kind selection bias going on there.
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Simon P Stevens wrote:
moon_stick wrote:
the best career move I ever made
That's what everyone says. I'm suspecting some kind selection bias going on there.
A little bit of maths helps here - assuming you have 4 weeks downtime a year, best case is: Rate £30ph Hours/week 40 Weeks/year 48 Turnover £57600 Salary £5715 Net Profit £51885 Corporation Tax @21% £10895.85 Available dividend £40989.15 Personal income £46704.15 Higher rate tax allowance £37000 Higher rate tax @23.5% £2280.48 Net take home pay £44423.67
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Joan Murt wrote:
Just curious: why have you quit?
I've always wanted to have my own company. Ultimately I want to build a product/app that I can sell, so I suppose contracting is just a route to get the freedom to get to that final goal.
Simon [Need a software dev?]
Simon P Stevens wrote:
Ultimately I want to build a product/app that I can sell, so I suppose contracting is just a route to get the freedom to get to that final goal.
Careful what you wish for. My experience has been that you work longer hours and more is expected of you, and you don't learn because you're expected to be an expert and so the company doesn't develop you. As far as the business side goes, it's a pain in the arse. Tax bills, cost claims, receipts, blah blah wuff wuff. If I were you I would have concentrated on using my free time to build up the creative side so that when you do have an idea you have the wherewithal to make it work. You're not gonna build up THAT much money contracting. You're better off concentrating on the idea and the implementation, and then you'll find someone who's willing to invest. Cart before the horse, dude.
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Simon P Stevens wrote:
moon_stick wrote:
the best career move I ever made
That's what everyone says. I'm suspecting some kind selection bias going on there.
A little bit of maths helps here - assuming you have 4 weeks downtime a year, best case is: Rate £30ph Hours/week 40 Weeks/year 48 Turnover £57600 Salary £5715 Net Profit £51885 Corporation Tax @21% £10895.85 Available dividend £40989.15 Personal income £46704.15 Higher rate tax allowance £37000 Higher rate tax @23.5% £2280.48 Net take home pay £44423.67
Sarchasm : The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
What I meant was I'm only hearing contractors say good things, but that's probably because those that fail go back to full time employment so I don't ask them.
moon_stick wrote:
4 weeks downtime a year...Rate £30ph
Woah. I've been working on the assumption of 12 weeks downtime (not holidays, just being pessimistic about gaps between work) and £37.50ph (Perhaps it's location dependant. Midlands based here). Works out at £60k turnover though, so almost the same figures in the end. Either way it gives me a net take home that's higher than my current gross income.
Simon [Need a software dev?]
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Simon P Stevens wrote:
Ultimately I want to build a product/app that I can sell, so I suppose contracting is just a route to get the freedom to get to that final goal.
Careful what you wish for. My experience has been that you work longer hours and more is expected of you, and you don't learn because you're expected to be an expert and so the company doesn't develop you. As far as the business side goes, it's a pain in the arse. Tax bills, cost claims, receipts, blah blah wuff wuff. If I were you I would have concentrated on using my free time to build up the creative side so that when you do have an idea you have the wherewithal to make it work. You're not gonna build up THAT much money contracting. You're better off concentrating on the idea and the implementation, and then you'll find someone who's willing to invest. Cart before the horse, dude.
Smokie, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. www.geticeberg.com
I know it's not all greener grass, but the journey is part of the fun. It's not all about the end goal, I want to try running my own company and this is my opportunity.
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