I am so embarrased
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It's an act, so is Sarah Palin. Hear out my theory: Obama is a great Republican President, and the Right wants him to win again. Aside from healthcare, he has done nothing of which he has promised the Left. There are numerous articles about how he gives too much to Conservatives when bargaining, meeting them on their side instead of the middle. Close Gitmo? Nope. Pull troops out of anywhere? Nope, let's get involved with Libya actually. The beauty lies in the fact that the Left will never criticize their great, unifying President who promised Change and Hope. He could practically tax the poor and they would still vote him in. He comes from the University of Chicago, who's economics department borders on libertarianism, or fiscal conservatism. (Think Milton Friedman) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school_of_economics[^] I'm saying this from an unbiased perspective as I dislike both parties equally, for different reasons. This is how I see it. http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/14/is-obama-a-republican[^] http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/02/obama-the-moderate-republican/[^]
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
I suspect Trump is only pretenting to run for president for money and attention. He's smart enough to know that birtherism is complete nonsense. Palin is in it only for the money and will probably not run.
wizardzz wrote:
Obama is a great Republican President, and the Right wants him to win again.
He is a center-right politician, but in the current version of the Republican party - no he is not acceptable.
wizardzz wrote:
The beauty lies in the fact that the Left will never criticize
Perhaps, if you define "the Left" as only those who would never criticize Obama, you would be right. There are plenty of progressives who criticize Obama - about the ACA, about his willingness to compromise before he even begins negotiations, about Libya, GITMO, the stimulus, Iraq, Afghanistan, the budget. The list goes on. The Republican field of potential presidential candidates is so weak, not because they want Obama to win, but because they've got nothing better.
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I suspect Trump is only pretenting to run for president for money and attention. He's smart enough to know that birtherism is complete nonsense. Palin is in it only for the money and will probably not run.
wizardzz wrote:
Obama is a great Republican President, and the Right wants him to win again.
He is a center-right politician, but in the current version of the Republican party - no he is not acceptable.
wizardzz wrote:
The beauty lies in the fact that the Left will never criticize
Perhaps, if you define "the Left" as only those who would never criticize Obama, you would be right. There are plenty of progressives who criticize Obama - about the ACA, about his willingness to compromise before he even begins negotiations, about Libya, GITMO, the stimulus, Iraq, Afghanistan, the budget. The list goes on. The Republican field of potential presidential candidates is so weak, not because they want Obama to win, but because they've got nothing better.
Majerus wrote:
Perhaps, if you define "the Left" as only those who would never criticize Obama, you would be right. There are plenty of progressives who criticize Obama - about the ACA, about his willingness to compromise before he even begins negotiations, about Libya, GITMO, the stimulus, Iraq, Afghanistan, the budget. The list goes on.
The "Left" I refer to is the mainstream Left, the common, central Democrats who constitute the majority of voters who were so fearful of Bushy that they are happy with any Democrat in office. Oh, and he's a minority, so he's super Liberal and relates to them... That kind of rationale is what's allowing him to hijack his Presidency away from the Left, not enough from his own party will try to hold him accountable.
Majerus wrote:
The Republican field of potential presidential candidates is so weak, not because they want Obama to win, but because they've got nothing better.
Meaning Obama is the best Republican Presidential? Taking into account both beliefs and likelihood of winning as criteria for "best."
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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Majerus wrote:
Perhaps, if you define "the Left" as only those who would never criticize Obama, you would be right. There are plenty of progressives who criticize Obama - about the ACA, about his willingness to compromise before he even begins negotiations, about Libya, GITMO, the stimulus, Iraq, Afghanistan, the budget. The list goes on.
The "Left" I refer to is the mainstream Left, the common, central Democrats who constitute the majority of voters who were so fearful of Bushy that they are happy with any Democrat in office. Oh, and he's a minority, so he's super Liberal and relates to them... That kind of rationale is what's allowing him to hijack his Presidency away from the Left, not enough from his own party will try to hold him accountable.
Majerus wrote:
The Republican field of potential presidential candidates is so weak, not because they want Obama to win, but because they've got nothing better.
Meaning Obama is the best Republican Presidential? Taking into account both beliefs and likelihood of winning as criteria for "best."
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
Then using that definition of the left, you are wrong. There are many progressives who though Bush was one of the worst presidents we have ever had and that a McCain presidency would be as bad or worse and do criticize Obama.
wizardzz wrote:
Oh, and he's a minority, so he's super Liberal and relates to them... That kind of rationale is what's allowing him to hijack his Presidency away from the Left
"he's a minority, so he's super liberal"? No. I'll grant you that a lot of people projected their expectations onto him and were wrong.
wizardzz wrote:
Meaning Obama is the best Republican Presidential?
Perhaps if this were the '60's. But not today. As bad as Obama is from a progressive perspective, he's simply not wingnut crazy enough for the teabagger base.
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Then using that definition of the left, you are wrong. There are many progressives who though Bush was one of the worst presidents we have ever had and that a McCain presidency would be as bad or worse and do criticize Obama.
wizardzz wrote:
Oh, and he's a minority, so he's super Liberal and relates to them... That kind of rationale is what's allowing him to hijack his Presidency away from the Left
"he's a minority, so he's super liberal"? No. I'll grant you that a lot of people projected their expectations onto him and were wrong.
wizardzz wrote:
Meaning Obama is the best Republican Presidential?
Perhaps if this were the '60's. But not today. As bad as Obama is from a progressive perspective, he's simply not wingnut crazy enough for the teabagger base.
Majerus wrote:
There are many progressives who though Bush was one of the worst presidents we have ever had and that a McCain presidency would be as bad or worse and do criticize Obama.
What I meant was mainstream Lefties. Yes if you follow political blogs or tv shows, you will see criticism, but not in mainstream media. Do you see Oprah criticizing him? She has more pull than vocal progressive political analysts because she doesn't just preach to a choir.
Majerus wrote:
As bad as Obama is from a progressive perspective, he's simply not wingnut crazy enough for the teabagger base.
Do you think the teabag movement represents the majority of Conservative voters? I think it's more of a vocal minority. Maybe the movement is just so small around here that the Republicans in my area are wise enough to go under radar. On the teabagger note, they do serve a great purpose of showing how far Right the political spectrum can go, which seems to be allowing Obama to almost appear Left of Center to the unwise, when he is probably more Right.
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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that Donald Trump is an American. We have a lot of truly stupid people in my country but today, Donald and his fellow retards, take the cake.
-- You don't hire a handyman to build a house, you hire a specialist.
to all of the above comments, I offer this one phrase about Obama or any of the rest of the current politicos. Their mouth is moving, therefore they are lying. All career politicians in my opinion are already bought and paid for by various lobby groups long before they are elected. They just say whatever sounds good to get in office. They know full well that this country is FULL of people who will vote strictly based on party lines regardless of the candidates personal beliefs or lack of accomplishments as they do not have the common sense to sort out what somebody really stands for. Here in my hometown we had a mayor for the last 20 years who robbed the city blind, who had more schemes and scams than any local politician I have ever heard of having at once. And guess who kept him in office? the very people he was robbing and screwing over. read that again people TWENTY years of this and the same people kept voting for him anyway. The same people that lost millions in tax money kept this fool in office. The city schools are now complete and total useless daycare centers run by gangs. because of this mayors buddies running the system. Guess what? They are still there!!!!!! The mayor stepped down is the only reason hes not. The above story applies to the country as a whole I'm sad to say. Common sense is a thing of the past.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
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Majerus wrote:
There are many progressives who though Bush was one of the worst presidents we have ever had and that a McCain presidency would be as bad or worse and do criticize Obama.
What I meant was mainstream Lefties. Yes if you follow political blogs or tv shows, you will see criticism, but not in mainstream media. Do you see Oprah criticizing him? She has more pull than vocal progressive political analysts because she doesn't just preach to a choir.
Majerus wrote:
As bad as Obama is from a progressive perspective, he's simply not wingnut crazy enough for the teabagger base.
Do you think the teabag movement represents the majority of Conservative voters? I think it's more of a vocal minority. Maybe the movement is just so small around here that the Republicans in my area are wise enough to go under radar. On the teabagger note, they do serve a great purpose of showing how far Right the political spectrum can go, which seems to be allowing Obama to almost appear Left of Center to the unwise, when he is probably more Right.
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
wizardzz wrote:
What I meant was mainstream Lefties. Yes if you follow political blogs or tv shows, you will see criticism, but not in mainstream media. Do you see Oprah criticizing him? She has more pull than vocal progressive political analysts because she doesn't just preach to a choir.
So "mainstream lefties" are the MSM and Oprah? You have an odd idea of what constitutes the left. The MSM is not "leftist", but it is extremely deferential to authority - whether Bush or Obama. Perhaps you point is simply that progessives don't have much of a voice within the MSM - on that I will agree with you.
wizardzz wrote:
Do you think the teabag movement represents the majority of Conservative voters?
No, but they and their astroturf funders have a big enough voice to pull the Republican party way into wingnut territory. It's no suprise that Trump polls well with Repubicans vs other potential Republican candidates.
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wizardzz wrote:
What I meant was mainstream Lefties. Yes if you follow political blogs or tv shows, you will see criticism, but not in mainstream media. Do you see Oprah criticizing him? She has more pull than vocal progressive political analysts because she doesn't just preach to a choir.
So "mainstream lefties" are the MSM and Oprah? You have an odd idea of what constitutes the left. The MSM is not "leftist", but it is extremely deferential to authority - whether Bush or Obama. Perhaps you point is simply that progessives don't have much of a voice within the MSM - on that I will agree with you.
wizardzz wrote:
Do you think the teabag movement represents the majority of Conservative voters?
No, but they and their astroturf funders have a big enough voice to pull the Republican party way into wingnut territory. It's no suprise that Trump polls well with Repubicans vs other potential Republican candidates.
Majerus wrote:
So "mainstream lefties" are the MSM and Oprah? You have an odd idea of what constitutes the left. The MSM is not "leftist", but it is extremely deferential to authority - whether Bush or Obama
I feel like because you're looking from within the political spectrum, you can't see it clearly. As a supporter of NEITHER party, I can say, without a doubt, that mainstream media (aside from FOX news, however, local affiliates don't always echo the news network) favored Obama. Without question.
Majerus wrote:
Perhaps you point is simply that progessives don't have much of a voice within the MSM - on that I will agree with you.
Perhaps true, could explain H. Clinton's loss of support.
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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to all of the above comments, I offer this one phrase about Obama or any of the rest of the current politicos. Their mouth is moving, therefore they are lying. All career politicians in my opinion are already bought and paid for by various lobby groups long before they are elected. They just say whatever sounds good to get in office. They know full well that this country is FULL of people who will vote strictly based on party lines regardless of the candidates personal beliefs or lack of accomplishments as they do not have the common sense to sort out what somebody really stands for. Here in my hometown we had a mayor for the last 20 years who robbed the city blind, who had more schemes and scams than any local politician I have ever heard of having at once. And guess who kept him in office? the very people he was robbing and screwing over. read that again people TWENTY years of this and the same people kept voting for him anyway. The same people that lost millions in tax money kept this fool in office. The city schools are now complete and total useless daycare centers run by gangs. because of this mayors buddies running the system. Guess what? They are still there!!!!!! The mayor stepped down is the only reason hes not. The above story applies to the country as a whole I'm sad to say. Common sense is a thing of the past.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
gavindon wrote:
Their mouth is moving, therefore they are lying.
Like a magician, forget what they are saying and watch their hands. Usually intercepts the money trail.
gavindon wrote:
Here in my hometown we had a mayor for the last 20 years who robbed the city blind, who had more schemes and scams than any local politician I have ever heard of having at once. And guess who kept him in office? the very people he was robbing and screwing over. read that again people TWENTY years of this and the same people kept voting for him anyway. The same people that lost millions in tax money kept this fool in office. The city schools are now complete and total useless daycare centers run by gangs. because of this mayors buddies running the system. Guess what? They are still there!!!!!! The mayor stepped down is the only reason hes not.
The above story applies to the country as a whole I'm sad to say. Common sense is a thing of the past.Ah, fellow Chicagoan? Sorry to hear that...
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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Majerus wrote:
So "mainstream lefties" are the MSM and Oprah? You have an odd idea of what constitutes the left. The MSM is not "leftist", but it is extremely deferential to authority - whether Bush or Obama
I feel like because you're looking from within the political spectrum, you can't see it clearly. As a supporter of NEITHER party, I can say, without a doubt, that mainstream media (aside from FOX news, however, local affiliates don't always echo the news network) favored Obama. Without question.
Majerus wrote:
Perhaps you point is simply that progessives don't have much of a voice within the MSM - on that I will agree with you.
Perhaps true, could explain H. Clinton's loss of support.
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
"Favor Obama"? You'll have to be more clear in your meaning. Favoring Obama does not imply liberal or progressive leaning. It is deferential to authority, that was as true with Bush as it is with Obama.
wizardzz wrote:
Perhaps true, could explain H. Clinton's loss of support.
Perhaps your self professed outsider position explains your confusion here. Hilary Clinton is not what I would call a progressive, though she is probably slightly to the left of Obama. [EDIT]
wizardzz wrote:
As a supporter of NEITHER party
Really? What does that mean? Do you not vote in national elections? If you do you're going to be voting for one or the other. I guess it's possible that you live a locality that has a nice selection of 3rd party candidates for you to vote for. Perhaps you do vote for Republicans and Democrats equally, but for self-identified independents that is the exeception, not the rule. [/EDIT]
modified on Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM
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gavindon wrote:
Their mouth is moving, therefore they are lying.
Like a magician, forget what they are saying and watch their hands. Usually intercepts the money trail.
gavindon wrote:
Here in my hometown we had a mayor for the last 20 years who robbed the city blind, who had more schemes and scams than any local politician I have ever heard of having at once. And guess who kept him in office? the very people he was robbing and screwing over. read that again people TWENTY years of this and the same people kept voting for him anyway. The same people that lost millions in tax money kept this fool in office. The city schools are now complete and total useless daycare centers run by gangs. because of this mayors buddies running the system. Guess what? They are still there!!!!!! The mayor stepped down is the only reason hes not.
The above story applies to the country as a whole I'm sad to say. Common sense is a thing of the past.Ah, fellow Chicagoan? Sorry to hear that...
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
wizardzz wrote:
Ah, fellow Chicagoan? Sorry to hear that...
nope nope, few hours almost due south..
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
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"Favor Obama"? You'll have to be more clear in your meaning. Favoring Obama does not imply liberal or progressive leaning. It is deferential to authority, that was as true with Bush as it is with Obama.
wizardzz wrote:
Perhaps true, could explain H. Clinton's loss of support.
Perhaps your self professed outsider position explains your confusion here. Hilary Clinton is not what I would call a progressive, though she is probably slightly to the left of Obama. [EDIT]
wizardzz wrote:
As a supporter of NEITHER party
Really? What does that mean? Do you not vote in national elections? If you do you're going to be voting for one or the other. I guess it's possible that you live a locality that has a nice selection of 3rd party candidates for you to vote for. Perhaps you do vote for Republicans and Democrats equally, but for self-identified independents that is the exeception, not the rule. [/EDIT]
modified on Tuesday, April 26, 2011 1:52 PM
Majerus wrote:
It is deferential to authority, that was as true with Bush as it is with Obama.
I'm talking about during the '08 election night and the previous few days in particular. It was not a simple case of being deferential to authority, that may be clouded or selective memory. I wanted Bush out probably as much as you, yet I also remember a high amount of mainstream criticism from '02-08. I do not see that in the mainstream now, even though little to nothing has changed with Obama.
Majerus wrote:
Hilary Clinton is not what I would call a progressive, though she is probably slightly to the left of Obama.
I see that she is Left of Obama. Just so I can gauge your spectrum, and this may be an assumption, (that you are quite unhappy with Obama), so who would be your favored, most Progressive nomination?
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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wizardzz wrote:
Ah, fellow Chicagoan? Sorry to hear that...
nope nope, few hours almost due south..
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
Ah, same political backdrop. I bet it's one of those unfortunate towns that little Dick Daley shipped all the public housing folks to, like Decatur.
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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Majerus wrote:
It is deferential to authority, that was as true with Bush as it is with Obama.
I'm talking about during the '08 election night and the previous few days in particular. It was not a simple case of being deferential to authority, that may be clouded or selective memory. I wanted Bush out probably as much as you, yet I also remember a high amount of mainstream criticism from '02-08. I do not see that in the mainstream now, even though little to nothing has changed with Obama.
Majerus wrote:
Hilary Clinton is not what I would call a progressive, though she is probably slightly to the left of Obama.
I see that she is Left of Obama. Just so I can gauge your spectrum, and this may be an assumption, (that you are quite unhappy with Obama), so who would be your favored, most Progressive nomination?
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
wizardzz wrote:
that may be clouded or selective memory
What I remember is a complete lack critical inquery into the leadup to the war in Iraq, uncritical acceptance of the WMD lie, lack of interest in Bush illegal wiretapping, a complete refusal to acknowledge the torture that went on - to the extent that the word torture would never be used. I could go on. Perhaps there was some criticism in the lead up to the election, even the Republicans were distancing themselves from Bush. And remember he was not even a candidate in that election.
wizardzz wrote:
I see that she is Left of Obama. Just so I can gauge your spectrum, and this may be an assumption, (that you are quite unhappy with Obama), so who would be your favored, most Progressive nomination?
I honestly haven't given it a lot of thought. There is not likely to be a serious attempt to contest the sitting president's nomination.
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Ah, same political backdrop. I bet it's one of those unfortunate towns that little Dick Daley shipped all the public housing folks to, like Decatur.
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
wizardzz wrote:
Ah, same political backdrop
pretty much
wizardzz wrote:
bet it's one of those unfortunate towns that little Dick Daley shipped all the public housing folks to, like Decatur.
little far to the east :)Memphis, TN actually. I am in fact one of the suburbanites sorta.(actually a good ways out in the bushes outside town.) Refuse to live inside city limits.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
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wizardzz wrote:
that may be clouded or selective memory
What I remember is a complete lack critical inquery into the leadup to the war in Iraq, uncritical acceptance of the WMD lie, lack of interest in Bush illegal wiretapping, a complete refusal to acknowledge the torture that went on - to the extent that the word torture would never be used. I could go on. Perhaps there was some criticism in the lead up to the election, even the Republicans were distancing themselves from Bush. And remember he was not even a candidate in that election.
wizardzz wrote:
I see that she is Left of Obama. Just so I can gauge your spectrum, and this may be an assumption, (that you are quite unhappy with Obama), so who would be your favored, most Progressive nomination?
I honestly haven't given it a lot of thought. There is not likely to be a serious attempt to contest the sitting president's nomination.
Well thank you for quoting me completely out of context there, as the selective memory statement was referring to the election.
Majerus wrote:
lack critical inquery into the leadup to the war in Iraq, uncritical acceptance of the WMD lie, lack of interest in Bush illegal wiretapping, a complete refusal to acknowledge the torture that went on - to the extent that the word torture would never be used.
The press did address these things when they were known, but keep in mind Assange wasn't up and running full steam at the time, and much of it was top secret. To criticize the press for lack of action at the time, when knowledge of such things only came to exist more recently is unfair. I think a lot of what you are mentioning here may be directed at many of the Democrats at the time for doing nothing about it, not probing deeper. However, since all of these things continue under Obama, I think they provide a benefit to the leaders of the government's ability to monitor and control, regardless of which party is steering the ship. Things like torture, Gitmo, any type of wiretapping will always exist; no President will give up those abilities.
Majerus wrote:
I honestly haven't given it a lot of thought. There is not likely to be a serious attempt to contest the sitting president's nomination.
Obviously not, I was just trying to gauge your location on the wide political spectrum.
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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wizardzz wrote:
Ah, same political backdrop
pretty much
wizardzz wrote:
bet it's one of those unfortunate towns that little Dick Daley shipped all the public housing folks to, like Decatur.
little far to the east :)Memphis, TN actually. I am in fact one of the suburbanites sorta.(actually a good ways out in the bushes outside town.) Refuse to live inside city limits.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
gavindon wrote:
Memphis, TN actually
Ouch, I'm sorry to hear that gavin. I visited Nashville and loved it, but I've heard some pretty bad things about Memphis, enough to keep me from visiting actually!
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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gavindon wrote:
Memphis, TN actually
Ouch, I'm sorry to hear that gavin. I visited Nashville and loved it, but I've heard some pretty bad things about Memphis, enough to keep me from visiting actually!
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
lol I've been here over 15 years, built a heck of a lot of bridges around town. There used to be a lot of great things in Memphis, but it has degraded greatly in the last decade. I actually crossed the state line and live out in the bushes in MS. I work wherever the work is( currently in an outlying town) and do most of my shopping in the burbs. I try to stay out of Memphis proper as much as possible since I don't currently have a concealed permit....... I have considered a move completely out of the area but being still so new in my new career, Don't have a lot of job prospects that make it worthwhile as of yet. In a couple of years, moving could be an option maybe. Was considering a move out while I was still in construction, but the economy dumped right about the time I Was getting serious about it. So back to school and the new career instead.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
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lol I've been here over 15 years, built a heck of a lot of bridges around town. There used to be a lot of great things in Memphis, but it has degraded greatly in the last decade. I actually crossed the state line and live out in the bushes in MS. I work wherever the work is( currently in an outlying town) and do most of my shopping in the burbs. I try to stay out of Memphis proper as much as possible since I don't currently have a concealed permit....... I have considered a move completely out of the area but being still so new in my new career, Don't have a lot of job prospects that make it worthwhile as of yet. In a couple of years, moving could be an option maybe. Was considering a move out while I was still in construction, but the economy dumped right about the time I Was getting serious about it. So back to school and the new career instead.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
I have seen you around the Lounge so I am somewhat familiar with your transition to coding, but I must say, you are quite the role model for a lot of Americans right now. Moving from labor / construction / physical work to intellectual work is something that can pull us out of this mess, but the inertia to do so is hard for many people. I've been in the field professionally for 8 years, and have never come across some that has done it. If you're willing to relocate, then you will have a much better time finding work, too. Heck, some people get gigs through this site, or so I hear... :suss:
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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I have seen you around the Lounge so I am somewhat familiar with your transition to coding, but I must say, you are quite the role model for a lot of Americans right now. Moving from labor / construction / physical work to intellectual work is something that can pull us out of this mess, but the inertia to do so is hard for many people. I've been in the field professionally for 8 years, and have never come across some that has done it. If you're willing to relocate, then you will have a much better time finding work, too. Heck, some people get gigs through this site, or so I hear... :suss:
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
well to be honest I wasn't just a total shovel swinger, I was a crane operator, which takes a high level of skill and a few brains. As far as relocating, yeah its a possibility, but until I finish my Bach degree, I don't see a lot of hope for the pay being high enough to make a move worthwhile. I landed a lucky shot to be honest where I just started(at just under 50k, for an associates degree and one year exp, I can live with it) and while its so far over my head I can't see straight,(last guy to work on this project was self taught, he didn't teach himself about comments or naming conventions) Two years ago I didn't know what c# or asp was. I'll get it figured out.. lol I got the job however due to it being a small small world. I was a student worker at my school in the tech department. My boss there as it turned out, worked with my new current boss 10 years ago. When I did this interview I mentioned the boss at the school in passing and this guy called that one's cellphone... Gave me a ripping good review and I received the call the next morning making the offer. So until I get better I'll stick it out here and finish my bach degree I think.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
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well to be honest I wasn't just a total shovel swinger, I was a crane operator, which takes a high level of skill and a few brains. As far as relocating, yeah its a possibility, but until I finish my Bach degree, I don't see a lot of hope for the pay being high enough to make a move worthwhile. I landed a lucky shot to be honest where I just started(at just under 50k, for an associates degree and one year exp, I can live with it) and while its so far over my head I can't see straight,(last guy to work on this project was self taught, he didn't teach himself about comments or naming conventions) Two years ago I didn't know what c# or asp was. I'll get it figured out.. lol I got the job however due to it being a small small world. I was a student worker at my school in the tech department. My boss there as it turned out, worked with my new current boss 10 years ago. When I did this interview I mentioned the boss at the school in passing and this guy called that one's cellphone... Gave me a ripping good review and I received the call the next morning making the offer. So until I get better I'll stick it out here and finish my bach degree I think.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning.
gavindon wrote:
well to be honest I wasn't just a total shovel swinger, I was a crane operator, which takes a high level of skill and a few brains.
Sorry if I sold you short there, didn't mean to throw you all together. I just meant that the industries of physically building things in this country will never be what it was.
gavindon wrote:
I landed a lucky shot to be honest where I just started(at just under 50k, for an associates degree and one year exp, I can live with it)
That's a great offer in my opinion, seriously that's where I started out after college (Bachelors) 5 years ago, just stick with it and kick ass, soon enough you'll be making double that!
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