vs2010... redux [modified]
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oh.my.god. vs2010 ... still the biggest pile of crap i've seen since kdevelop v1.0 what's with the window layout? mdi workspace anybody? color schemes? changing the window positions to how *i* want them? this is really the future of development using MS tools?? *shakes head* utterly appalling [edit] current line highlighting anyone? W.T.F. are these people on??? really? every editor i've used since 1995 has current line highlighting ... vs2010 still doesn't???? utterly and absolutely appalling [/edit]
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
modified on Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:11 PM
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oh.my.god. vs2010 ... still the biggest pile of crap i've seen since kdevelop v1.0 what's with the window layout? mdi workspace anybody? color schemes? changing the window positions to how *i* want them? this is really the future of development using MS tools?? *shakes head* utterly appalling [edit] current line highlighting anyone? W.T.F. are these people on??? really? every editor i've used since 1995 has current line highlighting ... vs2010 still doesn't???? utterly and absolutely appalling [/edit]
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
modified on Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:11 PM
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Plus , They Drop (Compact framework support ) windows Mobile Platform , Simulation.
I know nothing , I know nothing ...
Your profile shows it as : I Believe In GOD The man who sold the world :-D
Regards, Nish
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oh.my.god. vs2010 ... still the biggest pile of crap i've seen since kdevelop v1.0 what's with the window layout? mdi workspace anybody? color schemes? changing the window positions to how *i* want them? this is really the future of development using MS tools?? *shakes head* utterly appalling [edit] current line highlighting anyone? W.T.F. are these people on??? really? every editor i've used since 1995 has current line highlighting ... vs2010 still doesn't???? utterly and absolutely appalling [/edit]
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
modified on Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:11 PM
Yep, 100% in accord with you. the IDE is crap.
Watched code never compiles.
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I remember using vi as an e-mail "client". Nowadays it's all talk about tungsten carbide drills.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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I remember using vi as an e-mail "client". Nowadays it's all talk about tungsten carbide drills.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]So do I - I had managed to forget all about that - and email was only internal to the company as well! I remember emailing my application for redundancy to HR, and them being miffed when I could prove that not only had they received it, but when they read it, and who read it... :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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Your profile shows it as : I Believe In GOD The man who sold the world :-D
Regards, Nish
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Aha OK , never mind the reply email , I got it ! :rose:
I know nothing , I know nothing ...
I Believe In GOD wrote:
I know nothing , I know nothing ...
For a guy who says he knows nothing, you sure do talk a lot about this god stuff!
I Believe In GOD wrote:
When someone believe in GOD ,
He really sold the world , because his reward will be the heaven , not this Cruel world !Alright, just kidding you :-D
Regards, Nish
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I Believe In GOD wrote:
I know nothing , I know nothing ...
For a guy who says he knows nothing, you sure do talk a lot about this god stuff!
I Believe In GOD wrote:
When someone believe in GOD ,
He really sold the world , because his reward will be the heaven , not this Cruel world !Alright, just kidding you :-D
Regards, Nish
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:)
Regards, Nish
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oh.my.god. vs2010 ... still the biggest pile of crap i've seen since kdevelop v1.0 what's with the window layout? mdi workspace anybody? color schemes? changing the window positions to how *i* want them? this is really the future of development using MS tools?? *shakes head* utterly appalling [edit] current line highlighting anyone? W.T.F. are these people on??? really? every editor i've used since 1995 has current line highlighting ... vs2010 still doesn't???? utterly and absolutely appalling [/edit]
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
modified on Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:11 PM
l a u r e n wrote:
mdi workspace anybody?
I too sorely missed this. However, I found the ability to move a source file to a new vertical tab (thereby allowing me to see two source views side by side - which is pretty much how I used pre-VS2010 MDI) to be an acceptable workaround. I also recommend that you install these (free) extensions. I can't live without them anymore!
/ravi
My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com
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Yep - that's one of my biggest complaints as well. I *like* the MDI interface. The reason it's not there is because the IDE is written in WPF, and WPF isn't MDI-friendly. There are other reasons it's a steaming pile as well, but I figured I'd leave the discovery phase in your hands. FWIW, I posted some VS2010 bugs on MSDN Connect, and was told that they weren't going to fix them for VS2010, and that they might not even be fixed for the next version. Thank you for using development tools from Microsoft - where management is an even bigger tool.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997FTFY: Thank you for using development tools from Microsoft - we're Microsoft and you're not.
Best wishes, Hans
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oh.my.god. vs2010 ... still the biggest pile of crap i've seen since kdevelop v1.0 what's with the window layout? mdi workspace anybody? color schemes? changing the window positions to how *i* want them? this is really the future of development using MS tools?? *shakes head* utterly appalling [edit] current line highlighting anyone? W.T.F. are these people on??? really? every editor i've used since 1995 has current line highlighting ... vs2010 still doesn't???? utterly and absolutely appalling [/edit]
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
modified on Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:11 PM
I have no choice about this with some clients, so I'll just let you know right now: it gets worse the more you use it. Take macros, for example. I have a bunch I've been using for years. In VS2008, I have a nice little toolbar, with a button for each macro. In VS2010, that same toolbar would fill half the screen. Why?, you ask. It's because in VS2010 there's no way to assign an icon to a toolbar command, so you're stuck with a huge long text button. I keep reading blogs of Microsofties, but I haven't yet found one that says: "I was just fired from Microsoft because of the crappy job I did on the VS2010 IDE." I will keep reading until I do.
Best wishes, Hans
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oh.my.god. vs2010 ... still the biggest pile of crap i've seen since kdevelop v1.0 what's with the window layout? mdi workspace anybody? color schemes? changing the window positions to how *i* want them? this is really the future of development using MS tools?? *shakes head* utterly appalling [edit] current line highlighting anyone? W.T.F. are these people on??? really? every editor i've used since 1995 has current line highlighting ... vs2010 still doesn't???? utterly and absolutely appalling [/edit]
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
modified on Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:11 PM
I can't think of a single good reason to upgrade to VS2010 and will avoid it all costs. All I hear are scare-stories and tales of negative experiences. VS2008 does the job for my C++ work (and I have no interest C++0x at the moment) so hopefully I can carry on like this for a few more years. Thankfully I don't need the latest and greatest MS frameworks and my future is going to be spent doing a lot more Unix and web work so maybe VS2008 will be the last MS development environment I ever use.
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oh.my.god. vs2010 ... still the biggest pile of crap i've seen since kdevelop v1.0 what's with the window layout? mdi workspace anybody? color schemes? changing the window positions to how *i* want them? this is really the future of development using MS tools?? *shakes head* utterly appalling [edit] current line highlighting anyone? W.T.F. are these people on??? really? every editor i've used since 1995 has current line highlighting ... vs2010 still doesn't???? utterly and absolutely appalling [/edit]
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
modified on Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:11 PM
l a u r e n wrote:
current line highlighting anyone? W.T.F. are these people on??? really? every editor i've used since 1995 has current line highlighting ... vs2010 still doesn't???? utterly and absolutely appalling
You get this with the Power Commands extension (which admittedly should have really been part of the standard install). /ravi
My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com
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I'm not a masochist: just because it's there, doesn't mean I have to use it! ;)
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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oh.my.god. vs2010 ... still the biggest pile of crap i've seen since kdevelop v1.0 what's with the window layout? mdi workspace anybody? color schemes? changing the window positions to how *i* want them? this is really the future of development using MS tools?? *shakes head* utterly appalling [edit] current line highlighting anyone? W.T.F. are these people on??? really? every editor i've used since 1995 has current line highlighting ... vs2010 still doesn't???? utterly and absolutely appalling [/edit]
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
modified on Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:11 PM
It's been WPFed (or it that WTFed?). Crap, really. We're sticking with VS2008 until a fully compliant C++ 11 compiler arrives in the shape of VS2012 (or whatever it ends up called) whereupon we'll have to put up with the UI. IIRC current line hightlighting is somewhere in the options. Can't remember where though.
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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I have no choice about this with some clients, so I'll just let you know right now: it gets worse the more you use it. Take macros, for example. I have a bunch I've been using for years. In VS2008, I have a nice little toolbar, with a button for each macro. In VS2010, that same toolbar would fill half the screen. Why?, you ask. It's because in VS2010 there's no way to assign an icon to a toolbar command, so you're stuck with a huge long text button. I keep reading blogs of Microsofties, but I haven't yet found one that says: "I was just fired from Microsoft because of the crappy job I did on the VS2010 IDE." I will keep reading until I do.
Best wishes, Hans
The toolbar command button thing is a pain, but I'm pretty sure it was fixed in the RTM. Unfortunately by then we'd ported Visual Lint[^] to a VSX package implementation which uses the lower level interfaces used by language services themselves. However, ResOrg 2.0[^] seems to have no problems with command buttons in VS2010, and given that it uses the automation interfaces macros also use for all versions of Visual Studio it's a pretty safe bet it should work for your macros, at least in the RTM.
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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I can't think of a single good reason to upgrade to VS2010 and will avoid it all costs. All I hear are scare-stories and tales of negative experiences. VS2008 does the job for my C++ work (and I have no interest C++0x at the moment) so hopefully I can carry on like this for a few more years. Thankfully I don't need the latest and greatest MS frameworks and my future is going to be spent doing a lot more Unix and web work so maybe VS2008 will be the last MS development environment I ever use.
Marginally OT, but last month we saw a very interesting presentation by Scott Meyers on Move Semantics (move constructors, r-value references etc.) in C++ 11. I'd not paid them much attention until then, but from what I can see they're a win-win feature - they eliminate unnecessary copy operations and thus can boost the speed of your code significantly. The best bit is this is something you can add support for incrementally and the compiler will just figure out when they can be used or when conventional copy assignment/constructors should be called instead. The code just keeps working, but gets faster.
Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
