Ding, Dong, The Witch Is Dead...
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So a man who fought for what he believed in was murdered in cold blood by the "enlightened" West, and will now be replaced by another man who is willing to fight for what he believes in -- with the added bonus that the new guy will want to avenge the first guy's death. Yeah. Let's party. Great idea.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
who fought for what he believed
I fail to see the relevance of that, the depth of his belief is not at issue nor is his religion, it his actions that I believe justify the lengths taken to remove him from the planet. How can it possibly be murder to kill someone like this, he himself declared he is at war and he was killed (presumably) by the enemy on that war.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
who fought for what he believed
I fail to see the relevance of that, the depth of his belief is not at issue nor is his religion, it his actions that I believe justify the lengths taken to remove him from the planet. How can it possibly be murder to kill someone like this, he himself declared he is at war and he was killed (presumably) by the enemy on that war.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Sure, you hate him, and you've got good reason to. Unfortunately, he and others like him also hate you, because of the power that has been given to capitalism, which, never forget, is an evil according to every religion on the planet. How many times does it have to be said that hatred cannot be cured by bullets and bombs? Killing him in such an un-Christian way, does not, and will not, make things better. Expect worse to come, because all that blind hatred can do is make things worse. It's only when you try to understand why people hate you that you can begin to make things better.
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You , and your country are the evil one ! And Lucifer him self came to take lessons from you !
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I Believe In GOD wrote:
You , and your country are the evil one !
And Lucifer him self came to take lessons from you !Unfortunately, that's a belief that has a solid religious grounding, so expect to hear a lot more like it. This "I Believe in GOD" guy might be the nicest guy on the planet, with a great family and wonderful children, but we'll never know him, because all we can do is revile his beliefs in our guided rush to support something that even our national religions define as evil. One thing that sticks out to me is that he calls himself "I Believe in GOD", not "GOD is on our side!". Generally, its the godless who shout out that God is on their side. People who believe in God do it the other way round -- they try to be on God's side.
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Sure, you hate him, and you've got good reason to. Unfortunately, he and others like him also hate you, because of the power that has been given to capitalism, which, never forget, is an evil according to every religion on the planet. How many times does it have to be said that hatred cannot be cured by bullets and bombs? Killing him in such an un-Christian way, does not, and will not, make things better. Expect worse to come, because all that blind hatred can do is make things worse. It's only when you try to understand why people hate you that you can begin to make things better.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I take it your line is one of appeasement? How very craven of you.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Osama Bin Laden[^] is finally dead. It's wrong to celebrate death, but the death of evil incarnate is a cause for rejoicing! :-D
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I Believe In GOD wrote:
You , and your country are the evil one !
And Lucifer him self came to take lessons from you !Unfortunately, that's a belief that has a solid religious grounding, so expect to hear a lot more like it. This "I Believe in GOD" guy might be the nicest guy on the planet, with a great family and wonderful children, but we'll never know him, because all we can do is revile his beliefs in our guided rush to support something that even our national religions define as evil. One thing that sticks out to me is that he calls himself "I Believe in GOD", not "GOD is on our side!". Generally, its the godless who shout out that God is on their side. People who believe in God do it the other way round -- they try to be on God's side.
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I take it your line is one of appeasement? How very craven of you.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
digital man wrote:
I take it your line is one of appeasement? How very craven of you.
I take it your line is one of killing as many people as possible, on both sides. How very clever of you. As long as people consider other people as inferior or less than human, there is no possibility of stopping the killing. The point is that all people are just people with different opinions. Until they start considering the opinions of those who disagree with them, there will be just more and more killing -- more and more bombs killing innocent civilians and nasty men alike, whether "Eastern terrorist" bombs or "righteous Western" bombs. It ain't rocket surgery: If you want your kids to live in fear, support the continuation of the killing. If you don't, start talking to people, and actually listen to what they're saying. Bin Laden's people don't believe they're evil; they believe they're fighting evil, so, in their eyes, their actions are every bit as justified as we believe ours are. If we don't try to understand that, we're just condemning our (and their) children to horrible deaths. I'd say that the coward is the man who will refuse to meet such responsibility as an adult.
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There are people who search for a god who happens to have the same prejudices as them.
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Trollslayer wrote:
There are people who search for a god who happens to have the same prejudices as them.
Too true. Unfortunately, the Cristian God is used to support any and all prejudices, so the warmongers on our side are just the same as the warmongers on theirs.
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Sure, you hate him, and you've got good reason to. Unfortunately, he and others like him also hate you, because of the power that has been given to capitalism, which, never forget, is an evil according to every religion on the planet. How many times does it have to be said that hatred cannot be cured by bullets and bombs? Killing him in such an un-Christian way, does not, and will not, make things better. Expect worse to come, because all that blind hatred can do is make things worse. It's only when you try to understand why people hate you that you can begin to make things better.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to differ you see I'm not a Christian, agnostic at best, IMHO all of the major (and probably the minor) faiths are flawed. I don't care how strong your beleifs are or even what you beleive in just keep them to yourself. I think that past a certain point talking is a waste of hot air. I have no problem talking to muslims or any religious person, it extremists and fanatics of all kinds I have a problem with.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Trollslayer wrote:
There are people who search for a god who happens to have the same prejudices as them.
Too true. Unfortunately, the Cristian God is used to support any and all prejudices, so the warmongers on our side are just the same as the warmongers on theirs.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
so the warmongers on our side are just the same as the warmongers on theirs.
Too true.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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digital man wrote:
I take it your line is one of appeasement? How very craven of you.
I take it your line is one of killing as many people as possible, on both sides. How very clever of you. As long as people consider other people as inferior or less than human, there is no possibility of stopping the killing. The point is that all people are just people with different opinions. Until they start considering the opinions of those who disagree with them, there will be just more and more killing -- more and more bombs killing innocent civilians and nasty men alike, whether "Eastern terrorist" bombs or "righteous Western" bombs. It ain't rocket surgery: If you want your kids to live in fear, support the continuation of the killing. If you don't, start talking to people, and actually listen to what they're saying. Bin Laden's people don't believe they're evil; they believe they're fighting evil, so, in their eyes, their actions are every bit as justified as we believe ours are. If we don't try to understand that, we're just condemning our (and their) children to horrible deaths. I'd say that the coward is the man who will refuse to meet such responsibility as an adult.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark Wallace wrote:
I take it your line is one of killing as many people as possible, on both sides.
Don't believe I said that and no, it isn't. However, when faced with an intractable enemy that will never compromise or change the way that they think and whose dictum is to kill me and mine then yes, I will strike first and hard to protect me and mine. If you wish to turn the other cheek then be my guest but don't include me in your cowardice: you should simply roll over and see if they tickle your tummy.
Mark Wallace wrote:
Bin Laden's people don't believe they're evil; they believe they're fighting evil, so, in their eyes, their actions are every bit as justified as we believe ours are. If we don't try to understand that, we're just condemning our (and their) children to horrible deaths.
That does not matter: unless you are prepared to give in to what they want they will never stop until they do get what they want. I'm astonished at how naive such a purportedly intelligent man can be.
Mark Wallace wrote:
I'd say that the coward is the man who will refuse to meet such responsibility as an adult.
And I would say it is cowardly to allow a situation to develop that can threaten you and yours from such lunatics. At least I would have the courage to stand up to them whereas you appear to want to sit down and talk and reach a compromise. There is no compromise with these people: they are utterly alien to us and no matter what you give them they will want more until they have it all. Your bizarre morality will be the death of you.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to differ you see I'm not a Christian, agnostic at best, IMHO all of the major (and probably the minor) faiths are flawed. I don't care how strong your beleifs are or even what you beleive in just keep them to yourself. I think that past a certain point talking is a waste of hot air. I have no problem talking to muslims or any religious person, it extremists and fanatics of all kinds I have a problem with.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
I have no problem talking to muslims or any religious person, it extremists and fanatics of all kinds I have a problem with.
Spot on. The trouble is that it's those people who are the most listened to and publicised. Wild invective must be more interesting than common sense, for many people.
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It's interesting that he has been in Pakistan for so long.
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... and very close to Islamabad. In a garrison town. Just saying #whistles#
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... and very close to Islamabad. In a garrison town. Just saying #whistles#
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)
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Roger Wright wrote:
These people are not Muslims; they're sociopathic mass murderers who take on the colors of a peaceful faith in order to mask the true nature of their actions.
Actually, they're religious people, whose religion says the same thing that all religions say: that capitalism is evil and the work of the devil. I really find it difficult to classify someone as evil if he's is willing to die in the fight against what he believes to be evil. Celebrating the death (or, in this case, cold-blooded murder which involved the murder of thousands upon thousands of others as "collateral damage") of such a man should hardly be a recommended pastime for Christians, whose own son of God himself once destroyed a temple of capitalism, so will probably welcome into Heaven others who fight against the same evil. A lot of people need to do a lot of serious thinking about whom and what they're supporting, and whom and what they're hating.
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I love my country (Capitalism and all of it) and I am glad we killed OBL. If that makes me evil than I guess I'm a Satan worshiper then.
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Wonder if they have indisputable evidence?
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932They made damned sure they got the body.
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Wonder if they have indisputable evidence?
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011
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Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach
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Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo!
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Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932They made damned sure they got the body, though of course some people will refute it is his.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
I take it your line is one of killing as many people as possible, on both sides.
Don't believe I said that and no, it isn't. However, when faced with an intractable enemy that will never compromise or change the way that they think and whose dictum is to kill me and mine then yes, I will strike first and hard to protect me and mine. If you wish to turn the other cheek then be my guest but don't include me in your cowardice: you should simply roll over and see if they tickle your tummy.
Mark Wallace wrote:
Bin Laden's people don't believe they're evil; they believe they're fighting evil, so, in their eyes, their actions are every bit as justified as we believe ours are. If we don't try to understand that, we're just condemning our (and their) children to horrible deaths.
That does not matter: unless you are prepared to give in to what they want they will never stop until they do get what they want. I'm astonished at how naive such a purportedly intelligent man can be.
Mark Wallace wrote:
I'd say that the coward is the man who will refuse to meet such responsibility as an adult.
And I would say it is cowardly to allow a situation to develop that can threaten you and yours from such lunatics. At least I would have the courage to stand up to them whereas you appear to want to sit down and talk and reach a compromise. There is no compromise with these people: they are utterly alien to us and no matter what you give them they will want more until they have it all. Your bizarre morality will be the death of you.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
digital man wrote:
However, when faced with an intractable enemy that will never compromise or change the way that they think and whose dictum is to kill me and mine then yes, I will strike first and hard to protect me and mine.
In other words, you will be an intractable enemy that will never compromise or change the way that you think and whose dictum is to kill them and theirs.
digital man wrote:
Mark Wallace wrote:
Bin Laden's people don't believe they're evil; they believe they're fighting evil, so, in their eyes, their actions are every bit as justified as we believe ours are. If we don't try to understand that, we're just condemning our (and their) children to horrible deaths.
That does not matter: unless you are prepared to give in to what they want they will never stop until they do get what they want.
Nonsense. You're dehumanising them, which is the worst possible thing to do. We are talking about people with families and children. If you believe that they are not human, or that they are inferior creatures, then you are wrong. They will fight for their beliefs the same way that you will fight for yours, and all that will happen is that more people will get killed. If you don't try to understand these people -- these humans; your equals -- then you must also accept partial responsibility for what they do. Try: "How would I like it if the greed of people in [enter country name] led to the suffering of millions of people in countries all over the world?" I don't have an argument against that, because it's an obvious truth. Western greed, with its "grab everything then crash and burn" tenet has devastating effects on people all over the world, and we don't even have the balls to apologise. It really is no wonder that people in the East look West and see evil. If they were doing it to us, our "terrorists" would be hailed as heroes, for fighting it. Unless you stop ignoring our own "peccadilloes", and start considering that the guys on the other side of the fence are just that -- guys -- you really are a part of the problem.
digital man wrote:
lunatics
digital man wrote:
utterly alien to us
Try "people" and "pissed off with us", and you'll be getting somewhere, otherwise, th
