A question of efficiency?
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So there I was, sitting in the bath contemplating the meaning of life when it occurred to me which is the more efficient? Let me elaborate. In our house, the hot water needs are served by an 'on demand' gas boiler. This boiler has a dial which allows setting the hot water temperature. This temperature adjustment is achieved by altering the volume of gas to the burners. The same temperature adjustment can be achieved by altering the flow of water through the taps. I.e, turn the tap down, the water gets hotter because of the water flow reduction. So, here comes the question: which is more economical and energy efficient to fill a bath? A. Turn the temperature up on the boiler (thus increasing the volume of gas burnt) but more water enters the bath so the boiler doesn't need to be on as long. B. Reduce the water temperature on the boiler (thus reducing the gas flow) and then reduce the flow of water at the tap so the water passes the burner slower and thus heats up more but takes longer to fill the bath and hence the burner is on longer albeit not burning as much gas per given moment in time. C. They are the same. D. Who gives a s**t. I'd be interested to hear any thoughts.
I am the Breeg, goo goo g'joob Aici zace un om despre care nu sestie prea mult
Sounds very similar to the question of when you should add milk to your tea in order to ensure a hot cup of tea. See Newton's 5/4 Power Cooling Law.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I think taking a shower would be bette
I've got four daughters who absolutely must have, without fail, at least 3 baths a week. Bloody teenagers! They can't shower (their words, not mine) because they can't get their hair wet unless they're washing it which they do separately. :doh: :confused:
I am the Breeg, goo goo g'joob Aici zace un om despre care nu sestie prea mult
Benjamin Breeg wrote:
they can't get their hair wet unless they're washing it which they do separately. :doh: :confused:
That is the exact same excuse my ex-wife used as to why she didn't shower every day. I told her Bullsh!t! Then I talk to beuticians and they said you can get your hair wet (don't they walk in the rain or get in water fights?) even if you don't wash it! It's just an excuse to not shower every day. My daughter follows her mother in this nonsense. I guess at least they take a bath when they don't shower which is NOT what my ex did!
If you know what I mean...and I think you do...
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What's a bath? :confused:
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It's a method of cleaning the body in a container of water...but that's not important right now....
If you know what I mean...and I think you do...
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Bah! - You should put a small LHC under the bath tube... - Or using used "fried" oil as gasoline in order to be greener (even you go out from the bath you'll smell funny). - Of course the best option here would be to use the DutchTub[^]. Green people to me... bah! :rolleyes:
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Joan Murt wrote:
Green people to me... bah! :rolleyes:
Sod going green, I'm worried about my meagre pay packet paying for all the gas.
Joan Murt wrote:
Of course the best option here would be to use the DutchTub[^].
Hmmm, I could finally find a use for the trees in the back garden which I've wanted to get rid of for years. :laugh:
I am the Breeg, goo goo g'joob Aici zace un om despre care nu sestie prea mult
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Sounds very similar to the question of when you should add milk to your tea in order to ensure a hot cup of tea. See Newton's 5/4 Power Cooling Law.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Spoken like a true nerd. ;P :laugh:
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Z. Use cold water! It's summer anyways.
HimanshuJoshi wrote:
Use cold water! It's summer anyways.
Not in England it isn't ;P It's usually freezing, even in summer. Though just to prove me wrong, we've just had the hottest April on record.
I am the Breeg, goo goo g'joob Aici zace un om despre care nu sestie prea mult
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Z. Use cold water! It's summer anyways.
:thumbsup::thumbsup: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: by the way, D........Who gives a s**t?
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Sounds very similar to the question of when you should add milk to your tea in order to ensure a hot cup of tea. See Newton's 5/4 Power Cooling Law.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I think taking a shower would be bette
I've got four daughters who absolutely must have, without fail, at least 3 baths a week. Bloody teenagers! They can't shower (their words, not mine) because they can't get their hair wet unless they're washing it which they do separately. :doh: :confused:
I am the Breeg, goo goo g'joob Aici zace un om despre care nu sestie prea mult
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So there I was, sitting in the bath contemplating the meaning of life when it occurred to me which is the more efficient? Let me elaborate. In our house, the hot water needs are served by an 'on demand' gas boiler. This boiler has a dial which allows setting the hot water temperature. This temperature adjustment is achieved by altering the volume of gas to the burners. The same temperature adjustment can be achieved by altering the flow of water through the taps. I.e, turn the tap down, the water gets hotter because of the water flow reduction. So, here comes the question: which is more economical and energy efficient to fill a bath? A. Turn the temperature up on the boiler (thus increasing the volume of gas burnt) but more water enters the bath so the boiler doesn't need to be on as long. B. Reduce the water temperature on the boiler (thus reducing the gas flow) and then reduce the flow of water at the tap so the water passes the burner slower and thus heats up more but takes longer to fill the bath and hence the burner is on longer albeit not burning as much gas per given moment in time. C. They are the same. D. Who gives a s**t. I'd be interested to hear any thoughts.
I am the Breeg, goo goo g'joob Aici zace un om despre care nu sestie prea mult
I have a similar problem with brewing tea, only to have it chilled to a very cold temperature so I can enjoy it. I'll post the problem shortly.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I think taking a shower would be bette
I've got four daughters who absolutely must have, without fail, at least 3 baths a week. Bloody teenagers! They can't shower (their words, not mine) because they can't get their hair wet unless they're washing it which they do separately. :doh: :confused:
I am the Breeg, goo goo g'joob Aici zace un om despre care nu sestie prea mult
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So there I was, sitting in the bath contemplating the meaning of life when it occurred to me which is the more efficient? Let me elaborate. In our house, the hot water needs are served by an 'on demand' gas boiler. This boiler has a dial which allows setting the hot water temperature. This temperature adjustment is achieved by altering the volume of gas to the burners. The same temperature adjustment can be achieved by altering the flow of water through the taps. I.e, turn the tap down, the water gets hotter because of the water flow reduction. So, here comes the question: which is more economical and energy efficient to fill a bath? A. Turn the temperature up on the boiler (thus increasing the volume of gas burnt) but more water enters the bath so the boiler doesn't need to be on as long. B. Reduce the water temperature on the boiler (thus reducing the gas flow) and then reduce the flow of water at the tap so the water passes the burner slower and thus heats up more but takes longer to fill the bath and hence the burner is on longer albeit not burning as much gas per given moment in time. C. They are the same. D. Who gives a s**t. I'd be interested to hear any thoughts.
I am the Breeg, goo goo g'joob Aici zace un om despre care nu sestie prea mult
Skinny dip at the nearest lake or, preferably, hot spring (true story: a guy actually got full on naked and used body wash to clean off in front of me and a friend at a hot spring).
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Skinny dip at the nearest lake or, preferably, hot spring (true story: a guy actually got full on naked and used body wash to clean off in front of me and a friend at a hot spring).
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S<T>::f(U) // Out of line.
](http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/8yk3t00s(v=vs.71).aspx)
And you stayed around to watch? :omg:
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And you stayed around to watch? :omg:
Nope, I stayed to soak and avert my eyes.
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Skinny dip at the nearest lake or, preferably, hot spring (true story: a guy actually got full on naked and used body wash to clean off in front of me and a friend at a hot spring).
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S<T>::f(U) // Out of line.
](http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/8yk3t00s(v=vs.71).aspx)
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Euros are as casual about nudity/etc as Americans are about violence; those of us on both sides of the Atlantic are idiots for trying to think we can make the other go away by pretending it doesn't exist. :rolleyes:
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Me: *punches naked dude in the face* Naked Dude: Why'd you do that!? Me: I'm a violent American, you casually nude European! Yep, I can see how that would happen. :rolleyes:
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S<T>::f(U) // Out of line.
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Me: *punches naked dude in the face* Naked Dude: Why'd you do that!? Me: I'm a violent American, you casually nude European! Yep, I can see how that would happen. :rolleyes:
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S<T>::f(U) // Out of line.
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You'd better hope they decide it's cheaper to fine you his medical bills and deport you than to put you on trial because that defense would go over like a lead balloon. PS For some reason I never got a reply notice for this post....
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You'd better hope they decide it's cheaper to fine you his medical bills and deport you than to put you on trial because that defense would go over like a lead balloon. PS For some reason I never got a reply notice for this post....
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Dan Neely wrote:
deport you
They would deport me from the US to the US? :confused:
Dan Neely wrote:
For some reason I never got a reply notice for this post
Did you uncheck "Send me an e-mail if someone replies to this message" on your post?
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Dan Neely wrote:
deport you
They would deport me from the US to the US? :confused:
Dan Neely wrote:
For some reason I never got a reply notice for this post
Did you uncheck "Send me an e-mail if someone replies to this message" on your post?
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S<T>::f(U) // Out of line.
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So there I was, sitting in the bath contemplating the meaning of life when it occurred to me which is the more efficient? Let me elaborate. In our house, the hot water needs are served by an 'on demand' gas boiler. This boiler has a dial which allows setting the hot water temperature. This temperature adjustment is achieved by altering the volume of gas to the burners. The same temperature adjustment can be achieved by altering the flow of water through the taps. I.e, turn the tap down, the water gets hotter because of the water flow reduction. So, here comes the question: which is more economical and energy efficient to fill a bath? A. Turn the temperature up on the boiler (thus increasing the volume of gas burnt) but more water enters the bath so the boiler doesn't need to be on as long. B. Reduce the water temperature on the boiler (thus reducing the gas flow) and then reduce the flow of water at the tap so the water passes the burner slower and thus heats up more but takes longer to fill the bath and hence the burner is on longer albeit not burning as much gas per given moment in time. C. They are the same. D. Who gives a s**t. I'd be interested to hear any thoughts.
I am the Breeg, goo goo g'joob Aici zace un om despre care nu sestie prea mult
Bathe with a hot friend. Two birds... yeah, two birds. :thumbsup: