The oddities of us
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Megan Forbes wrote: Oh boy... an oversensitive geek... First you start a whole thread attacking me, and now you resort to name calling. What have I done to offend you ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: First you start a whole thread attacking me, and now you resort to name calling. What have I done to offend you ? Hey! Stop picking on Meg! Jeeesshhh like get a life man! This is our l337 forum for hazor roxors only! I am going to ghost script your shell, buddy, and nUkE your IO port l/\m3r! :rolleyes: I am still thinking how I can bring religion and politics into this thread... give me a few minutes... :~
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaNOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...
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Megan Forbes wrote: Although, I always felt that people who spent loads of time in chat rooms were really sad Well then call me sad :) I spent plenty of time in chat rooms a few years ago (chat rooms have now been replaced by IM and the CP forums but the end result is the same really) and had many good conversations, a lot better than you would get from trying to talk in a pub/bar/club which according to most people is not a sad pasttime. Go figure. Obviously there was plenty of waffle, prattle and rubbish to. But just sit and listen to what most people talk about in "real" life and you will see it is mostly waffle, prattle and rubbish too. The only difference is the environment and somehow in pop-cultures eyes that makes "real" life conversations automatically good and online conversations automatically sad and only for loosers. Go figure. Frankly the only time I get to have good conversations with people in real life is my monthly BBC (Bohemian Book Club) evening. The rest of the time it is either dev. talk with co-workers or useless prattle with family and friends. You know, latest movies, fashion, whats on TV, what to eat, who is sleeping with who etc. In fact it is often quite difficult to initiate a deep discussion with people in real life, I always end up feeling self concious that they don't want to make the effort of thinking. Anyway. To me the bottom line is that we should not make distinctions between an online discussion or a "real life" discussion. It is what was discussed, who we learnt more about and conclusions reached that are the important bits. Online is just a medium, like air is a medium for real life conversations.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaNOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...
Paul Watson wrote: Online is just a medium, like air is a medium for real life conversations. I agree totally, and wish people would understand this in many more aspects of life too. The internet is just a medium for our business - yes, it is successfully done by other firms with more employees and no developers. Paul Watson wrote: spent plenty of time in chat rooms a few years ago Perhaps I am biased - I have yet to come across a chat room that doesn't at some point degenerate to sex - except for that on Africam (spotted a giraffe on the Vuyatela cam yesterday - damn, I need to get home! :-O ). I do love IM - but then at least I can choose who I allow to see me online. That ISP I used to work for had this 60+ year old client who was really into lesbian chatrooms. Don't get me wrong- what she wants to do with her connection to the outside world (she was so obese that she couldn't leave her bedroom) is her business. But when she keeps breaking her connection purposefully to get me into her *bedroom sitting in front of her pc, with her on the bed behind me, her giant paw on my shoulder telling me how beautiful I am, that my (then) fiance and I should come and stay over some nights, etc ,etc, it really gets a little too much. Anyway, that just pushed my idea of people who live in chatrooms over the limit I guess, so that now I am more prejudiced about it than I should be. :) * Before you say anything, let me just point out a couple of sad truths - a)my boss thought it was hilarious, b)there was no male to go in my place except him and he was too lazy, c)I had the only job in Nelspruit in web dev, and wasn't going to give up getting the experience over this one client.
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
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Paul Watson wrote: People do not judge me based on my looks (or lack thereof), my body language, my voice, what I wear etc. They judge me on what I say which comes from what I think. Yes I have the same problem, being good looking, well coordinaated, with great voice skills and dress sense, attracts people to me for the wrong reasons. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: Yes I have the same problem, being good looking, well coordinaated, with great voice skills and dress sense, attracts people to me for the wrong reasons. Agh shame, that really is a pity. Must be tough being handsome and attractive. Mabe you can use some cosmetics to deform your Adonis form? :rolleyes: Tis sad though. Us ugly people have problems and wish to be beautiful. Beautiful people have problems, but they do not wish they were ugly. What a dilema!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaNOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...
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Colin Davies wrote: Yes I have the same problem, being good looking, well coordinaated, with great voice skills and dress sense, attracts people to me for the wrong reasons. Agh shame, that really is a pity. Must be tough being handsome and attractive. Mabe you can use some cosmetics to deform your Adonis form? :rolleyes: Tis sad though. Us ugly people have problems and wish to be beautiful. Beautiful people have problems, but they do not wish they were ugly. What a dilema!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaNOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...
Paul Watson wrote: Tis sad though. Us ugly people have problems and wish to be beautiful. Even worse as a geeky woman - even geeky men expect geeky women to have great dress sense... :(
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
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Colin Davies wrote: Yes I have the same problem, being good looking, well coordinaated, with great voice skills and dress sense, attracts people to me for the wrong reasons. Agh shame, that really is a pity. Must be tough being handsome and attractive. Mabe you can use some cosmetics to deform your Adonis form? :rolleyes: Tis sad though. Us ugly people have problems and wish to be beautiful. Beautiful people have problems, but they do not wish they were ugly. What a dilema!
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaNOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...
Paul Watson wrote: What a dilema! Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul. :)
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”
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Colin Davies wrote: First you start a whole thread attacking me, and now you resort to name calling. What have I done to offend you ? Hey! Stop picking on Meg! Jeeesshhh like get a life man! This is our l337 forum for hazor roxors only! I am going to ghost script your shell, buddy, and nUkE your IO port l/\m3r! :rolleyes: I am still thinking how I can bring religion and politics into this thread... give me a few minutes... :~
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaNOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...
Paul Watson wrote: Hey! Stop picking on Meg! Jeeesshhh like get a life man! She started it Paul !! Paul Watson wrote: This is our l337 forum for hazor roxors only! True ! Paul Watson wrote: I am going to ghost script your shell, buddy, and nUkE your IO port l/\m3r! Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs. Paul Watson wrote: I am still thinking how I can bring religion and politics into this thread... give me a few minutes... Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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As geeks we are known for being somewhat anti-social, introverted, etc? It is amusing then to look at the Message Boards and see that the Lounge has by far the highest number of posts, followed by C++ (not even half the total number of Lounge posts), which is followed by the Soapbox. In comparison, the others can't compete at all (although my personal favourites are the Web Development and SQL / ADO boards). So is it perhaps rather the old case of "Birds of a feather flock together" and enjoy socialising in a place where we can also switch to dev message boards and discuss dev/tech issues? Perhaps we would be a lot more sociable if there were more geeky people around us in daily life (I guess living around the Redmond area would be like this)? What are your thoughts on this? It would be interesting as well to know what days of the week we post most on. Today is Friday :jig: , so does that mean we will all be more relaxed and enjoying CP time more, or trying desperately to finish off the week's work with little time for CP leisure(read "online research" ;P )?
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
Megan Forbes wrote: little time for CP leisure(read "online research" Oh my god! I hope my boss's not looking!! Actually, my internet access in my office is monitored, so as to prevent non-work related surfing :(. But CP's safe coz it's "online research". At least, that's what i tell my boss:-D Notorious SMC
The difference between the almost-right word & the right word is a really large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the Lightning Mark Twain
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please Mark Twain -
Megan Forbes wrote: Although, I always felt that people who spent loads of time in chat rooms were really sad Well then call me sad :) I spent plenty of time in chat rooms a few years ago (chat rooms have now been replaced by IM and the CP forums but the end result is the same really) and had many good conversations, a lot better than you would get from trying to talk in a pub/bar/club which according to most people is not a sad pasttime. Go figure. Obviously there was plenty of waffle, prattle and rubbish to. But just sit and listen to what most people talk about in "real" life and you will see it is mostly waffle, prattle and rubbish too. The only difference is the environment and somehow in pop-cultures eyes that makes "real" life conversations automatically good and online conversations automatically sad and only for loosers. Go figure. Frankly the only time I get to have good conversations with people in real life is my monthly BBC (Bohemian Book Club) evening. The rest of the time it is either dev. talk with co-workers or useless prattle with family and friends. You know, latest movies, fashion, whats on TV, what to eat, who is sleeping with who etc. In fact it is often quite difficult to initiate a deep discussion with people in real life, I always end up feeling self concious that they don't want to make the effort of thinking. Anyway. To me the bottom line is that we should not make distinctions between an online discussion or a "real life" discussion. It is what was discussed, who we learnt more about and conclusions reached that are the important bits. Online is just a medium, like air is a medium for real life conversations.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaNOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...
Online is just a medium, like air is a medium for real life conversations. I totally agree. I really make no distinction as to whether forums and chat rooms are for cool people or not. It's a great way to make friends with people who it would have been otherwise impossible to meet. Of course, my real life conversations are usually a bit more serious (okay, maybe they're wacky too). I really enjoy going to the college pub and hanging out with friends but I'd say I enjoy posting on CP just as much (and plus, lightweights like myself don't get wasted). Brad Jennings My latest nickname: Kidney Stone (Nickname courtesy of my roommates)
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Paul Watson wrote: Hey! Stop picking on Meg! Jeeesshhh like get a life man! She started it Paul !! Paul Watson wrote: This is our l337 forum for hazor roxors only! True ! Paul Watson wrote: I am going to ghost script your shell, buddy, and nUkE your IO port l/\m3r! Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs. Paul Watson wrote: I am still thinking how I can bring religion and politics into this thread... give me a few minutes... Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: She started it Paul !! This slave thing is starting to look better and better :cool:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
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Paul Watson wrote: What a dilema! Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul. :)
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”
Shog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul. :laugh: :laugh: Don't you mean everyone just wants to look at famous naked people?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaShog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul.
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Megan Forbes wrote: little time for CP leisure(read "online research" Oh my god! I hope my boss's not looking!! Actually, my internet access in my office is monitored, so as to prevent non-work related surfing :(. But CP's safe coz it's "online research". At least, that's what i tell my boss:-D Notorious SMC
The difference between the almost-right word & the right word is a really large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the Lightning Mark Twain
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please Mark TwainNotorious SMC wrote: But CP's safe coz it's "online research". :jig: Exactly! :jig:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
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Paul Watson wrote: Hey! Stop picking on Meg! Jeeesshhh like get a life man! She started it Paul !! Paul Watson wrote: This is our l337 forum for hazor roxors only! True ! Paul Watson wrote: I am going to ghost script your shell, buddy, and nUkE your IO port l/\m3r! Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs. Paul Watson wrote: I am still thinking how I can bring religion and politics into this thread... give me a few minutes... Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs Oooohh you called me a script kiddie. Now I am going to phone up my 13 year old l337 hacker network of friends and get them to DOSS your FOA through the USB IO on the XMLXSLWYSIWYG! And then I am going to tell my dad! Colin Davies wrote: Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Can't have. God created man in his perfect image or something. But to Hitler the perfect image was 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired Arians (like the space rocket!), and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) So the existence of non 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired proves to Hitler that there is no God. Elementary my dear Davies. :rolleyes: p.s. Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaNOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...
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As geeks we are known for being somewhat anti-social, introverted, etc? It is amusing then to look at the Message Boards and see that the Lounge has by far the highest number of posts, followed by C++ (not even half the total number of Lounge posts), which is followed by the Soapbox. In comparison, the others can't compete at all (although my personal favourites are the Web Development and SQL / ADO boards). So is it perhaps rather the old case of "Birds of a feather flock together" and enjoy socialising in a place where we can also switch to dev message boards and discuss dev/tech issues? Perhaps we would be a lot more sociable if there were more geeky people around us in daily life (I guess living around the Redmond area would be like this)? What are your thoughts on this? It would be interesting as well to know what days of the week we post most on. Today is Friday :jig: , so does that mean we will all be more relaxed and enjoying CP time more, or trying desperately to finish off the week's work with little time for CP leisure(read "online research" ;P )?
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
Perhaps we would be a lot more sociable if there were more geeky people around us in daily life I'm usually less sociable around geeky people like myself because I feel that they are much smarter than myself and therefore I feel inferior. I have those nightmares where you're trying to explain something and end up not being completely right so somebody decides to make an ass of you. I guess CP is different because nobody is actually nearby to flame you. That's probably the main reason that I don't really talk about serious subjects with people I don't know well. Brad Jennings My latest nickname: Kidney Stone (Nickname courtesy of my roommates)
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Colin Davies wrote: Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs Oooohh you called me a script kiddie. Now I am going to phone up my 13 year old l337 hacker network of friends and get them to DOSS your FOA through the USB IO on the XMLXSLWYSIWYG! And then I am going to tell my dad! Colin Davies wrote: Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Can't have. God created man in his perfect image or something. But to Hitler the perfect image was 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired Arians (like the space rocket!), and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) So the existence of non 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired proves to Hitler that there is no God. Elementary my dear Davies. :rolleyes: p.s. Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaNOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...
Paul Watson wrote: and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) :laugh: Fortunately not! Paul Watson wrote: Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done. It should be obvious to you that Hitler was an elitest and therefore would have been a C++ guy :~ *incoming - run for cover!!!*
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
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Paul Watson wrote: and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) :laugh: Fortunately not! Paul Watson wrote: Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done. It should be obvious to you that Hitler was an elitest and therefore would have been a C++ guy :~ *incoming - run for cover!!!*
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
Megan Forbes wrote: It should be obvious to you that Hitler was an elitest and therefore would have been a C++ guy :laugh: :laugh: And what was Hitler's ultimate demise? This should serve as a warning to all elitist C++ developers... ;) Megan Forbes wrote: Fortunately not! Being a sensitive geek like Mr. Davies I first read that as meaning "Fortunately Paul is not a 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired guy" :rolleyes:
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaShog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul.
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Megan Forbes wrote: It should be obvious to you that Hitler was an elitest and therefore would have been a C++ guy :laugh: :laugh: And what was Hitler's ultimate demise? This should serve as a warning to all elitist C++ developers... ;) Megan Forbes wrote: Fortunately not! Being a sensitive geek like Mr. Davies I first read that as meaning "Fortunately Paul is not a 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired guy" :rolleyes:
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaShog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul.
Paul Watson wrote: Being a sensitive geek like Mr. Davies I first read that as meaning "Fortunately Paul is not a 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired guy" Indeed - why would you want to ruin your bio pic? Did you know that (apparently) although people seem to choose blonde people to date, when interviewed they usually say they would like a brunette for a husband / wife?
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
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Paul Watson wrote: Hey! Stop picking on Meg! Jeeesshhh like get a life man! She started it Paul !! Paul Watson wrote: This is our l337 forum for hazor roxors only! True ! Paul Watson wrote: I am going to ghost script your shell, buddy, and nUkE your IO port l/\m3r! Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs. Paul Watson wrote: I am still thinking how I can bring religion and politics into this thread... give me a few minutes... Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin Davies wrote: Do you think Hitler believed in God ? I've read somewhere, but it's probably a rumour, that Hitler said to a bishop that if God created men, he was here to destroy them.
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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As geeks we are known for being somewhat anti-social, introverted, etc? It is amusing then to look at the Message Boards and see that the Lounge has by far the highest number of posts, followed by C++ (not even half the total number of Lounge posts), which is followed by the Soapbox. In comparison, the others can't compete at all (although my personal favourites are the Web Development and SQL / ADO boards). So is it perhaps rather the old case of "Birds of a feather flock together" and enjoy socialising in a place where we can also switch to dev message boards and discuss dev/tech issues? Perhaps we would be a lot more sociable if there were more geeky people around us in daily life (I guess living around the Redmond area would be like this)? What are your thoughts on this? It would be interesting as well to know what days of the week we post most on. Today is Friday :jig: , so does that mean we will all be more relaxed and enjoying CP time more, or trying desperately to finish off the week's work with little time for CP leisure(read "online research" ;P )?
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
I guess everyone relishes in the fact that messageboards are, on the whole, pretty anonymous, so you can talk about stuff that you'd probably be far too embarassed to talk about with real life friends with less worry of it coming back to haunt you later on :) I do think you're right about the "birds of a feather" element (even if the TV show of the same name makes me shudder when I type that phrase) as people can feel safe, knowing that the people who'll comment are like minded people, and so the kind of "social redicule" people may expect in real life is unlikely to happen. -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Notorious SMC wrote: But CP's safe coz it's "online research". :jig: Exactly! :jig:
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
Yeah, I feel less guilty being on CP, as it was my team leader who keeps on singing the site's virtues (although I don't think he's noticed quite how much I post in the lounge and the soapbox :| ) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Paul Watson wrote: and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) :laugh: Fortunately not! Paul Watson wrote: Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done. It should be obvious to you that Hitler was an elitest and therefore would have been a C++ guy :~ *incoming - run for cover!!!*
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**
Did he apply to do computing at College, but wasn't allowed in due to the fact that he could only code in VB? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!