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  • C ColinDavies

    Paul Watson wrote: Hey! Stop picking on Meg! Jeeesshhh like get a life man! She started it Paul !! Paul Watson wrote: This is our l337 forum for hazor roxors only! True ! Paul Watson wrote: I am going to ghost script your shell, buddy, and nUkE your IO port l/\m3r! Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs. Paul Watson wrote: I am still thinking how I can bring religion and politics into this thread... give me a few minutes... Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Regardz Colin J Davies

    Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

    You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.

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    Colin Davies wrote: She started it Paul !! This slave thing is starting to look better and better :cool:


    I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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      Paul Watson wrote: What a dilema! Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul. :)

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      Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”

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      Shog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul. :laugh: :laugh: Don't you mean everyone just wants to look at famous naked people?

      Paul Watson
      Bluegrass
      Cape Town, South Africa

      Shog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul.

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        Megan Forbes wrote: little time for CP leisure(read "online research" Oh my god! I hope my boss's not looking!! Actually, my internet access in my office is monitored, so as to prevent non-work related surfing :(. But CP's safe coz it's "online research". At least, that's what i tell my boss:-D Notorious SMC


        The difference between the almost-right word & the right word is a really large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the Lightning Mark Twain
        Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please Mark Twain

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        Notorious SMC wrote: But CP's safe coz it's "online research". :jig: Exactly! :jig:


        I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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          Paul Watson wrote: Hey! Stop picking on Meg! Jeeesshhh like get a life man! She started it Paul !! Paul Watson wrote: This is our l337 forum for hazor roxors only! True ! Paul Watson wrote: I am going to ghost script your shell, buddy, and nUkE your IO port l/\m3r! Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs. Paul Watson wrote: I am still thinking how I can bring religion and politics into this thread... give me a few minutes... Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Regardz Colin J Davies

          Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

          You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.

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          Colin Davies wrote: Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs Oooohh you called me a script kiddie. Now I am going to phone up my 13 year old l337 hacker network of friends and get them to DOSS your FOA through the USB IO on the XMLXSLWYSIWYG! And then I am going to tell my dad! Colin Davies wrote: Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Can't have. God created man in his perfect image or something. But to Hitler the perfect image was 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired Arians (like the space rocket!), and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) So the existence of non 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired proves to Hitler that there is no God. Elementary my dear Davies. :rolleyes: p.s. Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done.

          Paul Watson
          Bluegrass
          Cape Town, South Africa

          NOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...

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            As geeks we are known for being somewhat anti-social, introverted, etc? It is amusing then to look at the Message Boards and see that the Lounge has by far the highest number of posts, followed by C++ (not even half the total number of Lounge posts), which is followed by the Soapbox. In comparison, the others can't compete at all (although my personal favourites are the Web Development and SQL / ADO boards). So is it perhaps rather the old case of "Birds of a feather flock together" and enjoy socialising in a place where we can also switch to dev message boards and discuss dev/tech issues? Perhaps we would be a lot more sociable if there were more geeky people around us in daily life (I guess living around the Redmond area would be like this)? What are your thoughts on this? It would be interesting as well to know what days of the week we post most on. Today is Friday :jig: , so does that mean we will all be more relaxed and enjoying CP time more, or trying desperately to finish off the week's work with little time for CP leisure(read "online research" ;P )?


            I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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            Perhaps we would be a lot more sociable if there were more geeky people around us in daily life I'm usually less sociable around geeky people like myself because I feel that they are much smarter than myself and therefore I feel inferior. I have those nightmares where you're trying to explain something and end up not being completely right so somebody decides to make an ass of you. I guess CP is different because nobody is actually nearby to flame you. That's probably the main reason that I don't really talk about serious subjects with people I don't know well. Brad Jennings My latest nickname: Kidney Stone (Nickname courtesy of my roommates)

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              Colin Davies wrote: Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs Oooohh you called me a script kiddie. Now I am going to phone up my 13 year old l337 hacker network of friends and get them to DOSS your FOA through the USB IO on the XMLXSLWYSIWYG! And then I am going to tell my dad! Colin Davies wrote: Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Can't have. God created man in his perfect image or something. But to Hitler the perfect image was 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired Arians (like the space rocket!), and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) So the existence of non 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired proves to Hitler that there is no God. Elementary my dear Davies. :rolleyes: p.s. Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done.

              Paul Watson
              Bluegrass
              Cape Town, South Africa

              NOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...

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              Paul Watson wrote: and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) :laugh: Fortunately not! Paul Watson wrote: Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done. It should be obvious to you that Hitler was an elitest and therefore would have been a C++ guy :~ *incoming - run for cover!!!*


              I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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                Paul Watson wrote: and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) :laugh: Fortunately not! Paul Watson wrote: Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done. It should be obvious to you that Hitler was an elitest and therefore would have been a C++ guy :~ *incoming - run for cover!!!*


                I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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                Megan Forbes wrote: It should be obvious to you that Hitler was an elitest and therefore would have been a C++ guy :laugh: :laugh: And what was Hitler's ultimate demise? This should serve as a warning to all elitist C++ developers... ;) Megan Forbes wrote: Fortunately not! Being a sensitive geek like Mr. Davies I first read that as meaning "Fortunately Paul is not a 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired guy" :rolleyes:

                Paul Watson
                Bluegrass
                Cape Town, South Africa

                Shog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul.

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                  Megan Forbes wrote: It should be obvious to you that Hitler was an elitest and therefore would have been a C++ guy :laugh: :laugh: And what was Hitler's ultimate demise? This should serve as a warning to all elitist C++ developers... ;) Megan Forbes wrote: Fortunately not! Being a sensitive geek like Mr. Davies I first read that as meaning "Fortunately Paul is not a 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired guy" :rolleyes:

                  Paul Watson
                  Bluegrass
                  Cape Town, South Africa

                  Shog9 wrote: Everybody just wants to be naked and famous, Paul.

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                  Paul Watson wrote: Being a sensitive geek like Mr. Davies I first read that as meaning "Fortunately Paul is not a 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired guy" Indeed - why would you want to ruin your bio pic? Did you know that (apparently) although people seem to choose blonde people to date, when interviewed they usually say they would like a brunette for a husband / wife?


                  I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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                  • C ColinDavies

                    Paul Watson wrote: Hey! Stop picking on Meg! Jeeesshhh like get a life man! She started it Paul !! Paul Watson wrote: This is our l337 forum for hazor roxors only! True ! Paul Watson wrote: I am going to ghost script your shell, buddy, and nUkE your IO port l/\m3r! Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs. Paul Watson wrote: I am still thinking how I can bring religion and politics into this thread... give me a few minutes... Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Regardz Colin J Davies

                    Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

                    You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.

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                    Colin Davies wrote: Do you think Hitler believed in God ? I've read somewhere, but it's probably a rumour, that Hitler said to a bishop that if God created men, he was here to destroy them.


                    I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again

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                    • M Megan Forbes

                      As geeks we are known for being somewhat anti-social, introverted, etc? It is amusing then to look at the Message Boards and see that the Lounge has by far the highest number of posts, followed by C++ (not even half the total number of Lounge posts), which is followed by the Soapbox. In comparison, the others can't compete at all (although my personal favourites are the Web Development and SQL / ADO boards). So is it perhaps rather the old case of "Birds of a feather flock together" and enjoy socialising in a place where we can also switch to dev message boards and discuss dev/tech issues? Perhaps we would be a lot more sociable if there were more geeky people around us in daily life (I guess living around the Redmond area would be like this)? What are your thoughts on this? It would be interesting as well to know what days of the week we post most on. Today is Friday :jig: , so does that mean we will all be more relaxed and enjoying CP time more, or trying desperately to finish off the week's work with little time for CP leisure(read "online research" ;P )?


                      I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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                      I guess everyone relishes in the fact that messageboards are, on the whole, pretty anonymous, so you can talk about stuff that you'd probably be far too embarassed to talk about with real life friends with less worry of it coming back to haunt you later on :) I do think you're right about the "birds of a feather" element (even if the TV show of the same name makes me shudder when I type that phrase) as people can feel safe, knowing that the people who'll comment are like minded people, and so the kind of "social redicule" people may expect in real life is unlikely to happen. -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                        Notorious SMC wrote: But CP's safe coz it's "online research". :jig: Exactly! :jig:


                        I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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                        Yeah, I feel less guilty being on CP, as it was my team leader who keeps on singing the site's virtues (although I don't think he's noticed quite how much I post in the lounge and the soapbox :| ) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                        • M Megan Forbes

                          Paul Watson wrote: and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) :laugh: Fortunately not! Paul Watson wrote: Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done. It should be obvious to you that Hitler was an elitest and therefore would have been a C++ guy :~ *incoming - run for cover!!!*


                          I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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                          Did he apply to do computing at College, but wasn't allowed in due to the fact that he could only code in VB? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                            Colin Davies wrote: Go for it kiddie and I'll take the whole African continent offline for a couple of hours amd have it tracked back to you through hard spoofs Oooohh you called me a script kiddie. Now I am going to phone up my 13 year old l337 hacker network of friends and get them to DOSS your FOA through the USB IO on the XMLXSLWYSIWYG! And then I am going to tell my dad! Colin Davies wrote: Do you think Hitler believed in God ? Can't have. God created man in his perfect image or something. But to Hitler the perfect image was 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired Arians (like the space rocket!), and yet I am not 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired, neither is Meg for that matter (I assume.) So the existence of non 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired proves to Hitler that there is no God. Elementary my dear Davies. :rolleyes: p.s. Well done on introducing religion into the thread, now we just need politics and VB vs. C++ and our work here is done.

                            Paul Watson
                            Bluegrass
                            Cape Town, South Africa

                            NOPcode wrote: ...but in America, you're not allowed to thrust, moan or see anything...

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                            Paul Watson wrote: But to Hitler the perfect image was 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired Arians And yet Hitler was a short, dark-haired, dark-eyed guy. I've always found that exteremly ironic. :-D I prefer to wear gloves when using it, but that's merely a matter of personal hygiene [Roger Wright on VB] Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. [Rich Cook]

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                              Paul Watson wrote: But to Hitler the perfect image was 6'4", blue eyed, golden haired Arians And yet Hitler was a short, dark-haired, dark-eyed guy. I've always found that exteremly ironic. :-D I prefer to wear gloves when using it, but that's merely a matter of personal hygiene [Roger Wright on VB] Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. [Rich Cook]

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                              Not only that, he had jewish ancestors too :suss:


                              I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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                                Megan Forbes wrote: The oddities of us Is this message a direct attack at me ? Regardz Colin J Davies

                                Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

                                You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.

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                                That's a relief...until now I thought I was the token CP odd person... :laugh: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

                                "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
                                - Marcia Graesch

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                                  Paul Watson wrote: I think the anonymity of online discussions allows us great freedoms which we normally do not feel in "real" social situations. This so true. Although, I always felt that people who spent loads of time in chat rooms were really sad. I somehow manage to con my conscience into believing that me spending time on CP is not the same, as we are interested in the very technologies that allow these sorts of forums. Does this mean I am lying to myself and am infact a closet case? :~ Paul Watson wrote: They judge me on what I say which comes from what I think. Ditto to what I wrote above :)


                                  I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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                                  Megan Forbes wrote: This so true. Although, I always felt that people who spent loads of time in chat rooms were really sad. I somehow manage to con my conscience into believing that me spending time on CP is not the same, as we are interested in the very technologies that allow these sorts of forums. Does this mean I am lying to myself and am infact a closet case? I actually find it refreshing to be able to chat to people from all over the place, and chatrooms are a good way of doing that. Having said that, there's a lot of them I'd never go near if you paid me, and people can be every bit as odd in their behaviour online as in person... At the end of the day, I'd far rather spend time with a friend in person that chat online. However, some of my friends are a long way away and I'd rarely see them otherwise. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

                                  "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
                                  - Marcia Graesch

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                                    Online is just a medium, like air is a medium for real life conversations. I totally agree. I really make no distinction as to whether forums and chat rooms are for cool people or not. It's a great way to make friends with people who it would have been otherwise impossible to meet. Of course, my real life conversations are usually a bit more serious (okay, maybe they're wacky too). I really enjoy going to the college pub and hanging out with friends but I'd say I enjoy posting on CP just as much (and plus, lightweights like myself don't get wasted). Brad Jennings My latest nickname: Kidney Stone (Nickname courtesy of my roommates)

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                                    Brad Jennings wrote: Brad Jennings My latest nickname: Kidney Stone This too will pass. Chris "what makes CP different is the people and sense of community, things people will only discover if they join up and join in." Christian Graus Nov 14, 2002. "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Those leaks are driving me crazy! How does one finds a memory leak in a garbage collected environment ??! Daniel Turini Nov. 2, 2002.

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                                      As geeks we are known for being somewhat anti-social, introverted, etc? It is amusing then to look at the Message Boards and see that the Lounge has by far the highest number of posts, followed by C++ (not even half the total number of Lounge posts), which is followed by the Soapbox. In comparison, the others can't compete at all (although my personal favourites are the Web Development and SQL / ADO boards). So is it perhaps rather the old case of "Birds of a feather flock together" and enjoy socialising in a place where we can also switch to dev message boards and discuss dev/tech issues? Perhaps we would be a lot more sociable if there were more geeky people around us in daily life (I guess living around the Redmond area would be like this)? What are your thoughts on this? It would be interesting as well to know what days of the week we post most on. Today is Friday :jig: , so does that mean we will all be more relaxed and enjoying CP time more, or trying desperately to finish off the week's work with little time for CP leisure(read "online research" ;P )?


                                      I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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                                      I don't think we're antisocial, we just don't like talking to idiots about the plot lines in the latest soaps. So of course we relish the fact that through CP we have friends we can talk to about cool stuff. I was talking to our Java team at work the other day, and we were all joking around and laughing and it suddenly occured to me that the humour was so geeky that I doubt 5% of the population would have had any idea what we were talking about, let alone why it was funny. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                                        That's a relief...until now I thought I was the token CP odd person... :laugh: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk

                                        "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
                                        - Marcia Graesch

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                                        Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: That's a relief...until now I thought I was the token CP odd person... :-) Gosh no, you are normal compared to most here, At least you are recieving treatment, unlike the rest of us. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

                                        Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

                                        You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.

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                                          I guess everyone relishes in the fact that messageboards are, on the whole, pretty anonymous, so you can talk about stuff that you'd probably be far too embarassed to talk about with real life friends with less worry of it coming back to haunt you later on :) I do think you're right about the "birds of a feather" element (even if the TV show of the same name makes me shudder when I type that phrase) as people can feel safe, knowing that the people who'll comment are like minded people, and so the kind of "social redicule" people may expect in real life is unlikely to happen. -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!

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                                          benjymous wrote: "social redicule" people may expect in real life another curse of the geek... :~


                                          I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some-it won't hurt you'... -Christian Graus on Code Project outages His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like underpants in a tumble dryer. It hurt the way your tongue hurts after you accidentally staple it to he wall**-Shaun Wilde**

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