The Internet in India
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Capitalism at its best! What is there to gain from them giving you more for your money? You need real competition (not just competition in name). Like gasoline prices in the US, a-nod-and-a-wink and the prices at all the companies goes up together - quickly - and down slowly. The profits are at record levels. Implication? They all raised the prices more than is necessary to keep up with the price of oil. What about competition? Why do I hear you laughing ? ? So, the same with your ISP's. It's in none of their interests to start cutting prices (or even start price war). My provider (15 MB/s) throttles uploads [a common practice] to 2 Mb/s. The reality of this (it seems) is that if you up-load, you're really demanding the maximum bandwidth, whilst if downloading, you'll only get (at most) data rates based on your sender. They really never need to supply anywhere near the advertised bandwidth. This cost $50 US/month. No options for slower rates . . . but now they've a near continuous sale price of ca. $30/month as part of a telephone/cable TV bundle. That is because Verizon is now competing with them directly. Verizon, too, has had to bite-the-bullet, frequently dropping its insistence on a contract since their competitor doesn't. In either case, the price goes up after 12 months . . . . . . however, a loyal customer, such as myself, will explain to them that either they keep my rate 'down' or I'll switch to their competitor. At this point, their business records now show that I mean it. But, more directly on topic: put yourself in your ISP's position . . . why lower prices? For them, things are fine as they are.
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Very true. ISPs will start feeling the real heat when a competitor comes up with lower prices. Hope many people shift to such a provider here. Will give the ISPs a run for their money for fooling customers. Thank you for your wonderful post!
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Nithin Sundar wrote:
By the way what speed do you use with a 25 GB limit?
I currently use a 4 Mbps connection.
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To break your heart further, I have a 50mb line, unlimited volume and it only costs £25 a month. See Here[^]. But the UK is one of the most densely populated countries on the face of the Earth, so it is viable for this kind of thing.
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Aww darn. That just makes it even worse. Just as you planned. :mad: You should be nominated for the world's biggest Supervillain of all time! :D
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Nithin Sundar wrote:
What do you guys think?
In think lots of things. I think things aren't as bad in Ireland as we thought. I think it makes sense now why I used to wait so long for offshore devs in India to turn stuff around. Reading my emails probably took you up to lunch time. I think we should all move to Nigeria. Judging by the amount of crap they spew onto the internet and into our mailboxes each day, those guys must have fibre optics inserted directly into their ass. -Richard
Hit any user to continue.
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To break your heart further, I have a 50mb line, unlimited volume and it only costs £25 a month. See Here[^]. But the UK is one of the most densely populated countries on the face of the Earth, so it is viable for this kind of thing.
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I think the amount what you pay for a 50mb line over there is almost equal to the amount we pay for getting closer to a 4mb line. :sigh:
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Refer my original post again. :rolleyes:
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I would appreciate your post better if it had contained a valid argument/fact.
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welcome to the lounge
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welcome to the lounge
Sorry but I do know that a LOT of Lounge regulars post more sensible replies than lame one liners. Most of the replies in this thread ought to prove that. Thanks. By the way, I didn't downvote that fellow.
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And how much do you pay for that?
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I pay around 1750 INR/month for that connection. I think that it includes some free phone calls and other stuff, but I always use my mobile phone for making phone calls.
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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Never mind the internet and it's cost in India. It is obviously not expensive enough judging from Q&A. :) Also, last evening I was Bingling around looking at specs for various computer components and every time I searched for anything including the word 'price' (e.g. "xxyyp hard disk price") I got loads of hits which had "in India" appended (e.g. "xxyyp hard disk prices in India"). What's that all about?
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Its obviously traffic throtteling, because of slow links. Seems fair, but then you lack the wealth to implelement a fast system. Its all about money income per square mile compared to the cost of setup. In France we also only get slow links, there just isnt the density of userers to warrant any investement. And we arent that rural. Some parts still have to use dialup.
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And People much pay more than what people pay in UK. I lived in UK and when i compare speed-price tradeoff, both are less in India. We pay roughly 15 pounds for 128 to 256 kbps and sometimes 512kbps. If we want 2 Mbps line, we pay more than 45 pounds. Leave rest the bulk of having unlimited internet and higher speeds. It goes exponential. Sadly, these huge profits aren't utilized in infrastructure.
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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The way businesses operate in India, they mostly only get into fair prices if the government steps in and changes the law. Even the cheap cell phone services were only due to the fact that the telecommunications ministry put in a policy and set guidelines for prices and other access terms. The same is true for internet as well. The telecommunications ministry defines what can be called "broadband" i.e. speeds of 2 Mbps or more, and also sets guidelines for the maximum that can be charged to the consumer.
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As you know broadband (ADSL/ADSL2) rates are dependant on line quality/distance from exchange etc. Maybe its a case of there are many long lengths from exchanges and there is no benefit from offering higher rates on existing copper lines?
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Never mind the internet and it's cost in India. It is obviously not expensive enough judging from Q&A. :) Also, last evening I was Bingling around looking at specs for various computer components and every time I searched for anything including the word 'price' (e.g. "xxyyp hard disk price") I got loads of hits which had "in India" appended (e.g. "xxyyp hard disk prices in India"). What's that all about?
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:laugh: Well most users in India search like "[component name or model or brand] price in India" everytime they want to look it up on the net. That might be the cause for it being appended although I can't understand why they are appending that term for users outside India.
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for those dying of shock by looking at the abyssmal internet speeds offered here in our country. For safety guidelines please consult your doctor. Does any country have something as ridiculous as a term called "Fair Usage Policy(FUP)"? For those who are unaware here is an example: Let's say that you have a 512 KBPS Unlimited connection. Now according to FUP, there's a 8GB "limit" for 512, 15 GB for 1 mbps and so on. Once you cross this limit, your speed will be cut to 256 KBPS for the rest of the month. The average person in India cannot afford connection speeds which go higher than 512 KBPS or 1 MBPS. Yes you heard that right. KBPS. It would at least serve to be a soothing balm if they offered speeds like 4 mbps or 8 mbps at an affordable rate but no. We're still stuck with the same "concept" of broadband. What do you guys think?
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I'm in UK, pay around £20 a month plus about £10 a month line rental for my home ASDL connection and have a bandwidth cap of 20 GB a month. Annoyingly the cap got introduced just after I signed up and has a 12 month minimum contract but I think most other ISPs have a similar cap. I think it is pretty ridiculous - roughly 10 years ago I remember my friend complaining about a 30 GB/month soft cap that NTL introduced. That was back when 30 GB was quite a lot and I didn't understand why that was such a problem for him - but these days I hit 20 GB in a month frequently, just through general use and software updates etc and end up paying extra for the extra gigs. I've never looked into streaming internet TV services etc and won't until the cap issue is sorted.
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To break your heart further, I have a 50mb line, unlimited volume and it only costs £25 a month. See Here[^]. But the UK is one of the most densely populated countries on the face of the Earth, so it is viable for this kind of thing.
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Great for you :thumbsup: I used TalknTalk(Tiscali)(8Mbps line) for 2 years and never thought of need of higher speed. Now, I feel the need in India for 2Mbps (getting just 128kbps for same price) . :((
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The way businesses operate in India, they mostly only get into fair prices if the government steps in and changes the law. Even the cheap cell phone services were only due to the fact that the telecommunications ministry put in a policy and set guidelines for prices and other access terms. The same is true for internet as well. The telecommunications ministry defines what can be called "broadband" i.e. speeds of 2 Mbps or more, and also sets guidelines for the maximum that can be charged to the consumer.
SG Aham Brahmasmi!
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And People much pay more than what people pay in UK. I lived in UK and when i compare speed-price tradeoff, both are less in India. We pay roughly 15 pounds for 128 to 256 kbps and sometimes 512kbps. If we want 2 Mbps line, we pay more than 45 pounds. Leave rest the bulk of having unlimited internet and higher speeds. It goes exponential. Sadly, these huge profits aren't utilized in infrastructure.
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It was the same in the UK. We paid 40 quid for 512 10 or 12 years back. Heck, this was a business line back then! Competition is part of the key. If you have state or monoply controlled markets you are probably going to get shafted or suffer poor quality since there is little interest in improving the product or charging less.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Never mind the internet and it's cost in India. It is obviously not expensive enough judging from Q&A. :) Also, last evening I was Bingling around looking at specs for various computer components and every time I searched for anything including the word 'price' (e.g. "xxyyp hard disk price") I got loads of hits which had "in India" appended (e.g. "xxyyp hard disk prices in India"). What's that all about?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
In most cases, the same product sold in India will not have the price of the product sold in the parent country, adjusted for currency conversion. For example, the iPad 2 base version costs $500 in the US, but costs Rs. 29,500 in India, which is much more than $500 converted to Rupees. It's true that there may be other excise duties and taxes that produce the difference in cost, but I wouldn't imagine taxes alone to cost 186 dollars extra. It's mostly due to a competition free market and lack of regulation. A pre configured dell that costs about 1000 in the US would probably cost the equivalent of 1500$ in India, if bought from dell India .
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