Fear of the cloud [modified]
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Your bank details are not stored in the cloud and the regulation of banking data is governed by regulatory factors in the relevant countries. There is, actually, a legal implication to the cloud, especially to those of us who live outside the US. One of the requirements of the Patriot Act is that any company which has the parent company in the US has to be prepared to have it's data inspected upon request (I'm paraphrasing here). The important phrase here is parent company, so even if your data is stored in a server in Belgium and your relationship is with Google in Germany, the fact that the parent organisation is based in the US means that they have a right to your data.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
they have a right to your data
I'm not an expert here, but who are "they"? The government?
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The recent discussion about Dropbox (which I use) and people complaining about privacy and data security made me think about this: we're already storing our money in the cloud. After all, all our bank accounts are just a bunch of numbers in a computer. There are not even bills and coins anymore. What's the difference with data, which is immaterial from the beginning? Do you care more about your personal photos or about your money? Do you think that a bank's system is more secure than Dropbox's (or any other)? Or, do you think that you're better than anyone else at keeping a home-brew data backup "plan"? We've given away "physical" ownership of our money to a 3rd-party long ago without complaining too much. I think that with data is simply a matter of time and all "fear" will be gone in a few years from now. Discuss. Modified: data = documents, not all of my personal details including credit card and whatever.
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modified on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:45 AM
It boggles my mind to think you could even make the comparison. Companies have a proven track record of blowing off losing customer data. They'll talk a good talk, but when push come to shove they bring in the lawyers for damage control. You're left to pick up the pieces and the best you can hope for is free so-called credit monitoring. Now take that situation to all your personal data and not just a credit card. As already stated the bank account information is a moot point, because that's covered by the bank and regulated (as already noted). Once your personal data is out there it's out there. Losing a credit card number is a far cry from losing your identity let alone other information that could be used to ruin your reputation and life. Credit card fraud may still be identity theft, but losing your identity is a whole different ball game. We lost physical ownership of money before computers. We lost it when we lost the gold standard.
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It boggles my mind to think you could even make the comparison. Companies have a proven track record of blowing off losing customer data. They'll talk a good talk, but when push come to shove they bring in the lawyers for damage control. You're left to pick up the pieces and the best you can hope for is free so-called credit monitoring. Now take that situation to all your personal data and not just a credit card. As already stated the bank account information is a moot point, because that's covered by the bank and regulated (as already noted). Once your personal data is out there it's out there. Losing a credit card number is a far cry from losing your identity let alone other information that could be used to ruin your reputation and life. Credit card fraud may still be identity theft, but losing your identity is a whole different ball game. We lost physical ownership of money before computers. We lost it when we lost the gold standard.
It was not clear, but with data I don't mean personal details, just documents like pictures and the like. And with cloud I don't mean a publicly accessible site, but a private storage.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
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Aha.. so it was you. I had my suspicions, and you walked right into the trap - Inspector Clouseau, grab that man. :-D
...and I have extensive experience writing computer code, including OIC, BTW, BRB, IMHO, LMAO, ROFL, TTYL.....
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The recent discussion about Dropbox (which I use) and people complaining about privacy and data security made me think about this: we're already storing our money in the cloud. After all, all our bank accounts are just a bunch of numbers in a computer. There are not even bills and coins anymore. What's the difference with data, which is immaterial from the beginning? Do you care more about your personal photos or about your money? Do you think that a bank's system is more secure than Dropbox's (or any other)? Or, do you think that you're better than anyone else at keeping a home-brew data backup "plan"? We've given away "physical" ownership of our money to a 3rd-party long ago without complaining too much. I think that with data is simply a matter of time and all "fear" will be gone in a few years from now. Discuss. Modified: data = documents, not all of my personal details including credit card and whatever.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
modified on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:45 AM
I don’t trust the cloud. I may be a Luddite, I do not bank online, I made sure that my credit card has online purchase protection. I only purchase items from well known storefronts. I rarely buy something off of Ebay, if I do, I use my credit card through PayPal. But PayPal only has access to a dummy bank account set up by me at my local brick and mortar. As already stated, if my accounts are hacked at the institution the liability is with the institution.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
they have a right to your data
I'm not an expert here, but who are "they"? The government?
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
Yes.
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Yes.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility
Oh well. Personally I don't think that would be a problem.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
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The recent discussion about Dropbox (which I use) and people complaining about privacy and data security made me think about this: we're already storing our money in the cloud. After all, all our bank accounts are just a bunch of numbers in a computer. There are not even bills and coins anymore. What's the difference with data, which is immaterial from the beginning? Do you care more about your personal photos or about your money? Do you think that a bank's system is more secure than Dropbox's (or any other)? Or, do you think that you're better than anyone else at keeping a home-brew data backup "plan"? We've given away "physical" ownership of our money to a 3rd-party long ago without complaining too much. I think that with data is simply a matter of time and all "fear" will be gone in a few years from now. Discuss. Modified: data = documents, not all of my personal details including credit card and whatever.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
modified on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:45 AM
From an analogy point of view, I'm in agreement with you. Banks have long provided the ability to physicaly store and preserve our money. The cloud is an extension to this whereby some organization is going to provide for the physical storage of other value types. The degree to which this activity will be regulated and be considered safe and economical still remains to be seen. As far as security concerns go, it is probably going to take a long time, ie. decades, of use of these services until people will have a level of trust about what they store in the cloud. I can see storing pictures using a site(s) such as Dropbox. But my tax returns, that's going to take a while. At least until I'm comfortable with how secure these organizations establish their services. :)
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From an analogy point of view, I'm in agreement with you. Banks have long provided the ability to physicaly store and preserve our money. The cloud is an extension to this whereby some organization is going to provide for the physical storage of other value types. The degree to which this activity will be regulated and be considered safe and economical still remains to be seen. As far as security concerns go, it is probably going to take a long time, ie. decades, of use of these services until people will have a level of trust about what they store in the cloud. I can see storing pictures using a site(s) such as Dropbox. But my tax returns, that's going to take a while. At least until I'm comfortable with how secure these organizations establish their services. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra] posting about Crystal Reports here is like discussing gay marriage on a catholic church’s website.[Nishant Sivakumar]
Chris Meech wrote:
my tax returns
I store them in Dropbox, but encrypted with TrueCrypt. ;)
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Your bank details are not stored in the cloud
Cloud = Bunch of computers owned by someone else other than me.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
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It boggles my mind to think you could even make the comparison. Companies have a proven track record of blowing off losing customer data. They'll talk a good talk, but when push come to shove they bring in the lawyers for damage control. You're left to pick up the pieces and the best you can hope for is free so-called credit monitoring. Now take that situation to all your personal data and not just a credit card. As already stated the bank account information is a moot point, because that's covered by the bank and regulated (as already noted). Once your personal data is out there it's out there. Losing a credit card number is a far cry from losing your identity let alone other information that could be used to ruin your reputation and life. Credit card fraud may still be identity theft, but losing your identity is a whole different ball game. We lost physical ownership of money before computers. We lost it when we lost the gold standard.
Good, good point. Which brings me to the subject of supplying personal information to sites such as Facebook, LinkedIn etc. etc. In my eyes your giving the crimals even more information to use for ID freud.
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Chris Meech wrote:
my tax returns
I store them in Dropbox, but encrypted with TrueCrypt. ;)
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe, but not a personality. [Charlie Brooker] ScrewTurn Wiki, Software Localization Tools & Services and My Blog
Dario Solera wrote:
but encrypt
If you need to have it protected, why would put it somewhere where it can be accessed by people with who are clever enough to locate it? To me, the anology would be "but I put the cash in a sealed envelope just outside the bank door".
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Dario Solera wrote:
but encrypt
If you need to have it protected, why would put it somewhere where it can be accessed by people with who are clever enough to locate it? To me, the anology would be "but I put the cash in a sealed envelope just outside the bank door".
It was broke, so I fixed it.