Staff Hiring
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Hey guys, most folks I'm sure have been involved in hiring developers in some form or other. In your experience, through what medium are you generally most likely to find the best applicants? We've been asked to go a route that I'm not really comfortable with and am sure is going to provide plenty headache to sift through CV wise X| Recruitment Agencies Word of Mouth Poaching/Headhunting Associates Newspapers Online Job ads etc. and please substantiate why. My personal preference is either through agencies or headhunting, the one because they pre-screen a lot of the chancers and the other because generally I've found that the good ones get kept close by the companies they work for. PS. To all the fellow saffers don't forget to vote tomorrow! :thumbsup:
Mario Luis wrote:
through what medium are you generally most likely to find the best applicants?
I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't, but I have to; Through the medium of interpretive dance. Through Derek Acorah[^]. And so on.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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Better still, get the applicant to bring in some working code or project and ask them to demonstrate it.
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I do that without being asked, but that doesn't illustrate my ability to debug nor research a coding technique that I may npot be familiar with. That's why I suggested giving them a company laptop and letting them "have at it".
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Hey guys, most folks I'm sure have been involved in hiring developers in some form or other. In your experience, through what medium are you generally most likely to find the best applicants? We've been asked to go a route that I'm not really comfortable with and am sure is going to provide plenty headache to sift through CV wise X| Recruitment Agencies Word of Mouth Poaching/Headhunting Associates Newspapers Online Job ads etc. and please substantiate why. My personal preference is either through agencies or headhunting, the one because they pre-screen a lot of the chancers and the other because generally I've found that the good ones get kept close by the companies they work for. PS. To all the fellow saffers don't forget to vote tomorrow! :thumbsup:
How are Recruitment Agencies in the list? 99% of recruiters: "Do you have X" where X is requirement for job "What is your rate?" if rate <= client pay - recruiter pay then submit The other 1% "What is your rate?" if rate <= client pay - recruiter pay then submit $33,000 dollars to prescreen a candidate is a lot of money. (Estimate based on $50/hr for candidate * 2000 hours with 33% recruiter mark-up (industry standard)) Now if your recruiters make a fixed, $5 per hour that is another story. Put an add in the newspaper with an email address. HotJobs aggegrates newspaper listings (as do others) and go through the résumés. Make a short-list. If you do not have the time or staff hire a consultant to review the short list and tech interview them for a shorter list.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
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Hey guys, most folks I'm sure have been involved in hiring developers in some form or other. In your experience, through what medium are you generally most likely to find the best applicants? We've been asked to go a route that I'm not really comfortable with and am sure is going to provide plenty headache to sift through CV wise X| Recruitment Agencies Word of Mouth Poaching/Headhunting Associates Newspapers Online Job ads etc. and please substantiate why. My personal preference is either through agencies or headhunting, the one because they pre-screen a lot of the chancers and the other because generally I've found that the good ones get kept close by the companies they work for. PS. To all the fellow saffers don't forget to vote tomorrow! :thumbsup:
I actually hate agencies, they're just after the money and a lot of times, those recruiters don't even know what they're talking about. So they'll talk to people simply to get a large database of people whether qualified or not.
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Hey guys, most folks I'm sure have been involved in hiring developers in some form or other. In your experience, through what medium are you generally most likely to find the best applicants? We've been asked to go a route that I'm not really comfortable with and am sure is going to provide plenty headache to sift through CV wise X| Recruitment Agencies Word of Mouth Poaching/Headhunting Associates Newspapers Online Job ads etc. and please substantiate why. My personal preference is either through agencies or headhunting, the one because they pre-screen a lot of the chancers and the other because generally I've found that the good ones get kept close by the companies they work for. PS. To all the fellow saffers don't forget to vote tomorrow! :thumbsup:
Recomendation from staff, they don't want to loose their job by recomending a numpty. Then use a trusted agency.
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I do that without being asked, but that doesn't illustrate my ability to debug nor research a coding technique that I may npot be familiar with. That's why I suggested giving them a company laptop and letting them "have at it".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997One of our primary concerns is also the ability to deal with making a abstract concept into a working solution. A lot of folks are happy to work with a detailed spec sheet and purely code\develop from that but it's harder to find people that can engage stakeholders and transform their concepts into reality.
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One of our primary concerns is also the ability to deal with making a abstract concept into a working solution. A lot of folks are happy to work with a detailed spec sheet and purely code\develop from that but it's harder to find people that can engage stakeholders and transform their concepts into reality.
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Hey guys, most folks I'm sure have been involved in hiring developers in some form or other. In your experience, through what medium are you generally most likely to find the best applicants? We've been asked to go a route that I'm not really comfortable with and am sure is going to provide plenty headache to sift through CV wise X| Recruitment Agencies Word of Mouth Poaching/Headhunting Associates Newspapers Online Job ads etc. and please substantiate why. My personal preference is either through agencies or headhunting, the one because they pre-screen a lot of the chancers and the other because generally I've found that the good ones get kept close by the companies they work for. PS. To all the fellow saffers don't forget to vote tomorrow! :thumbsup:
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Hey guys, most folks I'm sure have been involved in hiring developers in some form or other. In your experience, through what medium are you generally most likely to find the best applicants? We've been asked to go a route that I'm not really comfortable with and am sure is going to provide plenty headache to sift through CV wise X| Recruitment Agencies Word of Mouth Poaching/Headhunting Associates Newspapers Online Job ads etc. and please substantiate why. My personal preference is either through agencies or headhunting, the one because they pre-screen a lot of the chancers and the other because generally I've found that the good ones get kept close by the companies they work for. PS. To all the fellow saffers don't forget to vote tomorrow! :thumbsup:
6 months ago, I found my current position via a recruiter. Yesterday the recruiter called and asked "Are you looking for a new position?" Me: "No, you guys just placed me in November" Recruiter: "Oh, well let me tell you about an opportunity in your industry." Me: "I think you are talking about the company I work for now, the same one you placed me at in November. So you are saying you want me to leave the position you placed me in, to interview for a position in the company you placed me it?" Recruiter: "Where do you work?"; Me: "XXXX" Recruiter: "You are correct. Sorry for taking your time." I went back to my desk and told my manager that I was going to resign and interview for the open position. He found it quite funny and gave the agency some shit for it.
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Hey guys, most folks I'm sure have been involved in hiring developers in some form or other. In your experience, through what medium are you generally most likely to find the best applicants? We've been asked to go a route that I'm not really comfortable with and am sure is going to provide plenty headache to sift through CV wise X| Recruitment Agencies Word of Mouth Poaching/Headhunting Associates Newspapers Online Job ads etc. and please substantiate why. My personal preference is either through agencies or headhunting, the one because they pre-screen a lot of the chancers and the other because generally I've found that the good ones get kept close by the companies they work for. PS. To all the fellow saffers don't forget to vote tomorrow! :thumbsup:
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Mario Luis wrote:
detailed spec sheet
I don't think I have ever seen one of those. Can I have a job?
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
I think a detailed spec sheet is one of those mythical creatures like unicorns, in SME's.
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TorstenH. wrote:
It's a pretty common thing here in Germany - don't know how it is used in other countries. Unless you don't have a valid Xing-account, you simply do not take business serious.
seems like some LinkedIn like crap. are you an ad bot?
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Hey guys, most folks I'm sure have been involved in hiring developers in some form or other. In your experience, through what medium are you generally most likely to find the best applicants? We've been asked to go a route that I'm not really comfortable with and am sure is going to provide plenty headache to sift through CV wise X| Recruitment Agencies Word of Mouth Poaching/Headhunting Associates Newspapers Online Job ads etc. and please substantiate why. My personal preference is either through agencies or headhunting, the one because they pre-screen a lot of the chancers and the other because generally I've found that the good ones get kept close by the companies they work for. PS. To all the fellow saffers don't forget to vote tomorrow! :thumbsup:
Online job ads are a lot cheaper, but most companies use recruitment agencies, anyway. With recruitment agencies, you're basically paying thousands of dollars for a non-technical person to make sure applicants know how to print out a resume, dress in business clothing, drive to their office, and say that they think they are qualified for the job. Maybe that service is worth thousands of dollars; I don't know.
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TorstenH. wrote:
It's a pretty common thing here in Germany - don't know how it is used in other countries. Unless you don't have a valid Xing-account, you simply do not take business serious.
seems like some LinkedIn like crap. are you an ad bot?
na, unfortunately I have to work in the real work... Xing is a something like a social network for professionals. Especially as a IT professional one has to have an account there. It's pretty popular here for organizing the "official part" of the social networking. It's not free (for real use, you can have a simple account for free) but worth it. regards Torsten
I never finish anyth...
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How are Recruitment Agencies in the list? 99% of recruiters: "Do you have X" where X is requirement for job "What is your rate?" if rate <= client pay - recruiter pay then submit The other 1% "What is your rate?" if rate <= client pay - recruiter pay then submit $33,000 dollars to prescreen a candidate is a lot of money. (Estimate based on $50/hr for candidate * 2000 hours with 33% recruiter mark-up (industry standard)) Now if your recruiters make a fixed, $5 per hour that is another story. Put an add in the newspaper with an email address. HotJobs aggegrates newspaper listings (as do others) and go through the résumés. Make a short-list. If you do not have the time or staff hire a consultant to review the short list and tech interview them for a shorter list.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
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na, unfortunately I have to work in the real work... Xing is a something like a social network for professionals. Especially as a IT professional one has to have an account there. It's pretty popular here for organizing the "official part" of the social networking. It's not free (for real use, you can have a simple account for free) but worth it. regards Torsten
I never finish anyth...
TorstenH. wrote:
na, unfortunately I have to work in the real work...
are you sure you're not an ad bot?
TorstenH. wrote:
the "official part" of the social networking.
oh i am seeing where the problem is.
