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  • K Keith Barrow

    Take a look at how busy the Clownd forum isn't :) That said, I'm over 30 so anything new is the work of the devil...

    Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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    NormDroid
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    Keith Barrow wrote:

    That said, I'm over 30 so anything new is the work of the devil...

    Should be a factor to like at it, after its all rehashed stuff from the past :)

    Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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    • N Nagy Vilmos

      It's difficult to answer as it's all virtual. According to Microsoft there are 853,000 active developers[1]. However using empirical evidence[2] the figure is much lower. About 3. [1] Numbers made up for the benefit of a good reasonable terrible joke. [2] That is what I am doing.


      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)

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      Looking at companies like Logica, they seem to be investing in the cloud, I also have this from somebody who works for Logica.

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      • T testing0796178

        fuck off....

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        NormDroid
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        :laugh: what a come back.

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          fuck off....

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          Delightful chap, that education really did you the power of good, didn't it.

          Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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          A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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          • K Keith Barrow

            Delightful chap, that education really did you the power of good, didn't it.

            Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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            A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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            Pete OHanlon
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            There's always the Report Member button. I'd say this definitely counts as abusive.

            Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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              fuck off....

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              Rage
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              Did you mean you are "fine off" being or not being in the cloud ?

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              • P Pete OHanlon

                There's always the Report Member button. I'd say this definitely counts as abusive.

                Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                Already pressed!

                Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                • N NormDroid

                  I'm considering deveoting some time to getting my head stuck into Azure. I've a few questions: 1. Is there anybody learning Azure at the moment? 2. Is there anybody doing fulltime Azure development? [Dont vote just answer]

                  Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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                  Rage
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                  I have no experience whatsoever with Azure, but IMO it is definitely worth a try, while: - There will always be someone interested in _using_ the technology. - There is currently very few interest in _developing for_ that technology. Smells like a niche.

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                  • N NormDroid

                    I'm considering deveoting some time to getting my head stuck into Azure. I've a few questions: 1. Is there anybody learning Azure at the moment? 2. Is there anybody doing fulltime Azure development? [Dont vote just answer]

                    Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    Norm .net wrote:

                    1. Is there anybody learning Azure at the moment?

                    We're looking into it primarily because we know that clients are buying into the hype (sorry, I mean well thought out and reasoned marketing spiel). If we want to keep getting clients, we have to work with what they want.

                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                    • R Rage

                      I have no experience whatsoever with Azure, but IMO it is definitely worth a try, while: - There will always be someone interested in _using_ the technology. - There is currently very few interest in _developing for_ that technology. Smells like a niche.

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                      NormDroid
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                      Thinking on the lines of everything else, learn it whist its young and be a the forefront when its eventually mainsteam technology.

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                      • R Rage

                        Did you mean you are "fine off" being or not being in the cloud ?

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                        NormDroid
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                        :) the only cloud he probably knows are the ones on his bedroom wallpaper.

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                        • P Pete OHanlon

                          Norm .net wrote:

                          1. Is there anybody learning Azure at the moment?

                          We're looking into it primarily because we know that clients are buying into the hype (sorry, I mean well thought out and reasoned marketing spiel). If we want to keep getting clients, we have to work with what they want.

                          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                          NormDroid
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                          Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                          If we want to keep getting clients, we have to work with what they want.

                          True, like I said to Nagy, Logica are throwing a lot of resources into Cloud technology.

                          Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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                            Already pressed!

                            Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                            hairy_hats
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                            And yet his rep is still positive!

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                            • H hairy_hats

                              And yet his rep is still positive!

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                              Keith Barrow
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                              Not his debator points :)

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                                And yet his rep is still positive!

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                                Pete OHanlon
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                                Then exercise your powers to vote.

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                                • N NormDroid

                                  Keith Barrow wrote:

                                  That said, I'm over 30 so anything new is the work of the devil...

                                  Should be a factor to like at it, after its all rehashed stuff from the past :)

                                  Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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                                  That's the problem with it for me: it is and it isn't rehashed-stuff-for-the-past. It is in essence a return to the bad old Mainframe Computer model, but this time with added insecurity. Do they really back up properly? How many people have access to our data? Can our data be intercepted?

                                  Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                                    That's the problem with it for me: it is and it isn't rehashed-stuff-for-the-past. It is in essence a return to the bad old Mainframe Computer model, but this time with added insecurity. Do they really back up properly? How many people have access to our data? Can our data be intercepted?

                                    Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."

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                                    NormDroid
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                                    Dont worry in the next 15 years or so cloud will be gone and we'll be back to desktop again ;)

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                                    • N NormDroid

                                      I'm considering deveoting some time to getting my head stuck into Azure. I've a few questions: 1. Is there anybody learning Azure at the moment? 2. Is there anybody doing fulltime Azure development? [Dont vote just answer]

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                                      Richard A Dalton
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                                      I got some nice tours of Azure a while back, and developed a few simple apps to try the platform. I still have my account, but I haven't been back. Here's the thing...Azure serves a very specific purpose, and it serves that purpose very well, but the hype surrounding it makes it sound like it serves lots of other purposes, which just isn't true. If you are building an app that will have reasonably consistant traffic all year round, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a standard hosted app, stick it on a dedicated server if it's important enough, do a bit of load balancing of needed. That hosting technology works just fine and will probably be more cost effective than hosting in "the cloud". The only benefit I could see from Azure was for apps that experience massive spikes in demand. E.g. If John and George rose from the dead and the Beatles announced a world Tour, TicketMaster would see some serious action on their booking systems. But once the tickets had sold out TicketMaster would be back to their average load. It doesn't make sense for Ticket Master to keep massive amounts of excess capacity spun up ready for the next big spike, and it may not be cost effective to try to ramp up traditional hosting at short notice (who knows how long undead John and George will be around, gotta get this tour on fast). This is where Azure is great, and hats off to them, what I saw was very impressive. But 99% of people who talk to me about the Cloud are talking crap, they think cloud is just another name for web hosting...only better. If you're going to get into Azure, do your customers a favour and make sure it's a correct fit for them. -Richard

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                                        I got some nice tours of Azure a while back, and developed a few simple apps to try the platform. I still have my account, but I haven't been back. Here's the thing...Azure serves a very specific purpose, and it serves that purpose very well, but the hype surrounding it makes it sound like it serves lots of other purposes, which just isn't true. If you are building an app that will have reasonably consistant traffic all year round, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a standard hosted app, stick it on a dedicated server if it's important enough, do a bit of load balancing of needed. That hosting technology works just fine and will probably be more cost effective than hosting in "the cloud". The only benefit I could see from Azure was for apps that experience massive spikes in demand. E.g. If John and George rose from the dead and the Beatles announced a world Tour, TicketMaster would see some serious action on their booking systems. But once the tickets had sold out TicketMaster would be back to their average load. It doesn't make sense for Ticket Master to keep massive amounts of excess capacity spun up ready for the next big spike, and it may not be cost effective to try to ramp up traditional hosting at short notice (who knows how long undead John and George will be around, gotta get this tour on fast). This is where Azure is great, and hats off to them, what I saw was very impressive. But 99% of people who talk to me about the Cloud are talking crap, they think cloud is just another name for web hosting...only better. If you're going to get into Azure, do your customers a favour and make sure it's a correct fit for them. -Richard

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                                        NormDroid
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                                        Richard thanks for that, just the information I was looking for, which answers the question. I'll probably look at Azure so I'm familiar with the technology/terminalogy and let it at that until I have a real world case use for it. Thanks.

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                                        • N NormDroid

                                          I'm considering deveoting some time to getting my head stuck into Azure. I've a few questions: 1. Is there anybody learning Azure at the moment? 2. Is there anybody doing fulltime Azure development? [Dont vote just answer]

                                          Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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                                          Andy Brummer
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                                          I've seen a few real world cases for Amazon, don't know about Azure. Mattel sent out millions of Barbie doll catalog that referenced a web application and forgot to notify their development team, so they had a company port it to amazon services over a few days. Another example is Zynga. They ramped up from 0 to millions of users in a few months. A financial news site provisions their load hourly so they pay for more servers at the open and close of the markets, less during the middle of the day and even less over night. Someone's blog or standard commerce site, not so much.

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