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So, My mobile Contract is coming due at the end of June, I'm begining to look around at new Phones. Got a short list of devices I'm considering: (WP7)HTC 7 Trophy [^] BlackBerry Torch[^] (Andriod)HTC Desire HD [^] (Andriod)Sony Ericsson Xperia arc[^] I'm curious about the Windows Phone 7 OS and what it can do. I hear it's awesome for gaming, but I'm hoping it is not just aimed toward gamers. I've been told how awesome the BB is (you can pilot an x-wing remotely, boil the kettle, etc :laugh: ), but you can't turn off the messaging. A Good friend of mine sings praises for the HTC Desire, but the contract it is double the price of the WP7 HTC and the hardware spec is very similar (Desire has 8MP camera and a 1/2 inch larger screen) I've been using Sony Ericsson (K800 and C905) for several years and have been very happy with them (enjoy having an amazing camera handy) I was hoping if anybody who has used 1 or more of these devices could give me their personal thoughts/experience on them.
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I've got the HTC HD7 (TMobile) which I am very happy with. The OS itself is pretty slick and full featured (all of my previous phones were either windows mobile or blackberry so that may not be a valid comparison ;P ) Biggest thing for me, being a MS developer, WP7 gives me the ability to do some mobile app development wihtout having to learn a new technology stack or, heaven forbid, try to understand objective c.
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So, My mobile Contract is coming due at the end of June, I'm begining to look around at new Phones. Got a short list of devices I'm considering: (WP7)HTC 7 Trophy [^] BlackBerry Torch[^] (Andriod)HTC Desire HD [^] (Andriod)Sony Ericsson Xperia arc[^] I'm curious about the Windows Phone 7 OS and what it can do. I hear it's awesome for gaming, but I'm hoping it is not just aimed toward gamers. I've been told how awesome the BB is (you can pilot an x-wing remotely, boil the kettle, etc :laugh: ), but you can't turn off the messaging. A Good friend of mine sings praises for the HTC Desire, but the contract it is double the price of the WP7 HTC and the hardware spec is very similar (Desire has 8MP camera and a 1/2 inch larger screen) I've been using Sony Ericsson (K800 and C905) for several years and have been very happy with them (enjoy having an amazing camera handy) I was hoping if anybody who has used 1 or more of these devices could give me their personal thoughts/experience on them.
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If you plan to download/purhcase apps, avoid BB Torch, it's buggy (from an app developer's perspective, dunno for end user). WP7 is *going to be* awesome, when they get the Mango update out. Currently, it's very 'rough at the edges'. HTC's Android phones are very good droids, not so sure about the SE. It really depends what you plan with your next phone. Do you want to do some development on it, install apps, use browser, or just photo + phone?
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So, My mobile Contract is coming due at the end of June, I'm begining to look around at new Phones. Got a short list of devices I'm considering: (WP7)HTC 7 Trophy [^] BlackBerry Torch[^] (Andriod)HTC Desire HD [^] (Andriod)Sony Ericsson Xperia arc[^] I'm curious about the Windows Phone 7 OS and what it can do. I hear it's awesome for gaming, but I'm hoping it is not just aimed toward gamers. I've been told how awesome the BB is (you can pilot an x-wing remotely, boil the kettle, etc :laugh: ), but you can't turn off the messaging. A Good friend of mine sings praises for the HTC Desire, but the contract it is double the price of the WP7 HTC and the hardware spec is very similar (Desire has 8MP camera and a 1/2 inch larger screen) I've been using Sony Ericsson (K800 and C905) for several years and have been very happy with them (enjoy having an amazing camera handy) I was hoping if anybody who has used 1 or more of these devices could give me their personal thoughts/experience on them.
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Shane Horn wrote:
I hear it's awesome for gaming,
Well, it's awesome for shoving the more expensive xbox live titles in your face. Aside from that there are a some solid independent titles in the market. The email features of WP7 are done very well. The phones biggest drawback for me is lack of multi-tasking. That's supposed to be coming in the next release but MS is taking their sweet time about it.
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So, My mobile Contract is coming due at the end of June, I'm begining to look around at new Phones. Got a short list of devices I'm considering: (WP7)HTC 7 Trophy [^] BlackBerry Torch[^] (Andriod)HTC Desire HD [^] (Andriod)Sony Ericsson Xperia arc[^] I'm curious about the Windows Phone 7 OS and what it can do. I hear it's awesome for gaming, but I'm hoping it is not just aimed toward gamers. I've been told how awesome the BB is (you can pilot an x-wing remotely, boil the kettle, etc :laugh: ), but you can't turn off the messaging. A Good friend of mine sings praises for the HTC Desire, but the contract it is double the price of the WP7 HTC and the hardware spec is very similar (Desire has 8MP camera and a 1/2 inch larger screen) I've been using Sony Ericsson (K800 and C905) for several years and have been very happy with them (enjoy having an amazing camera handy) I was hoping if anybody who has used 1 or more of these devices could give me their personal thoughts/experience on them.
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When I played the WP7 vs. Android game a few months back, the Android-powered HTC Inspire won because it had, in my opinion, a far superior interface. That's coming from a developers perspective, however. I've also had a Sony Ericsson for many years.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
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My fiancee got an HTC Desire HD. Nice phone, more feature complete than my iPhone. The only drawback is the battery life, with normal usage you need to recharge every night. I suppose this is common with phones with such a large screen.
-- Si dos montan un caballo, uno debe ir detrás.
I can easily go three days on a charge with my HTC Inspire. You do have to turn down/off some of the superfluous stuff, though, which most folks don't need anyhow.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
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Shane Horn wrote:
I hear it's awesome for gaming,
Well, it's awesome for shoving the more expensive xbox live titles in your face. Aside from that there are a some solid independent titles in the market. The email features of WP7 are done very well. The phones biggest drawback for me is lack of multi-tasking. That's supposed to be coming in the next release but MS is taking their sweet time about it.
thrakazog wrote:
MS is taking their sweet time about it
Compared to whom? If Android, I see your point. On the other hand, how long did it take for iOS to get multitasking? Three years? (Seriously, I don't remember how long it took, but it was quite a stretch for multitasking and copy/paste.) And does Blackberry have multitasking yet? I understand that WP7 has older WinCE code under the hood, but it's still essentially a new OS and an all-new UI. It's less than a year old and is quite functional (not to mention an absolute joy to use). They're saying Mango will be out in the fall, so within roughly a year of the initial release, we'll have multitasking. I'd say that's the opposite of taking their sweet time. :-D
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When I played the WP7 vs. Android game a few months back, the Android-powered HTC Inspire won because it had, in my opinion, a far superior interface. That's coming from a developers perspective, however. I've also had a Sony Ericsson for many years.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
Interesting. I'm a developer and I absolutely love the UI on my Windows Phone. Perhaps because I have had a Zune HD since shortly after they came out and have loved it since I got it.
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So, My mobile Contract is coming due at the end of June, I'm begining to look around at new Phones. Got a short list of devices I'm considering: (WP7)HTC 7 Trophy [^] BlackBerry Torch[^] (Andriod)HTC Desire HD [^] (Andriod)Sony Ericsson Xperia arc[^] I'm curious about the Windows Phone 7 OS and what it can do. I hear it's awesome for gaming, but I'm hoping it is not just aimed toward gamers. I've been told how awesome the BB is (you can pilot an x-wing remotely, boil the kettle, etc :laugh: ), but you can't turn off the messaging. A Good friend of mine sings praises for the HTC Desire, but the contract it is double the price of the WP7 HTC and the hardware spec is very similar (Desire has 8MP camera and a 1/2 inch larger screen) I've been using Sony Ericsson (K800 and C905) for several years and have been very happy with them (enjoy having an amazing camera handy) I was hoping if anybody who has used 1 or more of these devices could give me their personal thoughts/experience on them.
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I love my Samsung Focus (WP7) on AT&T. It's a beautiful phone, big screen, very responsive. I love the UI -- it just works for me. I don't feel like it's aimed at gamers, though there are a number of nice games for it and more on the way. It's got Office Mobile, and OneNote will sync with SkyDrive. Everything else in Office will sync with SharePoint if you've got access to that. I believe that all of Office will sync with SkyDrive with the Mango update, which will be great. Anyway, I almost qualify as a fanboi at this point, but at least it's because I'm using the OS and loving it.
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So, My mobile Contract is coming due at the end of June, I'm begining to look around at new Phones. Got a short list of devices I'm considering: (WP7)HTC 7 Trophy [^] BlackBerry Torch[^] (Andriod)HTC Desire HD [^] (Andriod)Sony Ericsson Xperia arc[^] I'm curious about the Windows Phone 7 OS and what it can do. I hear it's awesome for gaming, but I'm hoping it is not just aimed toward gamers. I've been told how awesome the BB is (you can pilot an x-wing remotely, boil the kettle, etc :laugh: ), but you can't turn off the messaging. A Good friend of mine sings praises for the HTC Desire, but the contract it is double the price of the WP7 HTC and the hardware spec is very similar (Desire has 8MP camera and a 1/2 inch larger screen) I've been using Sony Ericsson (K800 and C905) for several years and have been very happy with them (enjoy having an amazing camera handy) I was hoping if anybody who has used 1 or more of these devices could give me their personal thoughts/experience on them.
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I have had an Android, and currently have an iPhone4 and a WP7 (HD7). I liked the Android phone at first, but the latest OS update for the phone (2.2) made some interesting changes that I did not like. I gave the phone to my youngest, so I still have it around. After the OS update, the battery life dropped a huge amount. Come to find out the OS was launching apps in the background without me doing it. Even apps that I had never run or setup to run in the background, like the stock app. After I gave it to my son, he wiped the phone and started over, and all of a sudden the Amazon app would launch without him ever running it, just having it installed. All of this made me not like Android very much. Plus the rumors that the new LTE Android phones need to be charged 3x a day almost sound true to me since with my Android I was charging 2x a day already. The iPhone4 is what I switched to for my main phone. I write iPhone (MonoTouch and C#) and WP7 apps, so I needed an iPhone to get all of the features for upcoming updates for my apps. With WP7 that I have from T-Mobile is decent enough, but I only have a data plan with that, no voice at all, so I could not tell you how it is at making calls. My work has a box of old BB that have all broken. This is a small company (~60) and we ahve a box full of broken ones? The IT group does not like the quality of the phones and we are slowly switching away from them. From the developer side, you need a box, or drawer full of devices to make sure your app runs on everything. Once you get an app running on one device, then you pull out another and test it on there, then re-test back on the first one to make sure that you did not break anything. The beauty of Java, write once, test everywhere.
Steve Maier
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Interesting. I'm a developer and I absolutely love the UI on my Windows Phone. Perhaps because I have had a Zune HD since shortly after they came out and have loved it since I got it.
I was really hoping that I would like it more so that I could develop apps for it. My wife has one and I do not like using it. Compared to my Android, most of the screens are harder to use simply because they are all white text on black background; it's near impossible to find stuff in the store, and when I do shop, I'm inundated with music and videos; synchronizing with Windows Live has been nothing but a challenge (I've even had WP7 experts tell me that to do it right, I need to get Outlook involved); connecting to the 3G network (when a WAP is unavailable) has yet to work; taking a picture and then doing something with it takes way too many steps. It seems that each time I pick it up to do something for her, I find something else that I do not like. Now compared to the LG non-smartphone that she had for years prior, sure it's great.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
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thrakazog wrote:
MS is taking their sweet time about it
Compared to whom? If Android, I see your point. On the other hand, how long did it take for iOS to get multitasking? Three years? (Seriously, I don't remember how long it took, but it was quite a stretch for multitasking and copy/paste.) And does Blackberry have multitasking yet? I understand that WP7 has older WinCE code under the hood, but it's still essentially a new OS and an all-new UI. It's less than a year old and is quite functional (not to mention an absolute joy to use). They're saying Mango will be out in the fall, so within roughly a year of the initial release, we'll have multitasking. I'd say that's the opposite of taking their sweet time. :-D
Marc A. Brown wrote:
I understand that WP7 has older WinCE code under the hood
I had heard it was a complete re-write. At least that's supposed to be one of the reasons none of the old winmo programs will run on the phone.
Marc A. Brown wrote:
Compared to whom?
Well, everybody I guess. My point being that regardless of how long the competition took to get multitasking, they have it now. For MS to be going toe to toe with the competition they needed this last month. And as an impatient user: I want it now! :laugh:
Marc A. Brown wrote:
They're saying Mango will be out in the fall,
My money is on Xmas.
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I have had an Android, and currently have an iPhone4 and a WP7 (HD7). I liked the Android phone at first, but the latest OS update for the phone (2.2) made some interesting changes that I did not like. I gave the phone to my youngest, so I still have it around. After the OS update, the battery life dropped a huge amount. Come to find out the OS was launching apps in the background without me doing it. Even apps that I had never run or setup to run in the background, like the stock app. After I gave it to my son, he wiped the phone and started over, and all of a sudden the Amazon app would launch without him ever running it, just having it installed. All of this made me not like Android very much. Plus the rumors that the new LTE Android phones need to be charged 3x a day almost sound true to me since with my Android I was charging 2x a day already. The iPhone4 is what I switched to for my main phone. I write iPhone (MonoTouch and C#) and WP7 apps, so I needed an iPhone to get all of the features for upcoming updates for my apps. With WP7 that I have from T-Mobile is decent enough, but I only have a data plan with that, no voice at all, so I could not tell you how it is at making calls. My work has a box of old BB that have all broken. This is a small company (~60) and we ahve a box full of broken ones? The IT group does not like the quality of the phones and we are slowly switching away from them. From the developer side, you need a box, or drawer full of devices to make sure your app runs on everything. Once you get an app running on one device, then you pull out another and test it on there, then re-test back on the first one to make sure that you did not break anything. The beauty of Java, write once, test everywhere.
Steve Maier
Steve Maier wrote:
Plus the rumors that the new LTE Android phones need to be charged 3x a day almost sound true to me since with my Android I was charging 2x a day already.
See my response here. If you leave Facebook, Twitter, and GPS apps running in the background, they will indeed drain the battery within a day. I've got my screen set to 30% and it's still plenty bright. Keypad vibration is another battery killer.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
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I was really hoping that I would like it more so that I could develop apps for it. My wife has one and I do not like using it. Compared to my Android, most of the screens are harder to use simply because they are all white text on black background; it's near impossible to find stuff in the store, and when I do shop, I'm inundated with music and videos; synchronizing with Windows Live has been nothing but a challenge (I've even had WP7 experts tell me that to do it right, I need to get Outlook involved); connecting to the 3G network (when a WAP is unavailable) has yet to work; taking a picture and then doing something with it takes way too many steps. It seems that each time I pick it up to do something for her, I find something else that I do not like. Now compared to the LG non-smartphone that she had for years prior, sure it's great.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
If it were your phone, you could switch to black text on a white background. That's a theme setting. The first generation marketplace was awful. Everything jumbled together no matter where you were searching from. Fortunately they've fixed that with the NoDo update. Now if you're in the games or apps section of the marketplace, you only get games & apps. If you're in the music section, you only get music. Huge improvement. I set up a relative's WP7 device and had no problems with Windows Live for them. Granted, I was syncing her contacts to WL from her phone (the salesperson had moved her contacts from the old phone to the new), but it just worked. I keep my contacts on a google apps account, so I can't speak for syncing from WL to WP7. Not sure what's going on for you with transitioning between networks. It just works for me. My pictures automatically sync with SkyDrive as I take them and sending one to someone has never seemed to be a drawn out process to me.
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Marc A. Brown wrote:
I understand that WP7 has older WinCE code under the hood
I had heard it was a complete re-write. At least that's supposed to be one of the reasons none of the old winmo programs will run on the phone.
Marc A. Brown wrote:
Compared to whom?
Well, everybody I guess. My point being that regardless of how long the competition took to get multitasking, they have it now. For MS to be going toe to toe with the competition they needed this last month. And as an impatient user: I want it now! :laugh:
Marc A. Brown wrote:
They're saying Mango will be out in the fall,
My money is on Xmas.
thrakazog wrote:
I had heard it was a complete re-write.
I've heard both.
thrakazog wrote:
For MS to be going toe to toe with the competition they needed this last month.
Actually, I feel like they needed a stable (if feature-light) initial release and quick (but again stable) updates. They nailed the stable initial release and had great features. I'd like to see more frequent updates, but what's come out has been rock-solid again (for me, at least). Copy/paste in 6 months, when it wasn't even on their radar? Nicely done. Multitasking in a year? Again, Apple took at least 3 years, if memory serves. Even if they're still behind on checklist features by the time Mango is released, they're catching up fast.
thrakazog wrote:
And as an impatient user: I want it now!
Me too, actually. But I'm willing to wait for quality. :)
thrakazog wrote:
My money is on Xmas.
I'd say it'll be on new phones in time for the Christmas shopping season and will be available as an update shortly after the beginning of 2012.
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Steve Maier wrote:
Plus the rumors that the new LTE Android phones need to be charged 3x a day almost sound true to me since with my Android I was charging 2x a day already.
See my response here. If you leave Facebook, Twitter, and GPS apps running in the background, they will indeed drain the battery within a day. I've got my screen set to 30% and it's still plenty bright. Keypad vibration is another battery killer.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
agreed ... once you turn off the auto-crap battery life doubles or triples also people seem to blame android for the crapware the carriers infest phones with if you don't want crapware don't buy subsidised simple :)
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
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So, My mobile Contract is coming due at the end of June, I'm begining to look around at new Phones. Got a short list of devices I'm considering: (WP7)HTC 7 Trophy [^] BlackBerry Torch[^] (Andriod)HTC Desire HD [^] (Andriod)Sony Ericsson Xperia arc[^] I'm curious about the Windows Phone 7 OS and what it can do. I hear it's awesome for gaming, but I'm hoping it is not just aimed toward gamers. I've been told how awesome the BB is (you can pilot an x-wing remotely, boil the kettle, etc :laugh: ), but you can't turn off the messaging. A Good friend of mine sings praises for the HTC Desire, but the contract it is double the price of the WP7 HTC and the hardware spec is very similar (Desire has 8MP camera and a 1/2 inch larger screen) I've been using Sony Ericsson (K800 and C905) for several years and have been very happy with them (enjoy having an amazing camera handy) I was hoping if anybody who has used 1 or more of these devices could give me their personal thoughts/experience on them.
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I had the blackberry torch for 1 month and hated it. The design is flimsy and the phone isn't very responsive. However, I then bought a blackberry bold 9780 and absolutely love it.
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agreed ... once you turn off the auto-crap battery life doubles or triples also people seem to blame android for the crapware the carriers infest phones with if you don't want crapware don't buy subsidised simple :)
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
l a u r e n wrote:
also people seem to blame android for the crapware the carriers infest phones with
True. I have at least six, if not more, that run each time the phone is powered on. I can turn them off but can't uninstall them unless I rooted my phone.
l a u r e n wrote:
if you don't want crapware don't buy subsidised
simpleVery few could (at least I can't) afford the $$$ price tag of an unlocked phone. I had a very hard time justifying the $99 I spent on my latest.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
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Steve Maier wrote:
Plus the rumors that the new LTE Android phones need to be charged 3x a day almost sound true to me since with my Android I was charging 2x a day already.
See my response here. If you leave Facebook, Twitter, and GPS apps running in the background, they will indeed drain the battery within a day. I've got my screen set to 30% and it's still plenty bright. Keypad vibration is another battery killer.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
I had all of those things turned off and the screen about 30% brightness as well. The main issue was all of the apps that kept launching themselves and even re-launching after you killed them. And since I never used the stocks app, it launching and relaunching kinda showed that it was not just the things that I had running (email and texting only). Of course I totally understood the battery drain when I was standing next to the xray equipment at work since the lead kinda stopped all signals, but I am talking about at my desk right next to a window.
Steve Maier
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So, My mobile Contract is coming due at the end of June, I'm begining to look around at new Phones. Got a short list of devices I'm considering: (WP7)HTC 7 Trophy [^] BlackBerry Torch[^] (Andriod)HTC Desire HD [^] (Andriod)Sony Ericsson Xperia arc[^] I'm curious about the Windows Phone 7 OS and what it can do. I hear it's awesome for gaming, but I'm hoping it is not just aimed toward gamers. I've been told how awesome the BB is (you can pilot an x-wing remotely, boil the kettle, etc :laugh: ), but you can't turn off the messaging. A Good friend of mine sings praises for the HTC Desire, but the contract it is double the price of the WP7 HTC and the hardware spec is very similar (Desire has 8MP camera and a 1/2 inch larger screen) I've been using Sony Ericsson (K800 and C905) for several years and have been very happy with them (enjoy having an amazing camera handy) I was hoping if anybody who has used 1 or more of these devices could give me their personal thoughts/experience on them.
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I should wait and see if MS ends up with flies on their Mango[^] before deciding.
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