WP7
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Marc A. Brown wrote:
I understand that WP7 has older WinCE code under the hood
I had heard it was a complete re-write. At least that's supposed to be one of the reasons none of the old winmo programs will run on the phone.
Marc A. Brown wrote:
Compared to whom?
Well, everybody I guess. My point being that regardless of how long the competition took to get multitasking, they have it now. For MS to be going toe to toe with the competition they needed this last month. And as an impatient user: I want it now! :laugh:
Marc A. Brown wrote:
They're saying Mango will be out in the fall,
My money is on Xmas.
thrakazog wrote:
I had heard it was a complete re-write.
I've heard both.
thrakazog wrote:
For MS to be going toe to toe with the competition they needed this last month.
Actually, I feel like they needed a stable (if feature-light) initial release and quick (but again stable) updates. They nailed the stable initial release and had great features. I'd like to see more frequent updates, but what's come out has been rock-solid again (for me, at least). Copy/paste in 6 months, when it wasn't even on their radar? Nicely done. Multitasking in a year? Again, Apple took at least 3 years, if memory serves. Even if they're still behind on checklist features by the time Mango is released, they're catching up fast.
thrakazog wrote:
And as an impatient user: I want it now!
Me too, actually. But I'm willing to wait for quality. :)
thrakazog wrote:
My money is on Xmas.
I'd say it'll be on new phones in time for the Christmas shopping season and will be available as an update shortly after the beginning of 2012.
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Steve Maier wrote:
Plus the rumors that the new LTE Android phones need to be charged 3x a day almost sound true to me since with my Android I was charging 2x a day already.
See my response here. If you leave Facebook, Twitter, and GPS apps running in the background, they will indeed drain the battery within a day. I've got my screen set to 30% and it's still plenty bright. Keypad vibration is another battery killer.
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agreed ... once you turn off the auto-crap battery life doubles or triples also people seem to blame android for the crapware the carriers infest phones with if you don't want crapware don't buy subsidised simple :)
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So, My mobile Contract is coming due at the end of June, I'm begining to look around at new Phones. Got a short list of devices I'm considering: (WP7)HTC 7 Trophy [^] BlackBerry Torch[^] (Andriod)HTC Desire HD [^] (Andriod)Sony Ericsson Xperia arc[^] I'm curious about the Windows Phone 7 OS and what it can do. I hear it's awesome for gaming, but I'm hoping it is not just aimed toward gamers. I've been told how awesome the BB is (you can pilot an x-wing remotely, boil the kettle, etc :laugh: ), but you can't turn off the messaging. A Good friend of mine sings praises for the HTC Desire, but the contract it is double the price of the WP7 HTC and the hardware spec is very similar (Desire has 8MP camera and a 1/2 inch larger screen) I've been using Sony Ericsson (K800 and C905) for several years and have been very happy with them (enjoy having an amazing camera handy) I was hoping if anybody who has used 1 or more of these devices could give me their personal thoughts/experience on them.
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I had the blackberry torch for 1 month and hated it. The design is flimsy and the phone isn't very responsive. However, I then bought a blackberry bold 9780 and absolutely love it.
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agreed ... once you turn off the auto-crap battery life doubles or triples also people seem to blame android for the crapware the carriers infest phones with if you don't want crapware don't buy subsidised simple :)
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
l a u r e n wrote:
also people seem to blame android for the crapware the carriers infest phones with
True. I have at least six, if not more, that run each time the phone is powered on. I can turn them off but can't uninstall them unless I rooted my phone.
l a u r e n wrote:
if you don't want crapware don't buy subsidised
simpleVery few could (at least I can't) afford the $$$ price tag of an unlocked phone. I had a very hard time justifying the $99 I spent on my latest.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
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Steve Maier wrote:
Plus the rumors that the new LTE Android phones need to be charged 3x a day almost sound true to me since with my Android I was charging 2x a day already.
See my response here. If you leave Facebook, Twitter, and GPS apps running in the background, they will indeed drain the battery within a day. I've got my screen set to 30% and it's still plenty bright. Keypad vibration is another battery killer.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
I had all of those things turned off and the screen about 30% brightness as well. The main issue was all of the apps that kept launching themselves and even re-launching after you killed them. And since I never used the stocks app, it launching and relaunching kinda showed that it was not just the things that I had running (email and texting only). Of course I totally understood the battery drain when I was standing next to the xray equipment at work since the lead kinda stopped all signals, but I am talking about at my desk right next to a window.
Steve Maier
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So, My mobile Contract is coming due at the end of June, I'm begining to look around at new Phones. Got a short list of devices I'm considering: (WP7)HTC 7 Trophy [^] BlackBerry Torch[^] (Andriod)HTC Desire HD [^] (Andriod)Sony Ericsson Xperia arc[^] I'm curious about the Windows Phone 7 OS and what it can do. I hear it's awesome for gaming, but I'm hoping it is not just aimed toward gamers. I've been told how awesome the BB is (you can pilot an x-wing remotely, boil the kettle, etc :laugh: ), but you can't turn off the messaging. A Good friend of mine sings praises for the HTC Desire, but the contract it is double the price of the WP7 HTC and the hardware spec is very similar (Desire has 8MP camera and a 1/2 inch larger screen) I've been using Sony Ericsson (K800 and C905) for several years and have been very happy with them (enjoy having an amazing camera handy) I was hoping if anybody who has used 1 or more of these devices could give me their personal thoughts/experience on them.
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I should wait and see if MS ends up with flies on their Mango[^] before deciding.
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If it were your phone, you could switch to black text on a white background. That's a theme setting. The first generation marketplace was awful. Everything jumbled together no matter where you were searching from. Fortunately they've fixed that with the NoDo update. Now if you're in the games or apps section of the marketplace, you only get games & apps. If you're in the music section, you only get music. Huge improvement. I set up a relative's WP7 device and had no problems with Windows Live for them. Granted, I was syncing her contacts to WL from her phone (the salesperson had moved her contacts from the old phone to the new), but it just worked. I keep my contacts on a google apps account, so I can't speak for syncing from WL to WP7. Not sure what's going on for you with transitioning between networks. It just works for me. My pictures automatically sync with SkyDrive as I take them and sending one to someone has never seemed to be a drawn out process to me.
Marc, Do you know of a "battery widget" that I can download that will show the percentage of battery left? The 3-bar indicator at the top of the screen is not all that helpful.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
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l a u r e n wrote:
also people seem to blame android for the crapware the carriers infest phones with
True. I have at least six, if not more, that run each time the phone is powered on. I can turn them off but can't uninstall them unless I rooted my phone.
l a u r e n wrote:
if you don't want crapware don't buy subsidised
simpleVery few could (at least I can't) afford the $$$ price tag of an unlocked phone. I had a very hard time justifying the $99 I spent on my latest.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
hmmmmmmm so let me get this straight... you can't afford the full price for a phone (gadget, whatever) so you get one heavily subsidized from a 3rd party with a huge incentive to make your using the phone as expensive as possible so they make more money ... who also have a huge incentive not to upgrade your device so you will be more likely to buy another one sooner... and you blame the underlying open sourse OS that was used? you lost me on that one
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
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hmmmmmmm so let me get this straight... you can't afford the full price for a phone (gadget, whatever) so you get one heavily subsidized from a 3rd party with a huge incentive to make your using the phone as expensive as possible so they make more money ... who also have a huge incentive not to upgrade your device so you will be more likely to buy another one sooner... and you blame the underlying open sourse OS that was used? you lost me on that one
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
l a u r e n wrote:
you can't afford the full price for a phone (gadget, whatever)
True. They are way out of my budget.
l a u r e n wrote:
so you get one heavily subsidized from a 3rd party
No, not a third party at all.
l a u r e n wrote:
with a huge incentive to make your using the phone as expensive as possible
I'm not sure how they are making it that expensive for me. I only pay $40 per month, and have since my first phone back in 2001.
l a u r e n wrote:
who also have a huge incentive not to upgrade your device so you will be more likely to buy another one sooner...
Unlike most folks that get a new phone yearly, I'm on my third phone in over 10 years.
l a u r e n wrote:
and you blame the underlying open sourse OS that was used?
I don't recall blaming anyone. If you'll read my comment again, you should see that I was agreeing with you about it being the carrier, not Android, that installs the apps that cannot be uninstalled.
l a u r e n wrote:
you lost me on that one
You shouldn't get lost so easily. :rolleyes:
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
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Marc, Do you know of a "battery widget" that I can download that will show the percentage of battery left? The 3-bar indicator at the top of the screen is not all that helpful.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
Nope, sorry. There may be an app out there for that, but I haven't had a need for one so I haven't looked.
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Nope, sorry. There may be an app out there for that, but I haven't had a need for one so I haven't looked.
How about a way of changing IE's home page? Right now it just goes back to the last page that was opened. In the past few weeks, I get a message pop up about an update being available. It says to read about and install it, I need to connect the phone to the computer. I do that but nothing happens (other than the phone starts charging). Is there a "download update now" option someplace?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
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How about a way of changing IE's home page? Right now it just goes back to the last page that was opened. In the past few weeks, I get a message pop up about an update being available. It says to read about and install it, I need to connect the phone to the computer. I do that but nothing happens (other than the phone starts charging). Is there a "download update now" option someplace?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather
I don't believe IE has a home page option. I simply hit the tabs button and close any pages I'm done with before leaving IE. If you close them all, a blank tab will open by default. As to updates, you must install the Zune software client on your PC. If you've done that and the phone connects and syncs through it, you should be able to go to the Phone tab (while the phone is plugged in to the PC, of course) to kick off the update. If it doesn't say anything about an available update, you can get the Zune software to check by going to Settings/Phone (again, while the phone is connected to the PC). There is an option to check for updates there, but i can't remember what it is since I'm not at my PC. If you have trouble with my instructions, let me know and I'll see what I can do to help when I'm not almost asleep. :D
