Boy or Girl?
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Yes, it was all over TV here a couple of days back... what a pack of freaks...
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I'm sure their hearts are in the right place- but surely if they want to keep a secret, telling the newspapers isn't the best way...
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I'm sure their hearts are in the right place- but surely if they want to keep a secret, telling the newspapers isn't the best way...
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
I'm sure their hearts are in the right place
Really? It seems to me that subjecting your children to some kind of idealogical thought/social experiment of this kind borders on child abuse...
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These parents aren't telling [^] :doh:
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
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These parents aren't telling [^] :doh:
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
Gender is overrated! I used to have pink curtains when I was a baby. An aunt told my parents it would certainly make me gay. I am not gay and I can't even remember any pink curtains... Although my MSN font has been pink for years now (which lead to some funny discussions, once again emphesizing this whole 'gender thing') and I did play as Princess Peach when I played Super Mario Kart Wii last weekend :doh:
It's an OO world.
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Gender is overrated! I used to have pink curtains when I was a baby. An aunt told my parents it would certainly make me gay. I am not gay and I can't even remember any pink curtains... Although my MSN font has been pink for years now (which lead to some funny discussions, once again emphesizing this whole 'gender thing') and I did play as Princess Peach when I played Super Mario Kart Wii last weekend :doh:
It's an OO world.
Most people don't assert their gender until about 5 or 6 years old, effectively gender neutral until then, so I cannot understand why they would keep secret something that is fluid and changing. Odd. I suspect, though, that once more the puritans have asserted the word gender for the word sex, because in the vapid mindset of the 17th Century Party-poopers, the word sex has terrible connotations. Dickheads.
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Did you see the 4 year old? Biologically a boy, but pony tail and dresses like a girl...
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These parents aren't telling [^] :doh:
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
Goddamn hippies! </cartman>
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
I'm sure their hearts are in the right place
Really? It seems to me that subjecting your children to some kind of idealogical thought/social experiment of this kind borders on child abuse...
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It's a baby it has no understanding of gender, so it does not make a difference either way. When he or she gets older it will enquire out of natural curiosity what is this thing in my undies, and why does it look diffrent to yours. Nature will take care of it.
Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
I'm sure their hearts are in the right place
Really? It seems to me that subjecting your children to some kind of idealogical thought/social experiment of this kind borders on child abuse...
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Well, it sure could - depending on the circumstances. I mean, when kids are real young, they really don't care. As they get to about 5 yrs old, peer pressure starts to segregate them. At that point, if the kid wants to wear boys clothes and the parents don't let it, then that's starting to be a real problem. When you think about it, though, the peer pressure is what is wrong, it shouldn't matter. Lord knows, when I dress as a woman, I get enough abuse, so I think I know what I'm talking about.
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Well, it sure could - depending on the circumstances. I mean, when kids are real young, they really don't care. As they get to about 5 yrs old, peer pressure starts to segregate them. At that point, if the kid wants to wear boys clothes and the parents don't let it, then that's starting to be a real problem. When you think about it, though, the peer pressure is what is wrong, it shouldn't matter. Lord knows, when I dress as a woman, I get enough abuse, so I think I know what I'm talking about.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
A friend of mine (now sadly deceased) was given a girls name and dressed as a girl by his mother (who had sons and wanted a daughter) for the first years of his life. He did turn out to be gay (related or not I have no idea either way) and spent many years battling issues from those early times. He was known by all apart from his family under a different name of course, and his funeral was a very tense affair with his family trying to deny one existence that his friends had embraced completely for so long.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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A friend of mine (now sadly deceased) was given a girls name and dressed as a girl by his mother (who had sons and wanted a daughter) for the first years of his life. He did turn out to be gay (related or not I have no idea either way) and spent many years battling issues from those early times. He was known by all apart from his family under a different name of course, and his funeral was a very tense affair with his family trying to deny one existence that his friends had embraced completely for so long.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
I see that differently, though. The kid was treated as a girl - not as gender-independent.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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These parents aren't telling [^] :doh:
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
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Most people don't assert their gender until about 5 or 6 years old, effectively gender neutral until then, so I cannot understand why they would keep secret something that is fluid and changing. Odd. I suspect, though, that once more the puritans have asserted the word gender for the word sex, because in the vapid mindset of the 17th Century Party-poopers, the word sex has terrible connotations. Dickheads.
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Why does everyone assume that because the Victorians were a bunch of strait laced prudes it was worse the farther back in time you go. That was very much not the case. Just read an annotated Shakespeare and count all the dirty jokes and toilet humor in his plays.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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Most people don't assert their gender until about 5 or 6 years old, effectively gender neutral until then, so I cannot understand why they would keep secret something that is fluid and changing. Odd. I suspect, though, that once more the puritans have asserted the word gender for the word sex, because in the vapid mindset of the 17th Century Party-poopers, the word sex has terrible connotations. Dickheads.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
Sex is an act, gender is an attribute. I only need one gender, but all the sex I can get. :cool:
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Sex is an act, gender is an attribute. I only need one gender, but all the sex I can get. :cool:
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Sexuality perhaps, but not gender.
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Sexuality perhaps, but not gender.
Sexuality is also fluid, and has nothing to do with either Sex or Gender. Sex is either Male or Female Gender is either Masculine, Feminine or Neutral Sexuality is either Passive, Aggressive, Fluid or Neutral Orientation is either Heterosexual, Bisexual, Homosexual(Male and Female), or Not Present You could have a Man who is Feminine and a Passive Heterosexual. What of a Woman who is Masculine and an Aggressive Lesbian. You see labels may be important, but it is also important to attach the right ones! Gender is not Sex and it is not Orientation.
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Did you see the 4 year old? Biologically a boy, but pony tail and dresses like a girl...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Did you see the 4 year old? Biologically a boy, but pony tail and dresses like a girl...
That was the most disturbing part of the whole thing for me. This really looks like people putting an agenda before the best interests of their kids. But, who are we to say really? By refusing to have our kid Baptised I've taken a road that is still unconventional in Ireland, but thankfully less unusual than it once was. That decision was based on an agenda. I did try to ensure there wouldn't be any real problems for Junior as a consequence, but I can't hand on heart say there will be none. These parents do seem to be taking it to a whole different level though. With my decision I decided not to get Baptised because I see it as irrelevant, I simply ignore religion. These parents in their attempts to make gender a non issue have actually made gender a huge issue. Their kids are quite likely to grow up having to fight gender battles. Gender will define them..."hey...there's the boy who looks like a girl". To put it simply I think the parents are idiots, and I feel sorry for the kids. -Richard
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Sexuality is also fluid, and has nothing to do with either Sex or Gender. Sex is either Male or Female Gender is either Masculine, Feminine or Neutral Sexuality is either Passive, Aggressive, Fluid or Neutral Orientation is either Heterosexual, Bisexual, Homosexual(Male and Female), or Not Present You could have a Man who is Feminine and a Passive Heterosexual. What of a Woman who is Masculine and an Aggressive Lesbian. You see labels may be important, but it is also important to attach the right ones! Gender is not Sex and it is not Orientation.
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GENder is a GENetic attribute, it does not change. All else is psychology and unimportant.
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GENder is a GENetic attribute, it does not change. All else is psychology and unimportant.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
GENder is a GENetic attribute, it does not change
So you cannot go from Masculine to Feminine then? How odd, when all indications are that you can. Sex is a genetic attribute. In making sperm by meiosis, the X and Y chromosomes must separate in anaphase just as homologous autosomes do. Humans have 22 autosomes and 2 sex chromosomes. Because males have 2 copies of the pseudoautosomal genes, one in the pseudoautosomal region of their Y, the other in the corresponding portion of their X chromosome, meaning males can inherit the allele originally present on the X chromosome of their father and females can inherit an allele originally present on the Y chromosome of their father. SRY (for sex-determining region Y) is a the gene located on the P arm just outside the pseudoautosomal region. This is the master-switch that triggers the the embryo into a being a male. Without it, you get a female instead. On very rare occasions aneuploid humans are born with such karyotypes as XXY, XXXY, and even XXXXY. Despite their extra X chromosomes, all these cases are male. (It is import to note: almost all the genes on the X have no counterpart on the Y; thus any gene on the X, even if recessive in females, will be expressed in males.) It is similar when discussing the W-Z Sex-determining system, although the alleles are different. Now that we have addressed the genetic make up of the sexes (which of course are themselves far more complicated than I have indicated here, but I lack the inclination to start trying to explain RNA Dependent DNA Polymerase (aka Reverse transcriptase) and it's effect on the the meiosis of germ line cells, nor of Retrotransposons and Telomerase and what it does to the Haploid groups (and the polyploidy effects it can have if not coded correctly, we can move on to Gender. Gender is not sex, gender is whether something has the style or mannerisms or attitude of a sex without the sex being important to those attributes. Thus one could encounter a very masculine woman or a very feminine man, and in neither case does the sex of the individual have any bearing on that individuals gender. Nor does the gender dictate the orientation. One could be a masculine woman but still have heterosexual orientation. Gender is often used incorrectly by puritanical Politically Correct wankers when they mean sex but dislike the word because in their warp minds it is somehow "Dirty".
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