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  • P Pete OHanlon

    And you complain about others having a go at your language of choice. Just the tiniest bit hypocritical there.

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    Gregory Gadow
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    I am not "having a go" at anyone's choice of language. That doesn't make it any less astonishing that a programming language as old as COBOL is not only still around but still being actively developed.

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    • D Dan Neely

      You can use that to meld .net for new features into the legacy apps you can't put out of your misery...

      3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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      Gregory Gadow
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      I understand that there is an awful lot of legacy code out there; I got my current job in 1996 by being the only person interviewed who would admit to knowing COBOL (at that time, my company actually had an IBM minicomputer running JCL and using batched RM-COBOL applets over a non-relational database. I still have nightmares.) I just find it amazing that COBOL is still around. The financial industry (where I work) was forced by federal regulation to address the Y2K problem; most firms abandoned the old COBOL programs and upgraded to newer systems. It always surprises me that there is still enough of the codebase still in use to merit continued development of COBOL programming platforms.

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      • G Gregory Gadow

        I am not "having a go" at anyone's choice of language. That doesn't make it any less astonishing that a programming language as old as COBOL is not only still around but still being actively developed.

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        Pete OHanlon
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        There's a lot more COBOL code around than VB code. A lot of the worlds largest institutions still have a load of legacy code. Why is it surprising that they would want to be supported?

        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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        • R Reelix

          Pascal, Delphi 5, C++, AND VB? :^) Pretty wide skill base you have there!

          -= Reelix =-

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          Rob Grainger
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          I beg to differ. 1. Pascal and Delphi are both variants of Pascal, Delphi adding OO extensions. 2. C++ is an extension of C, adding OO extensions 3. VB is an extension of BASIC, with extensions I'd hesitate to call OO (until VB.NET) So in all 3 cases you're looking at a procedural language extended with OO functionality. To me, a wide skill base should cover at least one other paradigm: functional (LISP, ...), logical (PROLOG) or really object-oriented (Smalltalk) (I've tried to keep to languages available at the time). Switching paradigm has a more profound effect on your approach to programming, and is something I cannot recommend highly enough.

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          • realJSOPR realJSOP

            Welcome to the early 1990's... PC's don't need "fixing" anymore. You just throw the broken one away and run down to McDonald's and order one with your Happy Meal.

            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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            Albert Holguin
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            PC's are pretty cheap nowadays... but I still see people hanging on to old technology like it was worth a million bucks! :doh:

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            • realJSOPR realJSOP

              Welcome to the early 1990's... PC's don't need "fixing" anymore. You just throw the broken one away and run down to McDonald's and order one with your Happy Meal.

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997

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              Gary Wheeler
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              Sounds like you're still reacting a bit to Maunder's earlier riposte[^] :).

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              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                Recruiters still call about Vb6 and Access and to be honest, C++ and HTML are highly relevant techs. I am surprised how many .NET Web Architects aren't familiar with HTML or Javascript. Embarrassing really.

                Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost

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                Gary Wheeler
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                Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                .NET Web Architects aren't familiar with HTML or Javascript

                Isn't that like a bricklayer that's never heard of mortar? A house painter that doesn't use paint? A lawyer who deals honestly with his clients? (you get the idea)

                Software Zen: delete this;

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                • G Gary Wheeler

                  Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                  .NET Web Architects aren't familiar with HTML or Javascript

                  Isn't that like a bricklayer that's never heard of mortar? A house painter that doesn't use paint? A lawyer who deals honestly with his clients? (you get the idea)

                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                  Simon_Whale
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                  true but sadly I use to work with someone who developed in Java and couldn't get to grips with OO with .net

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                  • G Gregory Gadow

                    I understand that there is an awful lot of legacy code out there; I got my current job in 1996 by being the only person interviewed who would admit to knowing COBOL (at that time, my company actually had an IBM minicomputer running JCL and using batched RM-COBOL applets over a non-relational database. I still have nightmares.) I just find it amazing that COBOL is still around. The financial industry (where I work) was forced by federal regulation to address the Y2K problem; most firms abandoned the old COBOL programs and upgraded to newer systems. It always surprises me that there is still enough of the codebase still in use to merit continued development of COBOL programming platforms.

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                    Dan Neely
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                    Dunno, I have a friend whose job until about 2 years ago was 50% cobol/50% other (originally SQL, at the end SAP). IIRC when his division was sold off the new buyer only kept the SAP part of the software they inherited.

                    3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                    • R Reelix

                      Whilst browsing the local IT classifieds, I saw the following:

                      Wanted: IT wizard
                      I m looking for enjoyable job in IT field. Turbo pascal, delphi 5, cobol 85, c++ ,html,VB, pc fixing ,, maintainanc, web site design using html n network. should be in *Removed* .

                      Wow.... Is it just me, or do some of these seem a bit... outdated?

                      -= Reelix =-

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                      clientSurfer
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                      Wow he forgot TRS-80 Level 2 BASIC

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