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    Bram van Kampen
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    Hi, Ignorance of the law is no defence. At the same time, Laws are made, by parliament, also, law is made by the judicial system. Sometimes, in cases op public interest, the decissions are widely publicised. The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there. How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew. Bram :)

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      Hi, Ignorance of the law is no defence. At the same time, Laws are made, by parliament, also, law is made by the judicial system. Sometimes, in cases op public interest, the decissions are widely publicised. The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there. How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew. Bram :)

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      GenJerDan
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      Actually, you didn't quite get the phrase right. It's Ignorance is nine-tenths of the law. ;)

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        Hi, Ignorance of the law is no defence. At the same time, Laws are made, by parliament, also, law is made by the judicial system. Sometimes, in cases op public interest, the decissions are widely publicised. The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there. How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew. Bram :)

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        If it feels good, it's probably illegal.

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          Hi, Ignorance of the law is no defence. At the same time, Laws are made, by parliament, also, law is made by the judicial system. Sometimes, in cases op public interest, the decissions are widely publicised. The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there. How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew. Bram :)

          Bram van Kampen

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          Repeal Ohm's Law!

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            Repeal Ohm's Law!

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            You'll get no resistance from me.

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              You'll get no resistance from me.

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              R Giskard Reventlov
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              Electrifying discussion.

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                Hi, Ignorance of the law is no defence. At the same time, Laws are made, by parliament, also, law is made by the judicial system. Sometimes, in cases op public interest, the decissions are widely publicised. The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there. How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew. Bram :)

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                Lost User
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                Given how ignorant some people are about anything then there would be no law.

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                  Hi, Ignorance of the law is no defence. At the same time, Laws are made, by parliament, also, law is made by the judicial system. Sometimes, in cases op public interest, the decissions are widely publicised. The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there. How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew. Bram :)

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                  Daniel Turini
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                  But OTOH if Ignorance of Law would be considered a valid defense, then it would be the only defense.

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                    Electrifying discussion.

                    "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me

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                    A current issue!

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                      A current issue!

                      Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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                      Provided there is ampple evidence.

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                        Hi, Ignorance of the law is no defence. At the same time, Laws are made, by parliament, also, law is made by the judicial system. Sometimes, in cases op public interest, the decissions are widely publicised. The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there. How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew. Bram :)

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                        Roger Wright
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                        It's a conspiracy of lawyers; by keeping all the laws secret they ensure that we'll all have to hire them for every trivial decision. They get away with it because all the judges are lawyers, too. :-D In the US, though, we're a little bit luckier. All statutary law is required to be on public record, and these days that means it's available on the Internet. Case law - the kind made in courtroom decisions rather than by legislators - can be more difficult, but it's all out there. Some publishers collect Appeals Court transcripts and make them available online for a fee.

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                          Hi, Ignorance of the law is no defence. At the same time, Laws are made, by parliament, also, law is made by the judicial system. Sometimes, in cases op public interest, the decissions are widely publicised. The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there. How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew. Bram :)

                          Bram van Kampen

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                          Maximilien
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                          Bram van Kampen wrote:

                          The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there.

                          Where is that ??? If a law is not "visible" to the common man, than it has no legal ground; and evertytime someone gets cited (?) against that law, then it should must be invalidated by the courts. Most civil and commercials laws are very (overly) complex, people tend to know the generics but not the details and because it's very complex people need to intermediaries to understand and mostly apply the differents article when doing mediation (which is the bulk of the work of lawyers). M.

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                            Hi, Ignorance of the law is no defence. At the same time, Laws are made, by parliament, also, law is made by the judicial system. Sometimes, in cases op public interest, the decissions are widely publicised. The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there. How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew. Bram :)

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                            Bram van Kampen wrote:

                            How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew.

                            You cannot. That's why things such as your right against self-incrimination are so important. Keeping your mouth shut goes along with that, because chances are you've committed some crime you didn't know about. The people that think the justice system is just are clueless.

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                              Hi, Ignorance of the law is no defence. At the same time, Laws are made, by parliament, also, law is made by the judicial system. Sometimes, in cases op public interest, the decissions are widely publicised. The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there. How can I than comply with the law if part of it is secluded to be viewed only by a selectd fiew. Bram :)

                              Bram van Kampen

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                              Christian Graus
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                              It's true, however, that most people in court, are in court for doing things that everyone knows are illegal.

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                                Bram van Kampen wrote:

                                The remainder is confined to the 'Law Library' Odinary Public has no access there.

                                Where is that ??? If a law is not "visible" to the common man, than it has no legal ground; and evertytime someone gets cited (?) against that law, then it should must be invalidated by the courts. Most civil and commercials laws are very (overly) complex, people tend to know the generics but not the details and because it's very complex people need to intermediaries to understand and mostly apply the differents article when doing mediation (which is the bulk of the work of lawyers). M.

                                Watched code never compiles.

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                                Roger Wright
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                                It's still a conspiracy, as lawyers wrote those laws that way specifically to ensure that normal people have to hire them. There is no excuse for such complexity, and no law that cannot be written in such a way that any reasonably bright person can understand.

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                                  It's still a conspiracy, as lawyers wrote those laws that way specifically to ensure that normal people have to hire them. There is no excuse for such complexity, and no law that cannot be written in such a way that any reasonably bright person can understand.

                                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                                  LabVIEWstuff
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                                  Couldn't agree with you more Roger. Law and accountancy are two self-perpetuating cliques that invest their activities with unneccessary complication purely to keep themselves in jobs. To my mind the only 'profession' worth of the name is medicine. I would also make a case for Engineering, but apparantly the UK is alone in not considering this a profession for some reason. Andy B

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