New rules for Catholic church and sexual abuse
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wolfbinary wrote:
If there is a god, Jesus died for nothing.
And if there is not a god then jesus died for nothing.
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God - Jesus. 2 mythical characters. Interesting but not very exciting or believable. All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!![^] - now at least there's proof that exists: we've all eaten spag bol. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Bah, he didn't die... He's an immortal college professor living somewhere in the US. (Maybe this reference is a bit too obscure, even for CP)
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)The Man from Earth[^]? Great film.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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God - Jesus. 2 mythical characters. Interesting but not very exciting or believable. All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!![^] - now at least there's proof that exists: we've all eaten spag bol. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
It's not that they're not exciting... It's that they're two-dimensional. It's just bad writing. Whoever started that fairy tale should have added a bit more suspense and character development. Honestly, the whole dues ex machina device in that series is a little overused. I give it a 4 out of 10 for effort, but only a 2 overall.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
The Man from Earth[^]? Great film.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Well done :)
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
It's not that they're not exciting... It's that they're two-dimensional. It's just bad writing. Whoever started that fairy tale should have added a bit more suspense and character development. Honestly, the whole dues ex machina device in that series is a little overused. I give it a 4 out of 10 for effort, but only a 2 overall.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
I give it a 4 out of 10 for effort, but only a 2 overall.
You're being overly generous.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
I give it a 4 out of 10 for effort, but only a 2 overall.
You're being overly generous.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Well, you have to give it a little credit... Despite its shortcomings, it's been a top-selling fantasy franchise for a couple thousand years. I mean, I'm sure certain modern authors have surpassed it briefly, but it always seems to make its way back to the top ten list. I would even venture to call it..... (wait for it)..... a cult classic. :-D
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Well, you have to give it a little credit... Despite its shortcomings, it's been a top-selling fantasy franchise for a couple thousand years. I mean, I'm sure certain modern authors have surpassed it briefly, but it always seems to make its way back to the top ten list. I would even venture to call it..... (wait for it)..... a cult classic. :-D
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
it always seems to make its way back to the top ten list.
Bizarre that: I put it down to mass-ignorance: do you know there are people that actually believe that the bible is a true account of historical events? Imagine that. That's like believing that Harry Potter is real and a danger to your kids. :-)
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The Bishop's Conference said that the American Catholic Church considers child pornography to be a form of child abuse and against church law. It said that abusing the mentally disabled of any age was the equivalent of child abuse. Almost ten years ago it repudiated the idea of concealing child abuse by priests in order to protect the reputation of the church and ordered that priests accused of having abused children be turned over to the cops. The revisions mean that any priest found with child pornography or who abuses retardates will also be turned over. There is certainly nothing in the revisions or the original charter that indicates that the Church claims special status for its priests, or intends to cover up their predation. CNN found one guy - who makes his living by attacking the Church - who says that the Church isn't doing what it said it was doing. It is possible that this guy is telling the truth. I have no idea, but I saw nothing in the brief article by CNN, or a couple of longer ones that I searched out, that suggested there are facts backing his accusations. Am I missing something? Although there's no doubt that there are pedophile priests, there are also statistics that show that there are pedophile rabbis, ministers, and imams. Pedophile teachers abound and, until recently, were often covered for by the school system in much the same way as the Catholic Church covered for its own - but ALL of these are a drop in the bucket. Most children who are abused are abused by their fathers, stepfathers, uncles, or elder brothers, and their crimes are covered up completely and thoroughly. It is estimated that there are 60 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse in America today, and the great majority of those who are Catholic were abused by a family member. For the record, I am not now, nor have I ever been a Catholic and while I did have sex with a priest, she was Episcopal and we were both in our 40's. ;)
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
it always seems to make its way back to the top ten list.
Bizarre that: I put it down to mass-ignorance: do you know there are people that actually believe that the bible is a true account of historical events? Imagine that. That's like believing that Harry Potter is real and a danger to your kids. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Yeah, I mean who would base their life on a fantasy novel[^]? It boggles the mind. Personally, I prefer to invent my own religions... Granted, there are really only two things in my novels that could be called "religions." One is the Children of Daco, a stereotypical cult (And referred to as such)... ...and the other is... um... the Demon Collective... Like, actual demons... Ya know, now that I think about it, I don't treat religion very kindly in my novels...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
The Bishop's Conference said that the American Catholic Church considers child pornography to be a form of child abuse and against church law. It said that abusing the mentally disabled of any age was the equivalent of child abuse. Almost ten years ago it repudiated the idea of concealing child abuse by priests in order to protect the reputation of the church and ordered that priests accused of having abused children be turned over to the cops. The revisions mean that any priest found with child pornography or who abuses retardates will also be turned over. There is certainly nothing in the revisions or the original charter that indicates that the Church claims special status for its priests, or intends to cover up their predation. CNN found one guy - who makes his living by attacking the Church - who says that the Church isn't doing what it said it was doing. It is possible that this guy is telling the truth. I have no idea, but I saw nothing in the brief article by CNN, or a couple of longer ones that I searched out, that suggested there are facts backing his accusations. Am I missing something? Although there's no doubt that there are pedophile priests, there are also statistics that show that there are pedophile rabbis, ministers, and imams. Pedophile teachers abound and, until recently, were often covered for by the school system in much the same way as the Catholic Church covered for its own - but ALL of these are a drop in the bucket. Most children who are abused are abused by their fathers, stepfathers, uncles, or elder brothers, and their crimes are covered up completely and thoroughly. It is estimated that there are 60 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse in America today, and the great majority of those who are Catholic were abused by a family member. For the record, I am not now, nor have I ever been a Catholic and while I did have sex with a priest, she was Episcopal and we were both in our 40's. ;)
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
there are also statistics that show that there are pedophile rabbis, ministers, and imams.
Correct. However, I'm talking about the Catholic church.
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Oakman wrote:
there are also statistics that show that there are pedophile rabbis, ministers, and imams.
Correct. However, I'm talking about the Catholic church.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Correct. However, I'm talking about the Catholic church.
Why single them out? Is there any logic or just personal prejudice?
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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The Bishop's Conference said that the American Catholic Church considers child pornography to be a form of child abuse and against church law. It said that abusing the mentally disabled of any age was the equivalent of child abuse. Almost ten years ago it repudiated the idea of concealing child abuse by priests in order to protect the reputation of the church and ordered that priests accused of having abused children be turned over to the cops. The revisions mean that any priest found with child pornography or who abuses retardates will also be turned over. There is certainly nothing in the revisions or the original charter that indicates that the Church claims special status for its priests, or intends to cover up their predation. CNN found one guy - who makes his living by attacking the Church - who says that the Church isn't doing what it said it was doing. It is possible that this guy is telling the truth. I have no idea, but I saw nothing in the brief article by CNN, or a couple of longer ones that I searched out, that suggested there are facts backing his accusations. Am I missing something? Although there's no doubt that there are pedophile priests, there are also statistics that show that there are pedophile rabbis, ministers, and imams. Pedophile teachers abound and, until recently, were often covered for by the school system in much the same way as the Catholic Church covered for its own - but ALL of these are a drop in the bucket. Most children who are abused are abused by their fathers, stepfathers, uncles, or elder brothers, and their crimes are covered up completely and thoroughly. It is estimated that there are 60 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse in America today, and the great majority of those who are Catholic were abused by a family member. For the record, I am not now, nor have I ever been a Catholic and while I did have sex with a priest, she was Episcopal and we were both in our 40's. ;)
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
Am I missing something?
Yes. A lot, apparently, judging by this dumb-fuck message.
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Yeah, I mean who would base their life on a fantasy novel[^]? It boggles the mind. Personally, I prefer to invent my own religions... Granted, there are really only two things in my novels that could be called "religions." One is the Children of Daco, a stereotypical cult (And referred to as such)... ...and the other is... um... the Demon Collective... Like, actual demons... Ya know, now that I think about it, I don't treat religion very kindly in my novels...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
It boggles the mind.
Don't get me started on Scientology! Bunch of cults.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Ya know, now that I think about it, I don't treat religion very kindly in my novels...
When I finish my novel (either of the 2) religion will get short shrift.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Oakman wrote:
Am I missing something?
Yes. A lot, apparently, judging by this dumb-fuck message.
Oh leave him alone Ravel, I think you have harrased the poor guy long enough, :)
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/04/07/climate-models-go-cold/
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Oh leave him alone Ravel, I think you have harrased the poor guy long enough, :)
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/04/07/climate-models-go-cold/
When he stops being a sanctimonious douchebag, I'll stop talking to him.
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Oakman wrote:
Am I missing something?
Yes. A lot, apparently, judging by this dumb-fuck message.
Whether you agree with Oakman or not, his post wass considered, logical and polite. You could learn a lot from him, especially manners.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Correct. However, I'm talking about the Catholic church.
Why single them out? Is there any logic or just personal prejudice?
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
Why single them out?
I abhor organized religion. The Catholic church is still one of the most powerful institutions of organized religion. Their views and practices regarding sexual abuse over the centuries, really hasn't changed much at all. If it wasn't for the fact that so much publicity has been brought against the church in the last 15-20 years about this issue then I honestly think they would not have changed much about how they deal with these matters. I am very well aware of the fact that many members here are Catholics and that they most likely would rather me not post about such subjects/issues regarding their faith.
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Whether you agree with Oakman or not, his post wass considered, logical and polite. You could learn a lot from him, especially manners.
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Very well said, slayer of Trolls. ;)
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The Bishop's Conference said that the American Catholic Church considers child pornography to be a form of child abuse and against church law. It said that abusing the mentally disabled of any age was the equivalent of child abuse. Almost ten years ago it repudiated the idea of concealing child abuse by priests in order to protect the reputation of the church and ordered that priests accused of having abused children be turned over to the cops. The revisions mean that any priest found with child pornography or who abuses retardates will also be turned over. There is certainly nothing in the revisions or the original charter that indicates that the Church claims special status for its priests, or intends to cover up their predation. CNN found one guy - who makes his living by attacking the Church - who says that the Church isn't doing what it said it was doing. It is possible that this guy is telling the truth. I have no idea, but I saw nothing in the brief article by CNN, or a couple of longer ones that I searched out, that suggested there are facts backing his accusations. Am I missing something? Although there's no doubt that there are pedophile priests, there are also statistics that show that there are pedophile rabbis, ministers, and imams. Pedophile teachers abound and, until recently, were often covered for by the school system in much the same way as the Catholic Church covered for its own - but ALL of these are a drop in the bucket. Most children who are abused are abused by their fathers, stepfathers, uncles, or elder brothers, and their crimes are covered up completely and thoroughly. It is estimated that there are 60 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse in America today, and the great majority of those who are Catholic were abused by a family member. For the record, I am not now, nor have I ever been a Catholic and while I did have sex with a priest, she was Episcopal and we were both in our 40's. ;)
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
5 for a well written, infromative, logical and polite post. Hopefully the Catholic church's attitude really has changed but I have to say I am sceptical.
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
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Whether you agree with Oakman or not, his post wass considered, logical and polite. You could learn a lot from him, especially manners.
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^] "Program as if the technical support department is full of serial killers and they know your home address" - Ray Cassick Jr., RIP
He's my white whale. Anyway, he's been plenty rude to me. The things he said, though, are too obscene to repeat here.
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