New rules for Catholic church and sexual abuse
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Oakman wrote:
CNN found one guy - who makes his living by attacking the Church - who says that the Church isn't doing what it said it was doing. It is possible that this guy is telling the truth. I have no idea, but I saw nothing in the brief article by CNN, or a couple of longer ones that I searched out, that suggested there are facts backing his accusations.
Am I missing something?Not sure what you are questioning there. If the church is in fact doing what they said they are doing then why are they now creating new guidelines to address it?
Oakman wrote:
Although there's no doubt that there are pedophile priests, there are also statistics that show that there are pedophile rabbis, ministers, and imams. Pedophile teachers abound and, until recently, were often covered for by the school system in much the same way as the Catholic Church covered for its own - but ALL of these are a drop in the bucket. Most children who are abused are abused by their fathers, stepfathers, uncles, or elder brothers, and their crimes are covered up completely and thoroughly. It is estimated that there are 60 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse in America today, and the great majority of those who are Catholic were abused by a family member.
Not sure what your point is with this statement. When those who you mentioned make a press release stating that they have created new guidelines specifically to reduce the problem then at that time it might be relevant to address those other groups.
jschell wrote:
Not sure what you are questioning there. If the church is in fact doing what they said they are doing then why are they now creating new guidelines to address it?
So when I said, "The revisions mean that any priest found with child pornography or who abuses retardates will also be turned over." which part of it confused you?
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The Bishop's Conference said that the American Catholic Church considers child pornography to be a form of child abuse and against church law. It said that abusing the mentally disabled of any age was the equivalent of child abuse. Almost ten years ago it repudiated the idea of concealing child abuse by priests in order to protect the reputation of the church and ordered that priests accused of having abused children be turned over to the cops. The revisions mean that any priest found with child pornography or who abuses retardates will also be turned over. There is certainly nothing in the revisions or the original charter that indicates that the Church claims special status for its priests, or intends to cover up their predation. CNN found one guy - who makes his living by attacking the Church - who says that the Church isn't doing what it said it was doing. It is possible that this guy is telling the truth. I have no idea, but I saw nothing in the brief article by CNN, or a couple of longer ones that I searched out, that suggested there are facts backing his accusations. Am I missing something? Although there's no doubt that there are pedophile priests, there are also statistics that show that there are pedophile rabbis, ministers, and imams. Pedophile teachers abound and, until recently, were often covered for by the school system in much the same way as the Catholic Church covered for its own - but ALL of these are a drop in the bucket. Most children who are abused are abused by their fathers, stepfathers, uncles, or elder brothers, and their crimes are covered up completely and thoroughly. It is estimated that there are 60 million survivors of childhood sexual abuse in America today, and the great majority of those who are Catholic were abused by a family member. For the record, I am not now, nor have I ever been a Catholic and while I did have sex with a priest, she was Episcopal and we were both in our 40's. ;)
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Maybe you can answer a nagging question then; is the missionary position the same for all religions? :)
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Maybe you can answer a nagging question then; is the missionary position the same for all religions? :)
"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." Kierkegaard, Søren
So that's keeping you up at night worrying about it, is it? :laugh:
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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So that's keeping you up at night worrying about it, is it? :laugh:
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Merely intellectual curiosity? :)
"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." Kierkegaard, Søren
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When he stops being a sanctimonious douchebag, I'll stop talking to him.
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Maybe you can answer a nagging question then; is the missionary position the same for all religions? :)
"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." Kierkegaard, Søren
Well you got me thinking so I thought I'd goggle it, that was hours ago, what a fascinating subject that is.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Well you got me thinking so I thought I'd goggle it, that was hours ago, what a fascinating subject that is.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Well you got me thinking so I thought I'd goggle it, that was hours ago, what a fascinating subject that is.
So many of us have so much intellectual curiosity.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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When he stops being a sanctimonious douchebag, I'll stop talking to him.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
When he stops being a sanctimonious douchebag, I'll stop talking to him.
So while he stays a sanctimonious shower bag you will talk to him? :)
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Maybe you can answer a nagging question then; is the missionary position the same for all religions? :)
"Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward." Kierkegaard, Søren
Mike Hankey wrote:
is the missionary position the same for all religions?
Yes. However, which religion enjoys it more?
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
it always seems to make its way back to the top ten list.
Bizarre that: I put it down to mass-ignorance: do you know there are people that actually believe that the bible is a true account of historical events? Imagine that. That's like believing that Harry Potter is real and a danger to your kids. :-)
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digital man wrote:
do you know there are people that actually believe that the bible is a true account of historical events? Imagine that. That's like believing that Harry Potter is real and a danger to your kids.
They're the same people. And I so wish that was a joke. Harry Potter was banned from some school libraries distressingly close to me because they were essentially "Manuals on doing magic, which is prohibited by the bible." It actually makes their views of the bible make more sense: they are obviously incapable of spotting fiction.
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
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digital man wrote:
do you know there are people that actually believe that the bible is a true account of historical events? Imagine that. That's like believing that Harry Potter is real and a danger to your kids.
They're the same people. And I so wish that was a joke. Harry Potter was banned from some school libraries distressingly close to me because they were essentially "Manuals on doing magic, which is prohibited by the bible." It actually makes their views of the bible make more sense: they are obviously incapable of spotting fiction.
He said, "Boy I'm just old and lonely, But thank you for your concern, Here's wishing you a Happy New Year." I wished him one back in return.
David Kentley wrote:
Harry Potter was banned from some school libraries distressingly close to me because they were essentially "Manuals on doing magic, which is prohibited by the bible."
The Bible nowhere forbids reading material with occult elements in it. As there are witches, soothsayers, and possessed prophetesses in the Bible, it would be more than odd if Holy Writ spoke against itself. If anything, the New Testament slams those who charge the righteous with sorcery (see Matt. 12:24-28; Mark 9:38-40) The Bible does warn about using invocational magic, or sorcery - the kind of magic that has to do with praying to demons a la Dr. Faustus, as opposed to incantational magic which basically means learning the secret words and songs that are supposed to be reflections of the original creation. ("In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.") However, you are not wrong, I was contracting for awhile for a software company that provided management software for megachurches. Many of them were all a-twitter over Harry Potter and there were church discussion groups announced on the bulletin boards for the purpose of "combating" J.K. Rowling's books.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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jschell wrote:
Not sure what you are questioning there. If the church is in fact doing what they said they are doing then why are they now creating new guidelines to address it?
So when I said, "The revisions mean that any priest found with child pornography or who abuses retardates will also be turned over." which part of it confused you?
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
So when I said, "The revisions mean that any priest found with child pornography or who abuses retardates will also be turned over." which part of it confused you?
I do not find that statement confusing. I didn't even quote that. So no idea what you are focusing on that. Was that statement the only relevant one when you said "Am I missing something?" Was that statement relevant to your paraphrasing of the critic in the article and as such also relevant to when you said "Am I missing something?"
