Casual Friday Acceptability
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My new job, jeans and collared shirt. My old job was casual everyday, I'm actually shocked at what I used to wear there. On a side note, we had a new guy start yesterday. He showed up at 9.30 with a strange dress shirt and no tie and canvas shoes. Believe me, the dress code was made clear to him; business (shirt tie slacks minimum, suits are common). Our casual Friday requires a collared shirt, he wore a superhero t-shirt and showed up at 9.30 again.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
wizardzz wrote:
he wore a superhero t-shirt
I don't deal with rules. I've always worked in a creative environment (except my current job) and therefore dress codes have been lax or nonexistent! Even in the classy joints the programmers were always given free reign to dress however they liked. I went to a Catholic high school and we had a dress code (button down shirts and slacks and no sneakers). I always stretched the limits. I used to buy the cheapest paper thin white button down dress shirts and then wear the black Led Zeppelin or Rush or Ozzy Osborne t-shirt underneath it! Oh and cowboy boots. I hate cowboy boots but I was way better than loafers or deck shoes! Today I have on Chuck-T's[^] rolled up Levis a blue t-shirt and an unbuttoned Hawaiian shirt - which is actually pretty dressed up for me since I am heading out to the pub after work and you gotta impress the ladies!! :-\
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Joe Simes wrote:
I would! But I'm a dick!
:laugh: I once went to a very posh, high-class restaurant a few years ago and I did EVERYTHING wrong as far as etiquette. Elbows on the table, using the wrong silverware for my individual courses, left the napkin on the table, talking with my mouth full. You name it, I did it. You can dress me up but you can't take me out. Needless to say, I had a blast. :)
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I usually go to the most obnoxiously posh places I can find dress and act like myself (see above). But I am never rude to the wait staff and I always leave a huge tip. Needless to say I am welcome at most places I go. :-D And I usually get a nice quiet table all by my lonesome which is great for flirting with the waitresses! ;)
The environment that nurtures creative programmers kills management and marketing types - and vice versa. - Orson Scott Card
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digital man wrote:
he's just a dick.
I wear a baseball cap every day why does that make me a dick? Now granted I am a dick but not because I wear the cap! :-D
The environment that nurtures creative programmers kills management and marketing types - and vice versa. - Orson Scott Card
Joe Simes wrote:
Now granted I am a dick but not because I wear the cap!
I thought capping the dick was considered the healthy thing to do by everyone but the Pope.
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Wearing a hat indoors is wrong. Wearing a hat whilst eating is just plain rude. I don't trust men in hats. Or with beards. Or who wear contact lenses. All very suspicious behaviour trying to cover up for something.
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ChrisElston wrote:
I don't trust men in hats. Or with beards.
No wonder Santa Claus skips your house.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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wizardzz wrote:
he wore a superhero t-shirt
I don't deal with rules. I've always worked in a creative environment (except my current job) and therefore dress codes have been lax or nonexistent! Even in the classy joints the programmers were always given free reign to dress however they liked. I went to a Catholic high school and we had a dress code (button down shirts and slacks and no sneakers). I always stretched the limits. I used to buy the cheapest paper thin white button down dress shirts and then wear the black Led Zeppelin or Rush or Ozzy Osborne t-shirt underneath it! Oh and cowboy boots. I hate cowboy boots but I was way better than loafers or deck shoes! Today I have on Chuck-T's[^] rolled up Levis a blue t-shirt and an unbuttoned Hawaiian shirt - which is actually pretty dressed up for me since I am heading out to the pub after work and you gotta impress the ladies!! :-\
The environment that nurtures creative programmers kills management and marketing types - and vice versa. - Orson Scott Card
Look at my profile picture and my signature quote, do I look like the type to conform? However, everyone has a price. I do get sick of the dress code, but I still smile when I get my paystub. This is not the type of place where programmers are revered as eccentric, rock star types. I have been there, and it leads to ego-wars. I have learned to confine my urge to express myself through my always interesting and rarely appropriate socks. When I got my job 8 months ago, I basically stole my wardrobe from this guy: http://findthatstyle.com/celebrities/Adam_Scott[^]
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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To each their own. I guess I don't worry about wearing a hat in my own house to be a big deal. I could care less if my son does either. I try not to sweat the small stuff if I can.
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Slacker007 wrote:
To each their own.
Absolutely. Just thought I'd throw my hat into the ring. (sorry)
Slacker007 wrote:
I try not to sweat the small stuff if I can.
In many cases the big stuff is made up of the small stuff. Not necessarily in the case of wearing a hat in the house though. :-D
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GenJerDan wrote:
I invariably bang my head into something, sooner or later.
I can do that just fine with a hat on. :)
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That's what I meant. No visibility up there. Just as bad outside, too, for that matter...forever having branches slap me in the eye. Sneaky bastids. But the worst...well two worsts. 1) ducking between two transmitters in the satellite terminal and getting a bolt on the waveguide jammed into my head, and 2) running up the steps of the antenna and slamming my forehead into a crosspiece. That would be bad enoguh, but I was wearing my BDU cap with the pin-on rank at the time. Two little spikes go through the dammits* and my hat gets pinned to my head. The Chief freaked out when I came back into the terminal with two little streams of blood down my face. And then for a while, I looked like a teeny tiny vampire had bitten me on the forehead. *the thing in the lower right corner is a dammit[^], in case you don't know.
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Look at my profile picture and my signature quote, do I look like the type to conform? However, everyone has a price. I do get sick of the dress code, but I still smile when I get my paystub. This is not the type of place where programmers are revered as eccentric, rock star types. I have been there, and it leads to ego-wars. I have learned to confine my urge to express myself through my always interesting and rarely appropriate socks. When I got my job 8 months ago, I basically stole my wardrobe from this guy: http://findthatstyle.com/celebrities/Adam_Scott[^]
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
Actually my current position is at a Naval industrial facility (AKA a shipyard). Most of the worker bees wear hard hats and Carhartt clothes. The badge of honor here is a management position and then you see wrenchers (who have worked their way up through the ranks) try and dress up in ties and it is quite comical. As a programmer I am considered a worker, so compared to the hard hat dudes and dudettes I don't look so bad. Years ago when I worked in Boston at a video media shop all of the programmers wore black t-shirts, black jeans and Doc Martens. I wore red Doc Martens, blue jeans, tie-dyed Grateful Dead t-shirts and linen jackets (left over from my younger Chess-King days). I've always been a misfit. :cool:
The environment that nurtures creative programmers kills management and marketing types - and vice versa. - Orson Scott Card
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
I think it is wrong
Why would you care what others wear? Unless it's a ballpark style beer hat with Jack Daniels on one side and Coke on the other I don't see how this could possibly affect you. If he's willing to share, the beer hat shouldn't bother you either. Mark this down as something no human should ever care about.
thrakazog wrote:
a ballpark style beer hat with Jack Daniels on one side and Coke on the other
Now I know what I'm wearing next Friday!!
The environment that nurtures creative programmers kills management and marketing types - and vice versa. - Orson Scott Card
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Slacker007 wrote:
To each their own.
Absolutely. Just thought I'd throw my hat into the ring. (sorry)
Slacker007 wrote:
I try not to sweat the small stuff if I can.
In many cases the big stuff is made up of the small stuff. Not necessarily in the case of wearing a hat in the house though. :-D
Marc A. Brown wrote:
Just thought I'd throw my hat into the ring. (sorry)
As for me, you never need to apologize for your point of view. :)
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ChrisElston wrote:
I don't trust men in hats. Or with beards.
No wonder Santa Claus skips your house.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
No wonder Santa Claus skips your house.
:laugh: :laugh:
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Is it acceptable to wear a hat inside on "Casual Friday"... Not that I want to. I think it is wrong and there is someone where I am working right now that tends to wear a hat on Friday. Last week it was a flat cap and this week it is a plain black baseball cap. Well what do you all think, Acceptable or not? And has anyone pushed the limits for casual friday where you are?
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
I wear my ass on my head like a hat... does that count? :laugh:
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I wear my ass on my head like a hat... does that count? :laugh:
Sure and if you wear your d*** down the back you will look like Dan'l Boone! That is so not KSS it's not even funny but what do I care I'm wearing a hat!! :-D
The environment that nurtures creative programmers kills management and marketing types - and vice versa. - Orson Scott Card
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Is it acceptable to wear a hat inside on "Casual Friday"... Not that I want to. I think it is wrong and there is someone where I am working right now that tends to wear a hat on Friday. Last week it was a flat cap and this week it is a plain black baseball cap. Well what do you all think, Acceptable or not? And has anyone pushed the limits for casual friday where you are?
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Where is it written that wearing a hat indoors is wrong? It's an archaic and absurd custom that has no basis in anything relevant. In many jobs, wearing a hat indoors is a requirement, for safety reasons (hardhat) and as part of a uniform (fast food restaurants). It's a ludicrous anachronism with no redeeming social value. That said, it just plain looks silly unless it's raining and the roof leaks. Pushing the limits of Casual Friday would be tough where I work. Normal daily attire is bluejeans, a t-shirt or sweatshirt (seasonal), and boots or sneakers. Hardhats are required when inside a substation, operating heavy equipment, trenching, inspecting manholes, or other hazardous activities. Company ballcaps are recommended when swilling beer at company paties, indoors or out. The only way I could push those limits would be to show up naked. ;P
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Sure and if you wear your d*** down the back you will look like Dan'l Boone! That is so not KSS it's not even funny but what do I care I'm wearing a hat!! :-D
The environment that nurtures creative programmers kills management and marketing types - and vice versa. - Orson Scott Card
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Hats indoors have always had a "juvinille" look and feel.
I think you might be in the minority on that opinion. But honestly this entire discussion about hats is baffling to me. Is it OK to wear a watch at work? What about glasses? If I walk with a cane am I unprofessional?
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
A new intern girl (heck it could be a guy too) wears a T-Shirt that says Insert &%^$ here with an arrow pointing up.... Well. Not kewl and not professional.
Again, if the shirt doesn't affect their ability to perform their job... NOBODY should care. If I need somebody to manage a database and the most qualified person has a mo-hawk and facial tattoos: they get the job.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
I have no respect for him
If you are choosing not to respect somebody for what they choose to put on their head I'm glad I don't work with you. I do wish you the best of luck in getting that stick dislodged from your... :omg:
thrakazog wrote:
Again, if the shirt doesn't affect their ability to perform their job... NOBODY should care.
But professionals are representative; consider this: sure, the guy with facial tattoos, mohawk and the all-jean ensemble is great at managing your database. Your business is growing and now your new potential investors want to meet your team - so now he is representative of your company. So you end up taking a risk: will these potential investors see your willingness to overlook professional cultural expectations as innovative, reckless, apathetic, or something else? However, if he was dressed professionally to begin with, the potential for an immediate negative first impression (or, in some rare instances, a positive impression) is mitigated. I deal with a lot of folks and believe me, most have expectations for professional dress and behavior and if you don't meet those expectations, they don't listen to a word you have to say. This is never going to change.
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Is it acceptable to wear a hat inside on "Casual Friday"... Not that I want to. I think it is wrong and there is someone where I am working right now that tends to wear a hat on Friday. Last week it was a flat cap and this week it is a plain black baseball cap. Well what do you all think, Acceptable or not? And has anyone pushed the limits for casual friday where you are?
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
Why would you care?
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