Another b*stard trying to save his *ss
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now hold on a second. you're claiming that the republicans are suddenly the champions of diversity, tolerance and expression? the homophobic, xenophobic, church-and-state-mingling, morality-dictating republicans are now the people ensuring a diverse and tolerant USA? WTF? -c
If he won't, I will. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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If he won't, I will. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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this article[^] is about Trent Lott. I'm not a specialist of US internal politics, but from the articles I've read I believe this guy is one of these f*cking "hidden" racists, who is now ready to say anything to save his job. (This rant is NOT about the GOP, I don't know if Lott is representative of the Republican mentality)
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
I have no love for Lott, Republicans, Democrats, Thurmond, or anyone else involved in this. But 'fucking "hidden" racists'? That's a bit disturbing, Karl. Ever hear of a guy named Joseph McCarthy?
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”
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KaЯl wrote: the dreaded "N" word I thought it was "Nazi" See, you're about as well-informed as a bag of hammers. When you actually have some knowledge about what you're talking about, and when you've grown enough gray matter to actually form an opinion based on fact and studied reflection, then, and only then, may you speak. You aren't realted to the local Frog Prince are you? ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: When you actually have some knowledge about what you're talking about Instead of insulting only, you could perhaps help me by giving some references, instead. Oh, I'm just forgetting you were not capable for any positive action, i'm such a fool sometimes :) John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: when you've grown enough gray matter to actually form an opinion Don't you know the volume of the brain is not significative of the intelligence, or are you still believing this BS from the 18th century ? John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: You aren't realted to the local Frog Prince are you? I don't get it. But I'm sure it will make laugh all your little comrades :)
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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I have no love for Lott, Republicans, Democrats, Thurmond, or anyone else involved in this. But 'fucking "hidden" racists'? That's a bit disturbing, Karl. Ever hear of a guy named Joseph McCarthy?
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”
Shog9 wrote: But 'f***ing "hidden" racists'? isn't Segregationism by definition racism? Shog9 wrote: Ever hear of a guy named Joseph McCarthy? The one of the witch hunts ? His anticommunism leaded him not so far from fascism. He was eventually condamned by the US Senate, wasn't he ? Do you want to say that Lott was promoting this side of Thurmond? He couldn't ignore the other side of the character, or he's really a moron. It's like Haider in Austria promoting Hitler for his "orderly employment" policies.
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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Shog9 wrote: But 'f***ing "hidden" racists'? isn't Segregationism by definition racism? Shog9 wrote: Ever hear of a guy named Joseph McCarthy? The one of the witch hunts ? His anticommunism leaded him not so far from fascism. He was eventually condamned by the US Senate, wasn't he ? Do you want to say that Lott was promoting this side of Thurmond? He couldn't ignore the other side of the character, or he's really a moron. It's like Haider in Austria promoting Hitler for his "orderly employment" policies.
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
KaЯl wrote: isn't Segregationism by definition racism? If you're segratating based on race, yes. Which is what you meant, so, yes. What's hidden here though? AFAIK, Lott said "we'd be better off as a country if Thurmond had been elected in '48", not "Damn blacks and minorities! We'd be better off as a country if Thurmond had successfully put them in their place back in '48". KaЯl wrote: The one of the witch hunts ? His anticommunism leaded him not so far from fascism. He was eventually condamned by the US Senate, wasn't he ? Heh, he was a nasty little man who used intimidation and false allegations to ruin his opponents. Communism was one of the issues (and the most successful) that he pounced on to use towards this end. My point was, either we have had plenty of proof of Lott's racism prior to this comment (in which case we've been negligent in making him majority leader), or we have none appart from this comment (in which case it is a pathetic attempt to drive him out for other reasons, using this as a lame excuse, playing on people's fears of, and aversion to, racism).
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: being from France makes you an expert on everything in the United States It makes me a free man able to have an opinion on a lot of things.Because the audience here is half american, I adapt my topics. Would you be interested by european issues ? (Don't consider me as representative of my country, as I don't consider you as the typical american guy, frankly I don't think I am :))
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
John Simmons, Karl will you two please stop attacking each other? Exercise some civility, please. Such discussions can be done without bashing each other. Now as for the fate of Trent Lott. I think he should resign. Not because he's racist, but because people say he's racist. More important than reality is perception. And this perception will only hurt the Republican party if Lott stays in his position. For a black man to call a white man a racist is almost certain political death. Whether the accusation is true or not, does not matter. It is perception that is important. Americans have long ago ceased to thoroughly study details and have gravitated toward hype and catchy statements. In actuality, is Trent Lott a racist? Probably not. Lott explicitly praises Strom Thurmond's presidential bid. It could be racist. It could also be an example of generosity to Thurmond's 100th birthday. Lott's one statement has too much ambiguity to determine Lott as being a racist. Even if we bring in Lott's statements from other years, there's very little to indicate that Lott is a racist. That stuff about Lott opposing affirmative action does not indicate racism. I'm Chinese American and I oppose affirmative action. I'm not racist. The reason why people say Lott is racist is because the black victimization mindset forces the interpretation of things that should remain ambiguous. A white man can never contradict a black man. The black man uses victim sympathy to sway listeners. Lott's statements have only made him look worse, not better. Only a minority member can counter another minority member. A white man does not stand a chance. Lott's fate is almost certainly sealed. His prospects are dim.
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John Simmons, Karl will you two please stop attacking each other? Exercise some civility, please. Such discussions can be done without bashing each other. Now as for the fate of Trent Lott. I think he should resign. Not because he's racist, but because people say he's racist. More important than reality is perception. And this perception will only hurt the Republican party if Lott stays in his position. For a black man to call a white man a racist is almost certain political death. Whether the accusation is true or not, does not matter. It is perception that is important. Americans have long ago ceased to thoroughly study details and have gravitated toward hype and catchy statements. In actuality, is Trent Lott a racist? Probably not. Lott explicitly praises Strom Thurmond's presidential bid. It could be racist. It could also be an example of generosity to Thurmond's 100th birthday. Lott's one statement has too much ambiguity to determine Lott as being a racist. Even if we bring in Lott's statements from other years, there's very little to indicate that Lott is a racist. That stuff about Lott opposing affirmative action does not indicate racism. I'm Chinese American and I oppose affirmative action. I'm not racist. The reason why people say Lott is racist is because the black victimization mindset forces the interpretation of things that should remain ambiguous. A white man can never contradict a black man. The black man uses victim sympathy to sway listeners. Lott's statements have only made him look worse, not better. Only a minority member can counter another minority member. A white man does not stand a chance. Lott's fate is almost certainly sealed. His prospects are dim.
Emcee Lam wrote: John Simmons, Karl will you two please stop attacking each other? Exercise some civility, please. Such discussions can be done without bashing each other. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not in war with our famous JS. It's more an honor to "cross the words" with such an eloquent CPian :rose: Bashing may be a pleasure also, but as I play the game, I have to accept to be bashed too :)
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? From this statement alone, I think we should never let the French run anything. It may be a crime, but not against humanity. KaЯl wrote: You mean if they start lynching people again ? Exactly.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? So what would you consider Apartheid then? :confused:
"If by 'rough it' you mean a room without a minibar and free hookers, then, uh, we have a problem." -Duckman
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Jason Henderson wrote: So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? So what would you consider Apartheid then? :confused:
"If by 'rough it' you mean a room without a minibar and free hookers, then, uh, we have a problem." -Duckman
Like I said, "It may be a crime, but not against humanity." Simply segregating the population is not a crime against humanity. Let's be careful here. We all do it whether we like to admit it or not. We always have and always will segregate ourselves into small groups that get along.
Jason Henderson
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Like I said, "It may be a crime, but not against humanity." Simply segregating the population is not a crime against humanity. Let's be careful here. We all do it whether we like to admit it or not. We always have and always will segregate ourselves into small groups that get along.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: Simply segregating the population is not a crime against humanity. I'm especially amused by the 'simply' part. "You just tell a few people to sit at the back of the bus, and a few people that they aren't going to get paid to pick cotton and suddenly some liberal is telling you it's wrong." Jason Henderson wrote: We all do it whether we like to admit it or not. Uh, I don't and I don't know anyone who does. Jason Henderson wrote: We always have and always will segregate ourselves into small groups That is completely, entirely, and utterly different from the government restricting people's freedom based solely upon the colour of their skin -- you're comparing fashions and social groups to racism. So Hitler didn't really like Jews all that much, but it's no big deal, right? :rolleyes:
"If by 'rough it' you mean a room without a minibar and free hookers, then, uh, we have a problem." -Duckman
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Jason Henderson wrote: Simply segregating the population is not a crime against humanity. I'm especially amused by the 'simply' part. "You just tell a few people to sit at the back of the bus, and a few people that they aren't going to get paid to pick cotton and suddenly some liberal is telling you it's wrong." Jason Henderson wrote: We all do it whether we like to admit it or not. Uh, I don't and I don't know anyone who does. Jason Henderson wrote: We always have and always will segregate ourselves into small groups That is completely, entirely, and utterly different from the government restricting people's freedom based solely upon the colour of their skin -- you're comparing fashions and social groups to racism. So Hitler didn't really like Jews all that much, but it's no big deal, right? :rolleyes:
"If by 'rough it' you mean a room without a minibar and free hookers, then, uh, we have a problem." -Duckman
Daniel Ferguson wrote: I'm especially amused by the 'simply' part. "You just tell a few people to sit at the back of the bus, and a few people that they aren't going to get paid to pick cotton and suddenly some liberal is telling you it's wrong." Wow! All of a sudden I know how Lott feels! Are you calling me a racist Daniel? Daniel Ferguson wrote: We all do it whether we like to admit it or not. Uh, I don't and I don't know anyone who does. Bulls**t Daniel Ferguson wrote: That is completely, entirely, and utterly different from the government restricting people's freedom based solely upon the colour of their skin -- you're comparing fashions and social groups to racism. So Hitler didn't really like Jews all that much, but it's no big deal, right? It all falls under the same category I'm afraid. I'm not saying that segregation is a good thing. I'm just saying its not the same as the holocost or full blown racism. The U.S. Senate has even segregated itself! They have a "Black Caucus".
Jason Henderson
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this article[^] is about Trent Lott. I'm not a specialist of US internal politics, but from the articles I've read I believe this guy is one of these f*cking "hidden" racists, who is now ready to say anything to save his job. (This rant is NOT about the GOP, I don't know if Lott is representative of the Republican mentality)
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
Off topic, did anyone else read that as "Another bastard trying to shave his arse"? :-O
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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Stan Shannon wrote: True racism matters. But if being opposed to lame brained scams such as affirmative action is all it takes to be a racist than I suppose I should start cutting eye holes in my pillow cases. I have some already done. I also have swastikas embroidered on them. If you'd like one or two, i think I can see my way to sending them to you. :) ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
OMG - now I have an image of John Simmons doing embroidery. Get it out! GET IT OUT!! :omg::wtf::eek:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Desktop Bob told me to start fires" - thematt
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KaЯl wrote: Yep. Just using the expression "different race" is an offense. There's the human race, point. Alrighty then.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: Alrighty then. Did you make the Ace Ventura - Pet Detective face when you typed that? :laugh: Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Off topic, did anyone else read that as "Another bastard trying to shave his arse"? :-O
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Desktop Bob told me to start fires" - thematt
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OMG - now I have an image of John Simmons doing embroidery. Get it out! GET IT OUT!! :omg::wtf::eek:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"Desktop Bob told me to start fires" - thematt
I didn't do the actual embroidery. I pay under-age French children $1 per month to do the embroidery. After their 18-hour shifts end, I chain them to poles in their cells, and I feed them as little as possible. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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John Simmons, Karl will you two please stop attacking each other? Exercise some civility, please. Such discussions can be done without bashing each other. Now as for the fate of Trent Lott. I think he should resign. Not because he's racist, but because people say he's racist. More important than reality is perception. And this perception will only hurt the Republican party if Lott stays in his position. For a black man to call a white man a racist is almost certain political death. Whether the accusation is true or not, does not matter. It is perception that is important. Americans have long ago ceased to thoroughly study details and have gravitated toward hype and catchy statements. In actuality, is Trent Lott a racist? Probably not. Lott explicitly praises Strom Thurmond's presidential bid. It could be racist. It could also be an example of generosity to Thurmond's 100th birthday. Lott's one statement has too much ambiguity to determine Lott as being a racist. Even if we bring in Lott's statements from other years, there's very little to indicate that Lott is a racist. That stuff about Lott opposing affirmative action does not indicate racism. I'm Chinese American and I oppose affirmative action. I'm not racist. The reason why people say Lott is racist is because the black victimization mindset forces the interpretation of things that should remain ambiguous. A white man can never contradict a black man. The black man uses victim sympathy to sway listeners. Lott's statements have only made him look worse, not better. Only a minority member can counter another minority member. A white man does not stand a chance. Lott's fate is almost certainly sealed. His prospects are dim.
You must be new here, so I'll keep this short... STFU. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? From this statement alone, I think we should never let the French run anything. It may be a crime, but not against humanity. KaЯl wrote: You mean if they start lynching people again ? Exactly.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? Damn right it is. Anyone who espouses those ideas loses my respect instantly. People are people. Jason Henderson wrote: From this statement alone, I think we should never let the French run anything. Your predjudices are showing Jason. I thought you were a better person than that. :mad: Jason Henderson wrote: It may be a crime, but not against humanity. A crime against people is a crime against humanity. We're all God's children. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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Jason Henderson wrote: So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? Damn right it is. Anyone who espouses those ideas loses my respect instantly. People are people. Jason Henderson wrote: From this statement alone, I think we should never let the French run anything. Your predjudices are showing Jason. I thought you were a better person than that. :mad: Jason Henderson wrote: It may be a crime, but not against humanity. A crime against people is a crime against humanity. We're all God's children. Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Damn right it is. Anyone who espouses those ideas loses my respect instantly. People are people. They lose my respect as well, but it is not a crime against humanity. It is a crime against those people they are excluding. Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Your predjudices are showing Jason. I thought you were a better person than that. HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT! YOU DON'T KNOW ME! :mad: My statement shows no predjudice. I said it was a crime, just not against humanity. I don't thinks black people are inferior to me, but if someone else does should we throw them in jail? They have just as much right to think that way as I have to think otherwise. Karl thinks its a crime against humanity to even express that segregation is ok. Are we going to have the thought police come knocking on everyone's door now? We all have our likes and dislikes. We all self-segregate when we hang out with certain people and exclude others. Segregation is not right, but I don't believe it is a crime against humanity. Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: A crime against people is a crime against humanity. We're all God's children. So if little Johnny steals a candy bar from a classmate we should try him in the Hauge (sp?) for crimes against all people? Your idea is ludicrous from an Earthly standpoint. If we look at it spiritually I can see your point. When we commit a crime we are sinning and rejecting God. We also hurt the person or people we commit the crime against and many others may be affected as well. But our system does not punish evil doers on the same scale as God does.
Jason Henderson
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