Another b*stard trying to save his *ss

realJSOP

No wonder you feel the need to express an adverse opinion about politics in this country. You're from France. That fact alone explains a lot, and we all know that being from France makes you an expert on everything in the United States. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

KaRl

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: being from France makes you an expert on everything in the United States It makes me a free man able to have an opinion on a lot of things.Because the audience here is half american, I adapt my topics. Would you be interested by european issues ? (Don't consider me as representative of my country, as I don't consider you as the typical american guy, frankly I don't think I am :))

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Stan Shannon

If he won't, I will. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle

Chris Losinger

can you back it up?

Please stand by

ThumbNailer

Shog9 0

I have no love for Lott, Republicans, Democrats, Thurmond, or anyone else involved in this. But 'fucking "hidden" racists'? That's a bit disturbing, Karl. Ever hear of a guy named Joseph McCarthy?

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KaRl

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: When you actually have some knowledge about what you're talking about Instead of insulting only, you could perhaps help me by giving some references, instead. Oh, I'm just forgetting you were not capable for any positive action, i'm such a fool sometimes :) John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: when you've grown enough gray matter to actually form an opinion Don't you know the volume of the brain is not significative of the intelligence, or are you still believing this BS from the 18th century ? John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: You aren't realted to the local Frog Prince are you? I don't get it. But I'm sure it will make laugh all your little comrades :)

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KaRl

Shog9 wrote: But 'f***ing "hidden" racists'? isn't Segregationism by definition racism? Shog9 wrote: Ever hear of a guy named Joseph McCarthy? The one of the witch hunts ? His anticommunism leaded him not so far from fascism. He was eventually condamned by the US Senate, wasn't he ? Do you want to say that Lott was promoting this side of Thurmond? He couldn't ignore the other side of the character, or he's really a moron. It's like Haider in Austria promoting Hitler for his "orderly employment" policies.

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Shog9 0

KaЯl wrote: isn't Segregationism by definition racism? If you're segratating based on race, yes. Which is what you meant, so, yes. What's hidden here though? AFAIK, Lott said "we'd be better off as a country if Thurmond had been elected in '48", not "Damn blacks and minorities! We'd be better off as a country if Thurmond had successfully put them in their place back in '48". KaЯl wrote: The one of the witch hunts ? His anticommunism leaded him not so far from fascism. He was eventually condamned by the US Senate, wasn't he ? Heh, he was a nasty little man who used intimidation and false allegations to ruin his opponents. Communism was one of the issues (and the most successful) that he pounced on to use towards this end. My point was, either we have had plenty of proof of Lott's racism prior to this comment (in which case we've been negligent in making him majority leader), or we have none appart from this comment (in which case it is a pathetic attempt to drive him out for other reasons, using this as a lame excuse, playing on people's fears of, and aversion to, racism).

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Emcee Lam

John Simmons, Karl will you two please stop attacking each other? Exercise some civility, please. Such discussions can be done without bashing each other. Now as for the fate of Trent Lott. I think he should resign. Not because he's racist, but because people say he's racist. More important than reality is perception. And this perception will only hurt the Republican party if Lott stays in his position. For a black man to call a white man a racist is almost certain political death. Whether the accusation is true or not, does not matter. It is perception that is important. Americans have long ago ceased to thoroughly study details and have gravitated toward hype and catchy statements. In actuality, is Trent Lott a racist? Probably not. Lott explicitly praises Strom Thurmond's presidential bid. It could be racist. It could also be an example of generosity to Thurmond's 100th birthday. Lott's one statement has too much ambiguity to determine Lott as being a racist. Even if we bring in Lott's statements from other years, there's very little to indicate that Lott is a racist. That stuff about Lott opposing affirmative action does not indicate racism. I'm Chinese American and I oppose affirmative action. I'm not racist. The reason why people say Lott is racist is because the black victimization mindset forces the interpretation of things that should remain ambiguous. A white man can never contradict a black man. The black man uses victim sympathy to sway listeners. Lott's statements have only made him look worse, not better. Only a minority member can counter another minority member. A white man does not stand a chance. Lott's fate is almost certainly sealed. His prospects are dim.

KaRl

Emcee Lam wrote: John Simmons, Karl will you two please stop attacking each other? Exercise some civility, please. Such discussions can be done without bashing each other. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not in war with our famous JS. It's more an honor to "cross the words" with such an eloquent CPian :rose: Bashing may be a pleasure also, but as I play the game, I have to accept to be bashed too :)

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Daniel Ferguson

Jason Henderson wrote: So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? So what would you consider Apartheid then? :confused:

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Jason Henderson

Like I said, "It may be a crime, but not against humanity." Simply segregating the population is not a crime against humanity. Let's be careful here. We all do it whether we like to admit it or not. We always have and always will segregate ourselves into small groups that get along.

Jason Henderson
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Daniel Ferguson

Jason Henderson wrote: Simply segregating the population is not a crime against humanity. I'm especially amused by the 'simply' part. "You just tell a few people to sit at the back of the bus, and a few people that they aren't going to get paid to pick cotton and suddenly some liberal is telling you it's wrong." Jason Henderson wrote: We all do it whether we like to admit it or not. Uh, I don't and I don't know anyone who does. Jason Henderson wrote: We always have and always will segregate ourselves into small groups That is completely, entirely, and utterly different from the government restricting people's freedom based solely upon the colour of their skin -- you're comparing fashions and social groups to racism. So Hitler didn't really like Jews all that much, but it's no big deal, right? :rolleyes:

"If by 'rough it' you mean a room without a minibar and free hookers, then, uh, we have a problem." -Duckman

Jason Henderson

Daniel Ferguson wrote: I'm especially amused by the 'simply' part. "You just tell a few people to sit at the back of the bus, and a few people that they aren't going to get paid to pick cotton and suddenly some liberal is telling you it's wrong." Wow! All of a sudden I know how Lott feels! Are you calling me a racist Daniel? Daniel Ferguson wrote: We all do it whether we like to admit it or not. Uh, I don't and I don't know anyone who does. Bulls**t Daniel Ferguson wrote: That is completely, entirely, and utterly different from the government restricting people's freedom based solely upon the colour of their skin -- you're comparing fashions and social groups to racism. So Hitler didn't really like Jews all that much, but it's no big deal, right? It all falls under the same category I'm afraid. I'm not saying that segregation is a good thing. I'm just saying its not the same as the holocost or full blown racism. The U.S. Senate has even segregated itself! They have a "Black Caucus".

Jason Henderson
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David Wulff

Off topic, did anyone else read that as "Another bastard trying to shave his arse"? :-O

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David Wulff

OMG - now I have an image of John Simmons doing embroidery. Get it out! GET IT OUT!! :omg::wtf::eek:

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Lost User

Jason Henderson wrote: Alrighty then. Did you make the Ace Ventura - Pet Detective face when you typed that? :laugh: Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002

KaRl

:-D No, but I saw the movie :laugh:

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realJSOP

I didn't do the actual embroidery. I pay under-age French children $1 per month to do the embroidery. After their 18-hour shifts end, I chain them to poles in their cells, and I feed them as little as possible. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

realJSOP

You must be new here, so I'll keep this short... STFU. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends