Another b*stard trying to save his *ss
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KaЯl wrote: And he's still in place ? Absolutely! We've even had communists, drunk drivers, queers, jews, women, con men, the whole gamut in our government. At various times all of these groups and others have been viewed as pariahs - we do not block the disparate views of individuals, but cherish them for the unique contributions they all make. The liberal media has tried to quash the right if individual expression of opinion, and on many fronts it has largely succeeded, but this nation is still a place of diversity, and tolerance is supposed to be a fundamental part of who we are. To depose a politician for being a past member of the KKK, or for once opposing a cultural change that he has since accepted as the will of the majority would be the ultimate un-American act! Diversity of opinion has led to duels and fist fights in the hallowed halls of Congress, and in my opinion, we were the stronger for it. This too civilized, politically correct land is doomed if a change in direction isn't forthcoming soon. I'd even vote for a VBer, just for the change! "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)
<Applause>Well said!</Applause>
Jason Henderson
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Jason Henderson wrote: By using the same level of thinking the democrats are using against Lott, we can say that Byrd is a racist. funny, i haven't heard the "democrats" say anything about Lott. all of the criticism i've heard has come from republicans or the press. maybe the democrats are talking about it, but they're not making headlines with it. -c
You need to get out from under that rock from time to time Chris. ;) The Democrats from Ted Kennedy to Kwaese Mfume (that has to be misspelled) have lambasted Lott for their own political benefit. Even Jesse Jackson stepped into it.
Jason Henderson
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You need to get out from under that rock from time to time Chris. ;) The Democrats from Ted Kennedy to Kwaese Mfume (that has to be misspelled) have lambasted Lott for their own political benefit. Even Jesse Jackson stepped into it.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *i watched CNN and MSNBC for like 3 hours last night (long story). all i saw were republicans and pundits talking about it.
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KaЯl wrote: And he's still in place ? Absolutely! We've even had communists, drunk drivers, queers, jews, women, con men, the whole gamut in our government. At various times all of these groups and others have been viewed as pariahs - we do not block the disparate views of individuals, but cherish them for the unique contributions they all make. The liberal media has tried to quash the right if individual expression of opinion, and on many fronts it has largely succeeded, but this nation is still a place of diversity, and tolerance is supposed to be a fundamental part of who we are. To depose a politician for being a past member of the KKK, or for once opposing a cultural change that he has since accepted as the will of the majority would be the ultimate un-American act! Diversity of opinion has led to duels and fist fights in the hallowed halls of Congress, and in my opinion, we were the stronger for it. This too civilized, politically correct land is doomed if a change in direction isn't forthcoming soon. I'd even vote for a VBer, just for the change! "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)
now hold on a second. you're claiming that the republicans are suddenly the champions of diversity, tolerance and expression? the homophobic, xenophobic, church-and-state-mingling, morality-dictating republicans are now the people ensuring a diverse and tolerant USA? WTF? -c
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now hold on a second. you're claiming that the republicans are suddenly the champions of diversity, tolerance and expression? the homophobic, xenophobic, church-and-state-mingling, morality-dictating republicans are now the people ensuring a diverse and tolerant USA? WTF? -c
Chris Losinger wrote: you're claiming that the republicans are suddenly the champions of diversity, tolerance and expression? I don't believe that I mentioned Republicans. "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)
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Chris Losinger wrote: you're claiming that the republicans are suddenly the champions of diversity, tolerance and expression? I don't believe that I mentioned Republicans. "How many times do I have to flush before you go away?" - Megan Forbes, on Management (12/5/2002)
Roger Wright wrote: I don't believe that I mentioned Republicans. no, but you did mention the "liberal media", which is enough to imply that the alternative is better.
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So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? From this statement alone, I think we should never let the French run anything. It may be a crime, but not against humanity. KaЯl wrote: You mean if they start lynching people again ? Exactly.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? Yep. Just using the expression "different race" is an offense. There's the human race, point. Jason Henderson wrote: From this statement alone, I think we should never let the French run anything. Not the French, but me. Believe me, it's not the same :)
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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Jason Henderson wrote: So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? Yep. Just using the expression "different race" is an offense. There's the human race, point. Jason Henderson wrote: From this statement alone, I think we should never let the French run anything. Not the French, but me. Believe me, it's not the same :)
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
KaЯl wrote: Yep. Just using the expression "different race" is an offense. There's the human race, point. Alrighty then.
Jason Henderson
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Jason Henderson wrote: How do you know he's a fascist?! I assimilate segregationism to facism. Jason Henderson wrote: The man ran for president in 1948! People can change. And you are for Death Penalty :laugh: (you deny this capacity of remission to a convicted but not to a politician :)) Jason Henderson wrote: I doubt it. Why not? It uses terror to achieve political targets, doesn't it ? Jason Henderson wrote: the dreaded "N" word I thought it was "Nazi" :-O
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
KaЯl wrote: the dreaded "N" word I thought it was "Nazi" See, you're about as well-informed as a bag of hammers. When you actually have some knowledge about what you're talking about, and when you've grown enough gray matter to actually form an opinion based on fact and studied reflection, then, and only then, may you speak. You aren't realted to the local Frog Prince are you? ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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this article[^] is about Trent Lott. I'm not a specialist of US internal politics, but from the articles I've read I believe this guy is one of these f*cking "hidden" racists, who is now ready to say anything to save his job. (This rant is NOT about the GOP, I don't know if Lott is representative of the Republican mentality)
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
No wonder you feel the need to express an adverse opinion about politics in this country. You're from France. That fact alone explains a lot, and we all know that being from France makes you an expert on everything in the United States. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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No wonder you feel the need to express an adverse opinion about politics in this country. You're from France. That fact alone explains a lot, and we all know that being from France makes you an expert on everything in the United States. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: being from France makes you an expert on everything in the United States It makes me a free man able to have an opinion on a lot of things.Because the audience here is half american, I adapt my topics. Would you be interested by european issues ? (Don't consider me as representative of my country, as I don't consider you as the typical american guy, frankly I don't think I am :))
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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now hold on a second. you're claiming that the republicans are suddenly the champions of diversity, tolerance and expression? the homophobic, xenophobic, church-and-state-mingling, morality-dictating republicans are now the people ensuring a diverse and tolerant USA? WTF? -c
If he won't, I will. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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If he won't, I will. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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this article[^] is about Trent Lott. I'm not a specialist of US internal politics, but from the articles I've read I believe this guy is one of these f*cking "hidden" racists, who is now ready to say anything to save his job. (This rant is NOT about the GOP, I don't know if Lott is representative of the Republican mentality)
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
I have no love for Lott, Republicans, Democrats, Thurmond, or anyone else involved in this. But 'fucking "hidden" racists'? That's a bit disturbing, Karl. Ever hear of a guy named Joseph McCarthy?
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KaЯl wrote: the dreaded "N" word I thought it was "Nazi" See, you're about as well-informed as a bag of hammers. When you actually have some knowledge about what you're talking about, and when you've grown enough gray matter to actually form an opinion based on fact and studied reflection, then, and only then, may you speak. You aren't realted to the local Frog Prince are you? ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: When you actually have some knowledge about what you're talking about Instead of insulting only, you could perhaps help me by giving some references, instead. Oh, I'm just forgetting you were not capable for any positive action, i'm such a fool sometimes :) John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: when you've grown enough gray matter to actually form an opinion Don't you know the volume of the brain is not significative of the intelligence, or are you still believing this BS from the 18th century ? John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: You aren't realted to the local Frog Prince are you? I don't get it. But I'm sure it will make laugh all your little comrades :)
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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I have no love for Lott, Republicans, Democrats, Thurmond, or anyone else involved in this. But 'fucking "hidden" racists'? That's a bit disturbing, Karl. Ever hear of a guy named Joseph McCarthy?
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Shog9 Atheists are boring. They only talk about god. - peterchen, “Atheists are idiots”
Shog9 wrote: But 'f***ing "hidden" racists'? isn't Segregationism by definition racism? Shog9 wrote: Ever hear of a guy named Joseph McCarthy? The one of the witch hunts ? His anticommunism leaded him not so far from fascism. He was eventually condamned by the US Senate, wasn't he ? Do you want to say that Lott was promoting this side of Thurmond? He couldn't ignore the other side of the character, or he's really a moron. It's like Haider in Austria promoting Hitler for his "orderly employment" policies.
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
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Shog9 wrote: But 'f***ing "hidden" racists'? isn't Segregationism by definition racism? Shog9 wrote: Ever hear of a guy named Joseph McCarthy? The one of the witch hunts ? His anticommunism leaded him not so far from fascism. He was eventually condamned by the US Senate, wasn't he ? Do you want to say that Lott was promoting this side of Thurmond? He couldn't ignore the other side of the character, or he's really a moron. It's like Haider in Austria promoting Hitler for his "orderly employment" policies.
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
KaЯl wrote: isn't Segregationism by definition racism? If you're segratating based on race, yes. Which is what you meant, so, yes. What's hidden here though? AFAIK, Lott said "we'd be better off as a country if Thurmond had been elected in '48", not "Damn blacks and minorities! We'd be better off as a country if Thurmond had successfully put them in their place back in '48". KaЯl wrote: The one of the witch hunts ? His anticommunism leaded him not so far from fascism. He was eventually condamned by the US Senate, wasn't he ? Heh, he was a nasty little man who used intimidation and false allegations to ruin his opponents. Communism was one of the issues (and the most successful) that he pounced on to use towards this end. My point was, either we have had plenty of proof of Lott's racism prior to this comment (in which case we've been negligent in making him majority leader), or we have none appart from this comment (in which case it is a pathetic attempt to drive him out for other reasons, using this as a lame excuse, playing on people's fears of, and aversion to, racism).
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: being from France makes you an expert on everything in the United States It makes me a free man able to have an opinion on a lot of things.Because the audience here is half american, I adapt my topics. Would you be interested by european issues ? (Don't consider me as representative of my country, as I don't consider you as the typical american guy, frankly I don't think I am :))
I hurt so bad inside I wish you could see the world through my eyes It stays the same I just wanna laugh again
John Simmons, Karl will you two please stop attacking each other? Exercise some civility, please. Such discussions can be done without bashing each other. Now as for the fate of Trent Lott. I think he should resign. Not because he's racist, but because people say he's racist. More important than reality is perception. And this perception will only hurt the Republican party if Lott stays in his position. For a black man to call a white man a racist is almost certain political death. Whether the accusation is true or not, does not matter. It is perception that is important. Americans have long ago ceased to thoroughly study details and have gravitated toward hype and catchy statements. In actuality, is Trent Lott a racist? Probably not. Lott explicitly praises Strom Thurmond's presidential bid. It could be racist. It could also be an example of generosity to Thurmond's 100th birthday. Lott's one statement has too much ambiguity to determine Lott as being a racist. Even if we bring in Lott's statements from other years, there's very little to indicate that Lott is a racist. That stuff about Lott opposing affirmative action does not indicate racism. I'm Chinese American and I oppose affirmative action. I'm not racist. The reason why people say Lott is racist is because the black victimization mindset forces the interpretation of things that should remain ambiguous. A white man can never contradict a black man. The black man uses victim sympathy to sway listeners. Lott's statements have only made him look worse, not better. Only a minority member can counter another minority member. A white man does not stand a chance. Lott's fate is almost certainly sealed. His prospects are dim.
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John Simmons, Karl will you two please stop attacking each other? Exercise some civility, please. Such discussions can be done without bashing each other. Now as for the fate of Trent Lott. I think he should resign. Not because he's racist, but because people say he's racist. More important than reality is perception. And this perception will only hurt the Republican party if Lott stays in his position. For a black man to call a white man a racist is almost certain political death. Whether the accusation is true or not, does not matter. It is perception that is important. Americans have long ago ceased to thoroughly study details and have gravitated toward hype and catchy statements. In actuality, is Trent Lott a racist? Probably not. Lott explicitly praises Strom Thurmond's presidential bid. It could be racist. It could also be an example of generosity to Thurmond's 100th birthday. Lott's one statement has too much ambiguity to determine Lott as being a racist. Even if we bring in Lott's statements from other years, there's very little to indicate that Lott is a racist. That stuff about Lott opposing affirmative action does not indicate racism. I'm Chinese American and I oppose affirmative action. I'm not racist. The reason why people say Lott is racist is because the black victimization mindset forces the interpretation of things that should remain ambiguous. A white man can never contradict a black man. The black man uses victim sympathy to sway listeners. Lott's statements have only made him look worse, not better. Only a minority member can counter another minority member. A white man does not stand a chance. Lott's fate is almost certainly sealed. His prospects are dim.
Emcee Lam wrote: John Simmons, Karl will you two please stop attacking each other? Exercise some civility, please. Such discussions can be done without bashing each other. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not in war with our famous JS. It's more an honor to "cross the words" with such an eloquent CPian :rose: Bashing may be a pleasure also, but as I play the game, I have to accept to be bashed too :)
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So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? From this statement alone, I think we should never let the French run anything. It may be a crime, but not against humanity. KaЯl wrote: You mean if they start lynching people again ? Exactly.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: So not allowing a person of a different race to drink from the same water fountain as you is a "crime against humanity"? So what would you consider Apartheid then? :confused:
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