Compensation Vs Time [modified]
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Ok, I will make a start on my next trip from 7th July onwards :-D
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wizardzz wrote:
furlong days
A day (measures time) isn't the same type of measurement as a furlong (measures distance).
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997You just use the furlong per fortnight conversion factor. :laugh:
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Would you take half your salary to work half the hours you currently do? I actually get jealous when I see government workers forced to take furlough days (unpaid time off). I'm going to clarify, my rationale is that it is nearly impossible to make the move to consulting or teaching while still being employed full-time, but I would never want to leave my position completely because of both the pay and experience it provides.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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wizardzz wrote:
Would you take half your salary to work half the hours you currently do?
Not half, but I did work under contracts with a four-day workweek. Was quite handy since a lot of firms are only opened during office-hours.
wizardzz wrote:
I actually get jealous when I see government workers forced to take furlough days (unpaid time off).
There's always a trade-off between work and income. I wouldn't get jealous too much on people who are being forced, one way or the other.
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Would you take half your salary to work half the hours you currently do? I actually get jealous when I see government workers forced to take furlough days (unpaid time off). I'm going to clarify, my rationale is that it is nearly impossible to make the move to consulting or teaching while still being employed full-time, but I would never want to leave my position completely because of both the pay and experience it provides.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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Not while I have alimony and child support to pay; it would leave me with nothing.
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Me too - my debt load is quite small. Minimalism has its perks: I make every weekend at least 2 1/2 days. Jim Morrison (Doors) sang: ". . . you sell all of your hours for a handful of dimes . . ." Balboos asks: 'How much would you sell an hour of your life for? The next one, not the last one. And how many are you prepared to sell.' I deduced that my main problem was not being born rich.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I deduced that my main problem was not being born rich.
Failure to pick the proper parents is a common complaint in life. :laugh: People who whine about it and give up instead of making the best of what they did get are as pathetic as those who exaggerate a trivial disability to get on the dole and watch the drivel known as daytime tv every day. X|
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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peterchen wrote:
Have you ever tried asking people how much was enough?
No. Enough, for me, is being able to pay my bills and raise my family comfortably and without being in debt. I'm sure it will be different for everyone - it would reflect their needs but there are very few people who can really survive without any money and we call the ones that do 'homeless'.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Most people you ask are stumped by that question - especially if they are sure that they deserve more. I agree that there's a level of income beyond which it's a hard struggle, and keeping you down. Then there's a level above which it's jsut a matter of needing a bit less than you get. And the two levers are very close together.
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Most people you ask are stumped by that question - especially if they are sure that they deserve more. I agree that there's a level of income beyond which it's a hard struggle, and keeping you down. Then there's a level above which it's jsut a matter of needing a bit less than you get. And the two levers are very close together.
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | WhoIncludes - Analyzing C++ include file hierarchyIn reality it's not just about how much you need to live on today: things happen in life for which money is required. The boiler needs replacing, your daughter gets married, you retire and try living on the state pension. Nothing is quite as simple as it first appears.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Full Salary / 0.5 ? :) Sounds good.
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Aargh - First post to apologise for voting when I actually wanted to go to page two. Can anyone advise how to unvote or edit vote? Ahh - that's better. A page refresh has sorted my woes.
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Would you take half your salary to work half the hours you currently do? I actually get jealous when I see government workers forced to take furlough days (unpaid time off). I'm going to clarify, my rationale is that it is nearly impossible to make the move to consulting or teaching while still being employed full-time, but I would never want to leave my position completely because of both the pay and experience it provides.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
modified on Monday, June 27, 2011 10:47 AM
When I made the switch back from full-time employment to being a contractor, I arranged with my current employer to work six months at half-time (for half-pay, naturally). During this time my replacement was to be found and I would have a hand in assessing him/her for the job. My only advice is - don't do this! In the end, the stress of having other work to do, the slowness of the process of finding a replacement, and the increased desire (once you could see the end coming) to get out of the current position, all made it a very stressful experience. Much better, IMHO, to make as clean a break as possible. Of course, if you see a big downside risk to getting out, then that changes things - I only agreed to do the split time to help my previous employer out (we got on well), but in the end I don't think it really helped them (no incentive to find my replacement etc until near the end) or me - itching to get away, but unable to. Mike
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When I made the switch back from full-time employment to being a contractor, I arranged with my current employer to work six months at half-time (for half-pay, naturally). During this time my replacement was to be found and I would have a hand in assessing him/her for the job. My only advice is - don't do this! In the end, the stress of having other work to do, the slowness of the process of finding a replacement, and the increased desire (once you could see the end coming) to get out of the current position, all made it a very stressful experience. Much better, IMHO, to make as clean a break as possible. Of course, if you see a big downside risk to getting out, then that changes things - I only agreed to do the split time to help my previous employer out (we got on well), but in the end I don't think it really helped them (no incentive to find my replacement etc until near the end) or me - itching to get away, but unable to. Mike
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I've been with Ms. Wizardz for almost 10 years, we don't want kids.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
wizardzz wrote:
we don't want kids
I know you're entitled to your choice but I'd say you're missing a big and beautiful part of life.
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I work for a contractor and I couldn't do it instantly, if I talked to my manager and HR and said I only wanted to work part time they'd make it happen. Several of my cow-orkers are doing so. Probably the main delay would be needing to shuffle people around so that projects I'm working on don't suddenly find themselves understaffed.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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I've been with Ms. Wizardz for almost 10 years, we don't want kids.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
wizardzz wrote:
I've been with Ms. Wizardz for almost 10 years, we don't want kids.
You'll learn. ** years later and I'm the one mowing the freeking lawn, taking out the freeking garbage, washing the freeking car, getting the freeking mail, shoveling the freeking snow. With kids, I could beat their freeking butts if they didn't do their tasks while I went boating. It's too late now to fix. :( (Unfortunately, the decision was not ours to make. Missing body parts and all...)
Gary
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Would you take half your salary to work half the hours you currently do? I actually get jealous when I see government workers forced to take furlough days (unpaid time off). I'm going to clarify, my rationale is that it is nearly impossible to make the move to consulting or teaching while still being employed full-time, but I would never want to leave my position completely because of both the pay and experience it provides.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
modified on Monday, June 27, 2011 10:47 AM
A couple of years ago our little company had a very slow spring and summer with prospects looking even bleaker for the fall. About 1/3 of us took a 20% pay cut to work 4 days a week until work picked up. It kept some folks on the books for a few extra months - gave them a chance to update their resumes and do some job hunting while still having a paycheck. Had to let 3 folks go - nearly 10% of the company at the time. Thinks are looking brighter, we're all back to full time, we've hired 4 new folks (none of the three let go came back)... but I do miss the long weekends - never missed the money.
-Bob
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Would you take half your salary to work half the hours you currently do? I actually get jealous when I see government workers forced to take furlough days (unpaid time off). I'm going to clarify, my rationale is that it is nearly impossible to make the move to consulting or teaching while still being employed full-time, but I would never want to leave my position completely because of both the pay and experience it provides.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
modified on Monday, June 27, 2011 10:47 AM
I quit my job so I could start my own company. In order not to be completely destitute while building the company, I obtained contract work. However, as soon as the previous employer realized that they couldn't do without me, they begged me to stay on as a contractor. I could set my own hours, work from home, and work on my new company while still supporting my family (7 kids). It worked out quite well, continuing to contract for them for the next 6 years.
SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I deduced that my main problem was not being born rich.
Failure to pick the proper parents is a common complaint in life. :laugh: People who whine about it and give up instead of making the best of what they did get are as pathetic as those who exaggerate a trivial disability to get on the dole and watch the drivel known as daytime tv every day. X|
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
My parents are amazing, when I was young they were tight in cash. Now they are doing very well, which my younger brothers did take advantage of. No complaints there, I think I actually am a harder worker because of this situation.
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I guess I would kind of look at it as an advance on retirement income. I live well within my means, I put funds away for retirement, medical or employment emergencies. I would like to keep adding to them. Although I’d take unpaid time off over unemployment.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
I work 80% to 90% time by choice, making 80% to 90%. Worth every penny not earned, because I get to do other stuff I love. I learned to live more within our means, couldn't do that before when I was single.
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Would you take half your salary to work half the hours you currently do? I actually get jealous when I see government workers forced to take furlough days (unpaid time off). I'm going to clarify, my rationale is that it is nearly impossible to make the move to consulting or teaching while still being employed full-time, but I would never want to leave my position completely because of both the pay and experience it provides.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
modified on Monday, June 27, 2011 10:47 AM
Not today. But in the past, before kids, before wife stopped working, I would have gladly worked less hours per week. Too bad it's never gonna happen. Management expense grows with the number of workers, not the amount of work, because each worker must be coordinated. Using the minimum number of workers makes the most sense, so you want them working as many productive hours per workweek as possible. We have known for years that something like 40-45 hours per week is the maximum productive hours. I believe Henry Ford studied it, and laid the foundation for our modern workweek.
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Not today. But in the past, before kids, before wife stopped working, I would have gladly worked less hours per week. Too bad it's never gonna happen. Management expense grows with the number of workers, not the amount of work, because each worker must be coordinated. Using the minimum number of workers makes the most sense, so you want them working as many productive hours per workweek as possible. We have known for years that something like 40-45 hours per week is the maximum productive hours. I believe Henry Ford studied it, and laid the foundation for our modern workweek.
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I quit my job so I could start my own company. In order not to be completely destitute while building the company, I obtained contract work. However, as soon as the previous employer realized that they couldn't do without me, they begged me to stay on as a contractor. I could set my own hours, work from home, and work on my new company while still supporting my family (7 kids). It worked out quite well, continuing to contract for them for the next 6 years.
SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown