Poor old Australians
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That's hilarious. I thought you lived in the UK ? Do you not ? I don't see anything wrong with informing people that an art exhibit contains nudity, precisely because, while I remain free to raise my kids to see nothing wrong with that, other people have the right to be uptight like, say, most Americans, and shield their kids from the human body. I admit to not knowing enough British people to know if the prudishness of the ones I've known represents a norm, or a statistical aberration. I do know that the UK invented the 'nanny state'. It's perhaps worth mentioning that the state museum in Melbourne, has an exhibit on the body and sexuality that includes naked photos of both genders, including pre pubescent, and at ages where I was surprised, b/c I thought they'd attract sickos. There is, of course, a sign informing people so they can make an informed decision about going in there, but I've taken both my kids through it, and it certainly was not something I'd expect to see in a 'nanny state' in the way you seem to infer.
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I kind of agree with you, depending on what the law is going to be. If its just a clasification saying a painting contains nudity then thats OK since some might be offended. Ifc its a law thats going to class nude paintings as porn then its a bit sick because there is a big difference between an image of a nude whose intent is to sexually arouse and one whose intent is to show the natural aspect of the human body. As for prudishness in the UK, we arent at all IMO. :)
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They will tell you what to do, where to go, how to think.
They will even tell you how to raise your children.'They' are just a senate sub committee who've written a report. As the article said, there was an incident last year where an art exhibition displayed photos of a 13 year old girl, the media got into it and public debate ensued & the government commissioned a report in response. More public discussion will no doubt follow, some legislation may be proposed and debated. Sounds reasonably healthy to me.
What of the great art of the renaissance. There are pictures of Mary with her tits out firing milk into the mouth of St Bernard. (It is called Leibfraumilch) Or this one, Here[^] for example. Not only do you have a 13 year old girl with her tits out, there are lots of very young naked children. Does this really require a government agency to tell you whether it is suitable or not?
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What of the great art of the renaissance. There are pictures of Mary with her tits out firing milk into the mouth of St Bernard. (It is called Leibfraumilch) Or this one, Here[^] for example. Not only do you have a 13 year old girl with her tits out, there are lots of very young naked children. Does this really require a government agency to tell you whether it is suitable or not?
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What of the great art of the renaissance. There are pictures of Mary with her tits out firing milk into the mouth of St Bernard. (It is called Leibfraumilch) Or this one, Here[^] for example. Not only do you have a 13 year old girl with her tits out, there are lots of very young naked children. Does this really require a government agency to tell you whether it is suitable or not?
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I guess perhaps you're illiterate. However, ratings and censorship are not the same thing. It's perfectly reasonably for art that involves nudity to be classified as such, for sexually confronting art to be rated as not suitable for minors ( porn is rated now, and unless we're willing to go down a path where the government decides what IS art, who is to say that Penthouse is less art than a gallery with photos of naked people in sexual positions ? ), and if art involves getting children to pose in sexual positions, for the government to have a say in how minors are treated. None of that has anything to do with the government deciding the merits of art, or banning anything that is analogous to the art you refer to. Amusingly, this has not even made the news here, probably because it's a beat up story based on something that is unlikely to ever get results here.
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You're being an arse and you know it. Post a naked photo of yourself on the front fence of your local kindergarten with your phone number and then we'll talk about freedoms and rights.
ROTFL - brilliant.
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You're being an arse and you know it. Post a naked photo of yourself on the front fence of your local kindergarten with your phone number and then we'll talk about freedoms and rights.
I've just done that - with Dave's picture and phone number.
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I've just done that - with Dave's picture and phone number.
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I've just done that - with Dave's picture and phone number.
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On the contary, I have paid £75, I feel I have paid for the right to Toss anything out my car window for the next 5 years.
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He's posted them outside bars.
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He's posted them outside bars.
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I did not see those photos, but I was lead to believe by the media ( who I don't trust, I admit ), that they were sexual in nature. I don't think it's healthy that people can do anything they want, if they call it art. On the other hand, one of the naked girls in the museum is around 13, so it's not like it's impossible to show a naked girl of that age in Australia, if it's for the right reasons and in the right context.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I was lead to believe by the media ( who I don't trust, I admit ), that they were sexual in nature.
They weren't, at all. It was just knee-jerk moral panic by over-active imaginations.
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Who else would have a CCC tattoo?
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Jeez between you and PompeyBoy I have no dignity. Now stop posting them or the Negatives of you and Andrew Marr will be sent to the News of the World!
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I've just done that - with Dave's picture and phone number.
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Jeez between you and PompeyBoy I have no dignity. Now stop posting them or the Negatives of you and Andrew Marr will be sent to the News of the World!
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:laugh: The ball-breaking is a term of flattery you know, and the dignity was absent long before me and Pete turned up.
I'm getting funny looks on the train - that made me laugh out loud.
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Jeez between you and PompeyBoy I have no dignity. Now stop posting them or the Negatives of you and Andrew Marr will be sent to the News of the World!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
the Negatives of you and Andrew Marr will be sent to the News of the World
As long as I get a cut of the money. You forget, I have no shame or dignity. I support NUFC after all.
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When it comes to TV, Cinema etc the UK, like the rest of Europe, is very liberal when it comes to nudity, sex and swearing, at least compared too the States. I find it amazing when I watch American shows and they blur out arses :wtf: I even watched Americas got Talent the other day and one act was Sumo Wrestling and they blurred the arses out. I don't know about Ozzie TV, but I would assume it is somewhere between the UK and US on that front. As for the 'Nanny State' you are right, I reckon even if they are giving your Art age restrictions, you still have more freedom than us Brits. We have an extensive CCTV network that is used to raise money for the local authorities by fining law-abiding citizens for trivial matters. I am currently being chased for £75, for discarding a half-eaten burger. As my car reg. was recorded on CCTV, I have no defence. To put it in perspective, £75 is about the same you would get if convicted of a minor assault.
The explanation I've gotten for movie censorship is that the director creates his cut of the movie. He then edits out all the sex and labels the result the US Theatrical Release. He then goes back to the directors cut, edits out all the violence and labels it the European theatrical release. Both our societies are insane for thinking we can make something go away by pretending really hard that it doesn't exist. :rolleyes:
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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The explanation I've gotten for movie censorship is that the director creates his cut of the movie. He then edits out all the sex and labels the result the US Theatrical Release. He then goes back to the directors cut, edits out all the violence and labels it the European theatrical release. Both our societies are insane for thinking we can make something go away by pretending really hard that it doesn't exist. :rolleyes:
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
