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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&u=/nm/20021219/ts_nm/attack_immigration_dc_3&printer=1[^] I may be leaning more to Chris Losinger's point of view after reading this. If this keeps up, Bush will lose my vote to the Libertarians.
Jason Henderson
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&u=/nm/20021219/ts_nm/attack_immigration_dc_3&printer=1[^] I may be leaning more to Chris Losinger's point of view after reading this. If this keeps up, Bush will lose my vote to the Libertarians.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *wow, GWB and pals never cease to disgust me. Jason Henderson wrote: may be leaning more to Chris Losinger's point of view after reading this give in to the dark side. :suss: but seriously, i simply feel that GWB is a danger to everything this country is supposed to be about. -c
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&u=/nm/20021219/ts_nm/attack_immigration_dc_3&printer=1[^] I may be leaning more to Chris Losinger's point of view after reading this. If this keeps up, Bush will lose my vote to the Libertarians.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Yep, ugly! History repeats itself, Didn't japanese got in camps in the 2nd WW ? they did in Canada, don't know about USA ? Doesn't that makes you remember the movie "The Siege" with Denzel Washington ? Max.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&u=/nm/20021219/ts_nm/attack_immigration_dc_3&printer=1[^] I may be leaning more to Chris Losinger's point of view after reading this. If this keeps up, Bush will lose my vote to the Libertarians.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *If it is not right, then do something about it. Write to your congressman, senator. Get onto the local news, join a protest march. This is America, make use of your rights before it is too late. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
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Yep, ugly! History repeats itself, Didn't japanese got in camps in the 2nd WW ? they did in Canada, don't know about USA ? Doesn't that makes you remember the movie "The Siege" with Denzel Washington ? Max.
Maximilien wrote: Doesn't that makes you remember the movie "The Siege" with Denzel Washington ? You're right, there are some similarities. :eek: An excellent movie, IMO.
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
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If it is not right, then do something about it. Write to your congressman, senator. Get onto the local news, join a protest march. This is America, make use of your rights before it is too late. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
Michael P Butler wrote: If it is not right, then do something about it. He's propagating the info in the Soapbox and invites to debate. It's far from nothing IMO !
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
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I just gave this post a 5. Welcome to the police state folks :~ The tigress is here :D
Trollslayer wrote: Welcome to the police state folks See The Daily Show last night? Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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wow, GWB and pals never cease to disgust me. Jason Henderson wrote: may be leaning more to Chris Losinger's point of view after reading this give in to the dark side. :suss: but seriously, i simply feel that GWB is a danger to everything this country is supposed to be about. -c
This is by far the closest thing I've seen to the internment camps of ww2. I don't know who is behind this, but we need to nip it in the bud. Heads need to roll.
Jason Henderson
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If it is not right, then do something about it. Write to your congressman, senator. Get onto the local news, join a protest march. This is America, make use of your rights before it is too late. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
Michael P Butler wrote: Write to your congressman, senator. I plan to.
Jason Henderson
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Michael P Butler wrote: If it is not right, then do something about it. He's propagating the info in the Soapbox and invites to debate. It's far from nothing IMO !
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum
True enough, Karl. but for this it is far from enough. :mad: I'm planning on reading up more on this, and at the least writing to officials about my disgust. things really appear to be getting out of hand. BW "If you enjoy what you do, you'll never work another day in your life." - Confucius
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Yep, ugly! History repeats itself, Didn't japanese got in camps in the 2nd WW ? they did in Canada, don't know about USA ? Doesn't that makes you remember the movie "The Siege" with Denzel Washington ? Max.
Although most people don't knowq, in the UK during WW" some jews of german descent were shipped to camps in Australia. There was a drama about this several years ago with Bob Hoskins in. Elaine (still can't change my profile pic :mad: ) The tigress is here :D
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Yep, ugly! History repeats itself, Didn't japanese got in camps in the 2nd WW ? they did in Canada, don't know about USA ? Doesn't that makes you remember the movie "The Siege" with Denzel Washington ? Max.
They did it here too. I think heads need to role over this. Bush needs to find out who ordered this and can them.
Jason Henderson
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&u=/nm/20021219/ts_nm/attack_immigration_dc_3&printer=1[^] I may be leaning more to Chris Losinger's point of view after reading this. If this keeps up, Bush will lose my vote to the Libertarians.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *I looked through loads of news links on Yahoo and couldn't find anything on this....... Who said "For evil to triumph all that is required is that good men do nothing" ? The tigress is here :D
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&u=/nm/20021219/ts_nm/attack_immigration_dc_3&printer=1[^] I may be leaning more to Chris Losinger's point of view after reading this. If this keeps up, Bush will lose my vote to the Libertarians.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *I'm not saying what they are doing is right but consider the following from the article: INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. What do you propose happen to people who violate immigration laws and commit other crimes? Shouldn't they be detained or arrested? They would be in just about every other country I can think of. The UK detains immigration violators don't they? France arrests people who commit crimes don't they? These kinds of comments are complete BS: Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here. So what? If it was done illegally they need to be stopped. I've lived in the US for 39 years, working and paying taxes for 24 years. If I commit a crime I fully expect to be arrested. Why is this any different? "Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said. Who said anything about terrorism? If a police officer pulls over a car for speeding and determines that the driver is wanted for a different crime doesn't he arrest him? I think too many people are getting too politically correct and are losing site of the big picture. People are responsible for their actions. PERIOD! If you are an illegal immigrant you deserve to be detained and/or deported, if you commit a crime you deserve to be arrested. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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True enough, Karl. but for this it is far from enough. :mad: I'm planning on reading up more on this, and at the least writing to officials about my disgust. things really appear to be getting out of hand. BW "If you enjoy what you do, you'll never work another day in your life." - Confucius
brianwelsch wrote: things really appear to be getting out of hand It's like the homeland security department being closer of the RSHA (Reichssicherheitshauptamt, or Reich Security Main Office) :suss:
One small village of indomitable geeks still holds out against the invaders. And life is not easy for the managers legionaries who garrison the fortified camps of Microsoftum, Javum, Ceplumplum and Vebasum__
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I'm not saying what they are doing is right but consider the following from the article: INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. What do you propose happen to people who violate immigration laws and commit other crimes? Shouldn't they be detained or arrested? They would be in just about every other country I can think of. The UK detains immigration violators don't they? France arrests people who commit crimes don't they? These kinds of comments are complete BS: Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here. So what? If it was done illegally they need to be stopped. I've lived in the US for 39 years, working and paying taxes for 24 years. If I commit a crime I fully expect to be arrested. Why is this any different? "Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said. Who said anything about terrorism? If a police officer pulls over a car for speeding and determines that the driver is wanted for a different crime doesn't he arrest him? I think too many people are getting too politically correct and are losing site of the big picture. People are responsible for their actions. PERIOD! If you are an illegal immigrant you deserve to be detained and/or deported, if you commit a crime you deserve to be arrested. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
Mike Mullikin wrote: What do you propose happen to people who violate immigration laws and commit other crimes? Shouldn't they be detained or arrested? Yes, but this seems like entrapment to me. They came to the INS to be registered, not to be arrested. It just seems like an underhanded way of getting illegal immigrants out of the country. Shouldn't we do this for all immigrants and not just arabs?
Jason Henderson
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I'm not saying what they are doing is right but consider the following from the article: INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. What do you propose happen to people who violate immigration laws and commit other crimes? Shouldn't they be detained or arrested? They would be in just about every other country I can think of. The UK detains immigration violators don't they? France arrests people who commit crimes don't they? These kinds of comments are complete BS: Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here. So what? If it was done illegally they need to be stopped. I've lived in the US for 39 years, working and paying taxes for 24 years. If I commit a crime I fully expect to be arrested. Why is this any different? "Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said. Who said anything about terrorism? If a police officer pulls over a car for speeding and determines that the driver is wanted for a different crime doesn't he arrest him? I think too many people are getting too politically correct and are losing site of the big picture. People are responsible for their actions. PERIOD! If you are an illegal immigrant you deserve to be detained and/or deported, if you commit a crime you deserve to be arrested. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: I've no problem with that if that was applied to illegal immigrants of all national origins My sentiments exactly.
Jason Henderson
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Mike Mullikin wrote: What do you propose happen to people who violate immigration laws and commit other crimes? Shouldn't they be detained or arrested? Yes, but this seems like entrapment to me. They came to the INS to be registered, not to be arrested. It just seems like an underhanded way of getting illegal immigrants out of the country. Shouldn't we do this for all immigrants and not just arabs?
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: Yes, but this seems like entrapment to me. They came to the INS to be registered, not to be arrested. It just seems like an underhanded way of getting illegal immigrants out of the country. Wrong, they have no expectation of privacy and none of their "rights" have been violated. I think it's highly likely that the INS had no clue how many middle eastern immigrants were here illegally. Which brings me to another point. Why do we call them immigrants? That term invokes an image of "poor" foreigners following the letter of the law and trying to forge a new life for their family in a new country with the idea that they would eventually become naturalized citizens. That simply isn't the case here. We have a collection of foreigners who have broken immigration laws and committed other crimes and only now are they crying about fairness and democracy. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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Jason Henderson wrote: Yes, but this seems like entrapment to me. They came to the INS to be registered, not to be arrested. It just seems like an underhanded way of getting illegal immigrants out of the country. Wrong, they have no expectation of privacy and none of their "rights" have been violated. I think it's highly likely that the INS had no clue how many middle eastern immigrants were here illegally. Which brings me to another point. Why do we call them immigrants? That term invokes an image of "poor" foreigners following the letter of the law and trying to forge a new life for their family in a new country with the idea that they would eventually become naturalized citizens. That simply isn't the case here. We have a collection of foreigners who have broken immigration laws and committed other crimes and only now are they crying about fairness and democracy. Mike Mullikin :beer:
The goal of any programmer is to build something that will last at least until he's finished building it. - - Anonymous
Mike Mullikin wrote: Wrong, they have no expectation of privacy and none of their "rights" have been violated. I think it's highly likely that the INS had no clue how many middle eastern immigrants were here illegally. They should have an expectation of fairness. If we do this to arabs we must do it to all nationalities. Mike Mullikin wrote: Why do we call them immigrants? That term invokes an image of "poor" foreigners following the letter of the law and trying to forge a new life for their family in a new country with the idea that they would eventually become naturalized citizens. That simply isn't the case here. We have a collection of foreigners who have broken immigration laws and committed other crimes and only now are they crying about fairness and democracy. Just because they have broken immigration laws does not mean they are bad people. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but that does not make them terrorists. If they are legitamately seeking a better life, the INS should allow them to stay by extending their visas, etc.
Jason Henderson
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