I Hate Applying For Jobs
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digital man wrote:
Agreed: short and to the point works well.
To apply, please email your resume together with a cover letter addressing four of the Institute’s core competencies. Under each competency heading choose two bullet points to address providing an example of when you have demonstrated that capability in the workplace. Maximum of 1 a page per competency heading. Wish I could make it short.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Is this job for CEO of a global corporate?
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Is this job for CEO of a global corporate?
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
digital man wrote:
Is this job for CEO of a global corporate?
They have Global and Institute in their name and it's for a Systems Engineer or Systems Administratorm position depending on how you like to name the style of position.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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same thing happened to me, a couple jobs back. i was the only one to send a thank you, and the manager said that's what got me the job. of course i wouldn't have sent that thank-you note if my wife wasn't a recruiter and didn't insist that i do it. but, she was right!
Chris Losinger wrote:
my wife ... was right!
Shhh! Never let on...
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Tarting up the resume in the hope of getting to the interview is bad enough, but having to pimp yourself via a cover letter to get the resume read in the first place sucks arse big time. The creation of the cover letter is killing me at the moment.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Not impossible, but unlikely. But worse comes to worst, I continue where I am, working for the "old" regime as a strictly local person instead of as a regional kind of guy. Regional is better because...Telework! Or Virtual work*! (If I want to, that is.) *"Virtual work" meaning I can sit anywhere there's a place for me, hopefully closer then the 45 miles commute I currently do.
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Slacker007 wrote:
You did. Every job I have ever interviewed for required a cover letter with the resume. To me they are one in the same.
What kind of job are you applying for?It's a System Administration role, I've never had to do a cover letter before, this is pretty much how it went. 1987 - Job straight out of school, pretty much, haven't got 2 heads your in. 1989 - Started as a programmer at same job. 1995 - Senior Programming role, put resume in with agency, sent to interview, got the job. 1999 - Senior Consultant, someonein the company knew of me, I got asked for an interview, got the job 2002 - Work For the Dole Supervisor - was retrenched and this was the only job I could get, interview easier than back in 1987. 2005 - Manage a pub - Helped the Licensee keep a job back in 1996, he owed me, I needed a job 2007 - Systems Engineer, had done weekend work for the company starting in 2002, they needed someone full time, it was me 2008 - Not even listed on resume - The interviewer was 7 levels below me on the evolutuionary scale, got the job 2009 - Senior Systems Engineer - See 2007, owner of that company actually contracts at the big end of town, needed an employee, interview was foregone conclusion 2011 - ICT Officer - Need to move, this is a customer, I have done 7 months on site in the last 17, should be a lay down misere, but need to jump through hoops Hating having to do one now.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Well, good luck and I hope you get the job. :)
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Tarting up the resume in the hope of getting to the interview is bad enough, but having to pimp yourself via a cover letter to get the resume read in the first place sucks arse big time. The creation of the cover letter is killing me at the moment.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
I know what you mean. Especially with the requirements you quoted! I once did a cover letter for a job I really would have liked, but really didn't have the skills for, by listing out their requirements with comments saying how I could do it with my eyes closed, I'd won awards for it etc. then, at the bottom, put something like "just kidding - no relevant experience, but I'm really keen, and would be brilliant at the job - read my resume and take the gamble" I was gobsmacked when the MD called me for an informal chat. And somewhat disappointed that the salary they were offering wouldn't have paid for dog food.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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I know what you mean. Especially with the requirements you quoted! I once did a cover letter for a job I really would have liked, but really didn't have the skills for, by listing out their requirements with comments saying how I could do it with my eyes closed, I'd won awards for it etc. then, at the bottom, put something like "just kidding - no relevant experience, but I'm really keen, and would be brilliant at the job - read my resume and take the gamble" I was gobsmacked when the MD called me for an informal chat. And somewhat disappointed that the salary they were offering wouldn't have paid for dog food.
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
And somewhat disappointed that the salary they were offering wouldn't have paid for dog food.
If I get this job I will finally be back to earning what I did back in 1999 (negotiated in late 1998), I'm realy earning shit money where I am. I can see how I have gotten to where I am, but it still don't make me feel any better.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
And somewhat disappointed that the salary they were offering wouldn't have paid for dog food.
If I get this job I will finally be back to earning what I did back in 1999 (negotiated in late 1998), I'm realy earning shit money where I am. I can see how I have gotten to where I am, but it still don't make me feel any better.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
I will finally be back to earning what I did back in 1999
I'm assuming that it was in fact higher - you're not going back to 1999 rates :)
Michael Martin wrote:
I can see how I have gotten to where I am, but it still don't make me feel any better.
Like lying at the foot of a high cliff- you can be amazed at the height you have fallen, and survived, but you still have that long climb back... Good luck!
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Michael Martin wrote:
I will finally be back to earning what I did back in 1999
I'm assuming that it was in fact higher - you're not going back to 1999 rates :)
Michael Martin wrote:
I can see how I have gotten to where I am, but it still don't make me feel any better.
Like lying at the foot of a high cliff- you can be amazed at the height you have fallen, and survived, but you still have that long climb back... Good luck!
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
I'm assuming that it was in fact higher - you're not going back to 1999 rates :)
It will be in fact what I was earning back in 1999, last couple of years have been 1995/96 salary, I am not a contractor.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Tarting up the resume in the hope of getting to the interview is bad enough, but having to pimp yourself via a cover letter to get the resume read in the first place sucks arse big time. The creation of the cover letter is killing me at the moment.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
If you hate applying you're really gonna hate what happens when you get hired. They actually make you work... ALL DAY, sometimes 8 to 10 hours a day. Maybe we should just go back on unemployment... LOL
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I skip the covering letter, and also the CV. If they have a problem, if no one else can help, and if they can find me, maybe they can hire...me. (I wish)
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
Looks like I'm the only one that got that Hannibal. Tell B.A. we need the enterprise database set up on my mobile phone will ya?
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Looks like I'm the only one that got that Hannibal. Tell B.A. we need the enterprise database set up on my mobile phone will ya?
Crazy Fool! :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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Tarting up the resume in the hope of getting to the interview is bad enough, but having to pimp yourself via a cover letter to get the resume read in the first place sucks arse big time. The creation of the cover letter is killing me at the moment.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
It is a pain in the ass but I think that sometimes it may get you through to the interview. Almost like the thank you letter can count towards getting the job. Depending the situation you're in you better do it and mean it. I was the victim of a purging operation by new management. In short, 3 months ago I was head hunted for this company. The VP of software dev liked me so I got in. In a month he left and they brought in new guys. I got axed. With no job and some obligations at home I cannot be that selective so I had to write a cover letter (slightly personalized) with every resume submision. Good luck
giuchici
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Tarting up the resume in the hope of getting to the interview is bad enough, but having to pimp yourself via a cover letter to get the resume read in the first place sucks arse big time. The creation of the cover letter is killing me at the moment.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
No matter how good you are, a little advertising goes a long way. The coverletter is the attention-getter. The resume contains the details. Both have to focus on what the potential employer is trying to accomplish. Any fakery or embellishment of those two documents can destroy your credibility and employability.
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No matter how good you are, a little advertising goes a long way. The coverletter is the attention-getter. The resume contains the details. Both have to focus on what the potential employer is trying to accomplish. Any fakery or embellishment of those two documents can destroy your credibility and employability.
I agree don't lie. But the biggest but in the world is one fact. We are programmers, geeks, nerds, We think for a living and we love it. However we have no idea how to sell ourselves or our accomplishments. Heck I have written and coded dashboards that are being used at a fortune 50 company. How the heck do I put that in English that is not braggin but also isn't selling myself short. Here is one time I would highly recommend you get someone (a professional writer, public relations, sales person(shudder)) to just at least read through what you write or heck write the thing for you. That is what I had done and it made a world of difference. No lying but also the wording was perfect for me. (I am however very lucky, my wife is a writer, public relations person)
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
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Tarting up the resume in the hope of getting to the interview is bad enough, but having to pimp yourself via a cover letter to get the resume read in the first place sucks arse big time. The creation of the cover letter is killing me at the moment.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Sounds like a good excuse not to have a job! I haven't interviewed for a job since 1974.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Tarting up the resume in the hope of getting to the interview is bad enough, but having to pimp yourself via a cover letter to get the resume read in the first place sucks arse big time. The creation of the cover letter is killing me at the moment.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Michael, if you don't have a resume listing what you can and can not do then how do you expect to get hired? If you were hiring someone, would you not want to know what they can do? I guess resumes and cover letters are not an issue with me then - not even a thought in my mind...they never were; you just did them to get work.
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That's exactly what I do. I prefer to be me. :)
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I agree don't lie. But the biggest but in the world is one fact. We are programmers, geeks, nerds, We think for a living and we love it. However we have no idea how to sell ourselves or our accomplishments. Heck I have written and coded dashboards that are being used at a fortune 50 company. How the heck do I put that in English that is not braggin but also isn't selling myself short. Here is one time I would highly recommend you get someone (a professional writer, public relations, sales person(shudder)) to just at least read through what you write or heck write the thing for you. That is what I had done and it made a world of difference. No lying but also the wording was perfect for me. (I am however very lucky, my wife is a writer, public relations person)
To err is human to really mess up you need a computer
rnbergren has the right idea: If you don't know how to identify and present your accomplishments, get a specialist to help you. It will be well worth the money. You will also learn something. Generally, after 35 years as a technical specialist, I have found that having skills beyond your technical area is essential to success. Having something worthwhile and traceable to put into your resume and coverletter is essential. Becoming a highly-skilled professional goes beyond resumes, cover letters, and job hunting. I and others have written a great deal on this subject. You can read more at http://informationanthology.net/CareerMentor/[^].
