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    Christian Graus wrote: Although the US is low on my list, after England, Ireland and Russia 1. Replace England with Spain. I've been to both and Spain wins hands down. 2. Ireland rocks! 3. I'd rather see Australia than Russia. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:

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    My interest in England and Russia is about the same. I'm fascinated by history, and the US is low on my list only because y'all haven't been there long enough for my liking. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
    C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
    Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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      The point is: You don't ask people to register, and when thex step forward, you put them in prison. Next time they won't. Would you step forward if you know prison awaits you?


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      peterchen wrote: Would you step forward if you know prison awaits you? No, but then again I don't commit crimes and I wouldn't attempt to stay in a country illegally by breaking immigration laws. This leads us to the crux of the situation: The ones who had committed no crimes or were here legally were not detained. I beleive the laws in Germany are very similar to the US in this area. If a foreigner commits a crime they can be arrested. True? Also, if a foreigner violates immigration laws they can be detained or deported. True? Why does everyone expect the US to do anything different? Mike Mullikin :beer:

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        My interest in England and Russia is about the same. I'm fascinated by history, and the US is low on my list only because y'all haven't been there long enough for my liking. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
        C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
        Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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        Christian Graus wrote: I'm fascinated by history, and the US is low on my list only because y'all haven't been there long enough for my liking. I agree 100%. I love history and really enjoyed touring the Spanish countryside. I stayed in the Basque region for two weeks touring villages and their cathedrals. Remarkable!! Another huge drawing point for Spain is the women. I've never seen so many stunningly beautiful women in one place. ZOW!!! :-O Mike Mullikin :beer:

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          I wonder if they died for rounding up immigrants from islamic countries with "uncertain" status.


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          On the morning of September 11, 2001 two distinct groups of people boarded flight 93. One group planned on arriving in San Francisco and seeing friends, family or business associates, the other group planned on killing everyone on board and hundreds of civilians. One group died trying to protect, the other trying to murder. Mike Mullikin :beer:

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            Christian Graus wrote: I'm fascinated by history, and the US is low on my list only because y'all haven't been there long enough for my liking. I agree 100%. I love history and really enjoyed touring the Spanish countryside. I stayed in the Basque region for two weeks touring villages and their cathedrals. Remarkable!! Another huge drawing point for Spain is the women. I've never seen so many stunningly beautiful women in one place. ZOW!!! :-O Mike Mullikin :beer:

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            Mike Mullikin wrote: Another huge drawing point for Spain is the women. I've never seen so many stunningly beautiful women in one place. ZOW!!! Um.. I agree with regard to history for all of Europe, but on this point, I should add I'd be travelling with my wife.... Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
            C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
            Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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              On the morning of September 11, 2001 two distinct groups of people boarded flight 93. One group planned on arriving in San Francisco and seeing friends, family or business associates, the other group planned on killing everyone on board and hundreds of civilians. One group died trying to protect, the other trying to murder. Mike Mullikin :beer:

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              Mike Mullikin wrote: One group died trying to protect, the other trying to murder. Who's arguing that?


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                peterchen wrote: Would you step forward if you know prison awaits you? No, but then again I don't commit crimes and I wouldn't attempt to stay in a country illegally by breaking immigration laws. This leads us to the crux of the situation: The ones who had committed no crimes or were here legally were not detained. I beleive the laws in Germany are very similar to the US in this area. If a foreigner commits a crime they can be arrested. True? Also, if a foreigner violates immigration laws they can be detained or deported. True? Why does everyone expect the US to do anything different? Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                Mike Mullikin wrote: If a foreigner commits a crime they can be arrested. True? I guess it's the same everywhere. However: a) not every crime means arrest b) as much as I doubt all of the arrested were "innocent immigrants", I doubt that all of the arrests were reasonable c) Although you can detain someone without any accusation for a period of time, this is not the way to get them: "Come out, we just want to count you, you know", "Whack Whack Whack". d) You seem to put full trust into "the law".


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                  Mike Mullikin wrote: If a foreigner commits a crime they can be arrested. True? I guess it's the same everywhere. However: a) not every crime means arrest b) as much as I doubt all of the arrested were "innocent immigrants", I doubt that all of the arrests were reasonable c) Although you can detain someone without any accusation for a period of time, this is not the way to get them: "Come out, we just want to count you, you know", "Whack Whack Whack". d) You seem to put full trust into "the law".


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                  peterchen wrote: c) Although you can detain someone without any accusation for a period of time, this is not the way to get them: "Come out, we just want to count you, you know", "Whack Whack Whack". Seemed pretty effective to me. :) peterchen wrote: d) You seem to put full trust into "the law". No, but I also don't automatically assume "the law" is wrong either. Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                    Mike Mullikin wrote: Another huge drawing point for Spain is the women. I've never seen so many stunningly beautiful women in one place. ZOW!!! Um.. I agree with regard to history for all of Europe, but on this point, I should add I'd be travelling with my wife.... Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
                    C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002
                    Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002

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                    Christian Graus wrote: I should add I'd be travelling with my wife.... In that case if you make it to Spain, I HIGHLY recommend buying a pair of mirrored sunglasses so you can look without getting elbowed in the ribs every 2 minutes. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                      peterchen wrote: c) Although you can detain someone without any accusation for a period of time, this is not the way to get them: "Come out, we just want to count you, you know", "Whack Whack Whack". Seemed pretty effective to me. :) peterchen wrote: d) You seem to put full trust into "the law". No, but I also don't automatically assume "the law" is wrong either. Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                      Mike Mullikin wrote: Seemed pretty effective to me Yep, effective in alienating the Islamic populaiton of the US - even tose living legally there, effective in destroying trust in state and federal offices. Sure, everybody is oblieged to followthe law. but just because its the law doesn't mean it's right. (cf. jus primae noctis)


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                        Mike Mullikin wrote: One group died trying to protect, the other trying to murder. Who's arguing that?


                        If I could find a souvenir / just to prove the world was here   [sighist]

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                        peterchen wrote: Who's arguing that? You seemed to be questioning whether they died for a worthy cause - I just thought I'd remind you of the circumstances. :rose: Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                          peterchen wrote: Who's arguing that? You seemed to be questioning whether they died for a worthy cause - I just thought I'd remind you of the circumstances. :rose: Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                          I just questioned that the worthy cause they died for was rounding up illegal immigrants of islamic origin. They died for a worthy cause, but they shouldn't have had to.


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