Isn't this the premise of a movie or something...
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Suicide is illegal as is assisting someone's suicide. You can publish bomb making instructions then? Does the US have a system that monitors internet and phone traffic for key words?
_Josh_ wrote:
You can publish bomb making instructions then?
Yes. A friend of mine wrote a rather famous one... twenty years ago or so. His only reference was a high school chemistry textbook. Years later some kid blew his hands off after using it and my friend ended up on one of the network evening news shows. The show was basically attacking the internet for making this information available (the internet had just gone mainstream back then). But who was ultimately responsible? My friend? The textbook? The internet? How about the kid for being an idiot?
_Josh_ wrote:
Does the US have a system that monitors internet and phone traffic for key words?
Yes, we call it Google. ;)
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
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Suicide is illegal as is assisting someone's suicide. You can publish bomb making instructions then? Does the US have a system that monitors internet and phone traffic for key words?
Suicide is technically not illegal in most areas: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2501/is-suicide-against-the-law[^] Also, the previous poster is correct, plenty of people publish bomb making instructions. Hell, you can figure out how to build certain things using government documents and/or FoIA requests. All high school chemistry teachers would also be in jail, too. The U.S. supposedly only monitors internal traffic anonymously, that is untraceable or unfocused on individuals, but keep in mind, it doesn't block these.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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_Josh_ wrote:
You can publish bomb making instructions then?
Yes. A friend of mine wrote a rather famous one... twenty years ago or so. His only reference was a high school chemistry textbook. Years later some kid blew his hands off after using it and my friend ended up on one of the network evening news shows. The show was basically attacking the internet for making this information available (the internet had just gone mainstream back then). But who was ultimately responsible? My friend? The textbook? The internet? How about the kid for being an idiot?
_Josh_ wrote:
Does the US have a system that monitors internet and phone traffic for key words?
Yes, we call it Google. ;)
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
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Suicide is technically not illegal in most areas: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2501/is-suicide-against-the-law[^] Also, the previous poster is correct, plenty of people publish bomb making instructions. Hell, you can figure out how to build certain things using government documents and/or FoIA requests. All high school chemistry teachers would also be in jail, too. The U.S. supposedly only monitors internal traffic anonymously, that is untraceable or unfocused on individuals, but keep in mind, it doesn't block these.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
wizardzz wrote:
The U.S. supposedly only monitors internal traffic anonymously, that is untraceable or unfocused on individuals, but keep in mind, it doesn't block these.
Australia does not block any web sites. By all means continue to compare us to a communist dictatorship. If you believe that you have freedom on the internet then more fool you.
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Suicide is technically not illegal in most areas: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2501/is-suicide-against-the-law[^] Also, the previous poster is correct, plenty of people publish bomb making instructions. Hell, you can figure out how to build certain things using government documents and/or FoIA requests. All high school chemistry teachers would also be in jail, too. The U.S. supposedly only monitors internal traffic anonymously, that is untraceable or unfocused on individuals, but keep in mind, it doesn't block these.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_america#Trading_with_the_Enemy_Act[^] Trading with the Enemy Act In March 2008, the New York Times reported that a blacklist published by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), an agency established under the Trading with the Enemy Act 1917 and other federal legislation, included a number of websites, so that U.S. companies are prohibited from doing business with those websites and must freeze their assets. The blacklist has the effect that domain name registrars based in the U.S. must block those websites. According to the New York Times, eNom, a private domain name registrar and Web hosting company operating in the U.S., disables domain names which appear on the blacklist.[23] It describes eNom’s disabling of a European travel agent’s Web sites advertising travel to Cuba, which appeared on the list[24] published by OFAC. According to the report, the U.S. government claimed that eNom was "legally required" to block the websites under U.S. law, even though the websites were not hosted in the U.S., were not targeted at U.S. persons and were legal under foreign law.
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Suicide is illegal as is assisting someone's suicide. You can publish bomb making instructions then? Does the US have a system that monitors internet and phone traffic for key words?
_Josh_ wrote:
Suicide is illegal
Presumably you mean attempted suicide, or has Oz figured out a way of pressing criminal charges against a corpse?
_Josh_ wrote:
You can publish bomb making instructions then
Sure, can't you?
_Josh_ wrote:
Does the US have a system that monitors internet and phone traffic for key words?
Of course, we may even have sent a copy to Australia. It's called Predator. But that is hardly the same thing as telling ISPs that you'll put them out of business if they permit access to certain sites, now is it? From Wikipedia. "On 10 March 2009, the ACMA (Australian Communications and Media Authority) issued the Australian web-hosting company, Bulletproof Networks, with an "interim link-deletion notice" due to its customer, the Whirlpool internet community website, not deleting a link to a page on an anti-abortion web site. The web page, which is the 6th of a series of pages featuring images of aborted foetuses, had been submitted to the ACMA, who determined it was potential prohibited content, by the user whose post on Whirlpool containing the ACMA's reply was later subject to the link-deletion notice. This came with an $11,000 per day fine if the take down was not actioned after 24 hours." On 19 March 2009 it was reported that the ACMA's blacklist of banned sites had been leaked online, and had been published by Wikileaks. Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, obtained the blacklist after the ACMA blocked several Wikileaks pages following their publication of the Danish blacklist. Assange said that "This week saw Australia joining China and the United Arab Emirates as the only countries censoring Wikileaks." Three lists purporting to be from the ACMA were published online over a seven day period. The leaked list, which was reported to have been obtained from a manufacturer of internet filtering software, contained 2395 sites. Approximately half of the sites on the list were not related to child pornography, and included online gambling sites, YouTube pages, gay, straight, and fetish pornography sites, Wikipedia entries, euthanasia sites, websites of fringe religions, Christian sites, and even the websites of a tour operator and a Queensland dentist. A dentist???
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three
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(from http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/indian-call-center-americanization?page=3 in the CP Daily Newsletter) During our second day of culture training, Lekha dissected the Australian psyche. It took about 20 minutes. "Just stating facts, guys," Lekha began, as we scribbled notes, "Australia is known as the dumbest continent. Literally, college was unknown there until recently. So speak slowly." Next to me, a young man in a turban wrote No college in his notebook. "Technologically speaking, they're somewhat backward, as well. The average person's mobile would be no better than, say, a Nokia 3110 classic." This drew scoffs from around the room. "Australians drink constantly," Lekha continued. "If you call on a Friday night, they'll be smashed—every time. Oh, and don't attempt to make small talk with them about their pets, okay? They can be quite touchy about animals." ;P
We were waiting, We were watching. Yes we knew it all along. You were wrong. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
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wizardzz wrote:
The U.S. supposedly only monitors internal traffic anonymously, that is untraceable or unfocused on individuals, but keep in mind, it doesn't block these.
Australia does not block any web sites. By all means continue to compare us to a communist dictatorship. If you believe that you have freedom on the internet then more fool you.
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Until very recently, that was the plan though wasn't it?
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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_Josh_ wrote:
Suicide is illegal
Presumably you mean attempted suicide, or has Oz figured out a way of pressing criminal charges against a corpse?
_Josh_ wrote:
You can publish bomb making instructions then
Sure, can't you?
_Josh_ wrote:
Does the US have a system that monitors internet and phone traffic for key words?
Of course, we may even have sent a copy to Australia. It's called Predator. But that is hardly the same thing as telling ISPs that you'll put them out of business if they permit access to certain sites, now is it? From Wikipedia. "On 10 March 2009, the ACMA (Australian Communications and Media Authority) issued the Australian web-hosting company, Bulletproof Networks, with an "interim link-deletion notice" due to its customer, the Whirlpool internet community website, not deleting a link to a page on an anti-abortion web site. The web page, which is the 6th of a series of pages featuring images of aborted foetuses, had been submitted to the ACMA, who determined it was potential prohibited content, by the user whose post on Whirlpool containing the ACMA's reply was later subject to the link-deletion notice. This came with an $11,000 per day fine if the take down was not actioned after 24 hours." On 19 March 2009 it was reported that the ACMA's blacklist of banned sites had been leaked online, and had been published by Wikileaks. Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, obtained the blacklist after the ACMA blocked several Wikileaks pages following their publication of the Danish blacklist. Assange said that "This week saw Australia joining China and the United Arab Emirates as the only countries censoring Wikileaks." Three lists purporting to be from the ACMA were published online over a seven day period. The leaked list, which was reported to have been obtained from a manufacturer of internet filtering software, contained 2395 sites. Approximately half of the sites on the list were not related to child pornography, and included online gambling sites, YouTube pages, gay, straight, and fetish pornography sites, Wikipedia entries, euthanasia sites, websites of fringe religions, Christian sites, and even the websites of a tour operator and a Queensland dentist. A dentist???
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three
Oakman wrote:
Presumably you mean attempted suicide, or has Oz figured out a way of pressing criminal charges against a corpse?
Good hair splitting Jon. The act is illegal, the fact there's no one to prosecute doesn't change that. It wouldn't make much sense for attempted suicide to be illegal but not suicide. Also, if suicide wasn't a crime you wouldn't be able to charge someone with being an accessory. There's been a long running public debate here over euthanasia and assisted suicide.
Oakman wrote:
Sure, can't you?
No idea to be honest
Oakman wrote:
we may even have sent a copy to Australia.
Dig dig
Oakman wrote:
But that is hardly the same thing as telling ISPs that you'll put them out of business if they permit access to certain sites, now is it?
I wouldn't know, that doesnt happen here. Perhaps you can provide a url I'm unable to reach due to censorship?
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Oakman wrote:
Presumably you mean attempted suicide, or has Oz figured out a way of pressing criminal charges against a corpse?
Good hair splitting Jon. The act is illegal, the fact there's no one to prosecute doesn't change that. It wouldn't make much sense for attempted suicide to be illegal but not suicide. Also, if suicide wasn't a crime you wouldn't be able to charge someone with being an accessory. There's been a long running public debate here over euthanasia and assisted suicide.
Oakman wrote:
Sure, can't you?
No idea to be honest
Oakman wrote:
we may even have sent a copy to Australia.
Dig dig
Oakman wrote:
But that is hardly the same thing as telling ISPs that you'll put them out of business if they permit access to certain sites, now is it?
I wouldn't know, that doesnt happen here. Perhaps you can provide a url I'm unable to reach due to censorship?
_Josh_ wrote:
Good hair splitting Jon. The act is illegal, the fact there's no one to prosecute doesn't change that. It wouldn't make much sense for attempted suicide to be illegal but not suicide. Also, if suicide wasn't a crime you wouldn't be able to charge someone with being an accessory.
The act itself is legal in most places. Only a handful of States in the U.S. and a few other nations have laws against it.
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson
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Oakman wrote:
Presumably you mean attempted suicide, or has Oz figured out a way of pressing criminal charges against a corpse?
Good hair splitting Jon. The act is illegal, the fact there's no one to prosecute doesn't change that. It wouldn't make much sense for attempted suicide to be illegal but not suicide. Also, if suicide wasn't a crime you wouldn't be able to charge someone with being an accessory. There's been a long running public debate here over euthanasia and assisted suicide.
Oakman wrote:
Sure, can't you?
No idea to be honest
Oakman wrote:
we may even have sent a copy to Australia.
Dig dig
Oakman wrote:
But that is hardly the same thing as telling ISPs that you'll put them out of business if they permit access to certain sites, now is it?
I wouldn't know, that doesnt happen here. Perhaps you can provide a url I'm unable to reach due to censorship?
_Josh_ wrote:
Dig dig
Not really. Just pointing out how wonderfully kind and beneficent the American Empire is. ;)
_Josh_ wrote:
The act is illegal
Perhaps so, and perhaps it is in some states over here. However, I am quite sure that internet references - even explanations of how to commit suicide and rating various ways of doing it abound on the internet I have access to - if they don't show up when you Google "how to commit suicide," then you are experiencing censorship, if not, then not.
_Josh_ wrote:
Perhaps you can provide a url
Perhaps you could write to your censors and ask them for an updated copy of their blacklist - or got here - or use the one here, though it may be somewhat out of date: http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/Australian_government_secret_ACMA_internet_censorship_blacklist%2C_18_Mar_2009/index.html[^]
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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_Josh_ wrote:
Dig dig
Not really. Just pointing out how wonderfully kind and beneficent the American Empire is. ;)
_Josh_ wrote:
The act is illegal
Perhaps so, and perhaps it is in some states over here. However, I am quite sure that internet references - even explanations of how to commit suicide and rating various ways of doing it abound on the internet I have access to - if they don't show up when you Google "how to commit suicide," then you are experiencing censorship, if not, then not.
_Josh_ wrote:
Perhaps you can provide a url
Perhaps you could write to your censors and ask them for an updated copy of their blacklist - or got here - or use the one here, though it may be somewhat out of date: http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/Australian_government_secret_ACMA_internet_censorship_blacklist%2C_18_Mar_2009/index.html[^]
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
Not really. Just pointing out how wonderfully kind and beneficent the American Empire is
Empire!
Oakman wrote:
Perhaps you could write to your censors and ask them for an updated copy of their blacklist - or got here - or use the one here, though it may be somewhat out of date: http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/Australian_government_secret_ACMA_internet_censorship_blacklist%2C_18_Mar_2009/index.html[^]
Yeah it's out of date as it was never implemented. I picked 5 at random and was able to open them all. Want me to describe the picture on dadsslut.com ? meatspin.com was a suprise! So what's you point Jon? What do you think of the original assertion that life in China and Oz are similar because both have censorship of the internet?
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Oakman wrote:
Not really. Just pointing out how wonderfully kind and beneficent the American Empire is
Empire!
Oakman wrote:
Perhaps you could write to your censors and ask them for an updated copy of their blacklist - or got here - or use the one here, though it may be somewhat out of date: http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/Australian_government_secret_ACMA_internet_censorship_blacklist%2C_18_Mar_2009/index.html[^]
Yeah it's out of date as it was never implemented. I picked 5 at random and was able to open them all. Want me to describe the picture on dadsslut.com ? meatspin.com was a suprise! So what's you point Jon? What do you think of the original assertion that life in China and Oz are similar because both have censorship of the internet?
_Josh_ wrote:
Empire!
Didn't you get the memo? We're planning on fixing our deficit by extracting tribute.
_Josh_ wrote:
So what's you point Jon? What do you think of the original assertion that life in China and Oz are similar because both have censorship of the internet?
Nope, I was just made mildly curious by the thread. I've never thought about Australian censorship before and certainly never thought that the thought control that exists there (and I am sure there's some as I am sure there's some everywhere) is anywhere near the equivalent of what the Chinese endure (most of them without even knowing what they're missing - like dadslut.com) I do suspect (chalk it up to my jingoism) that have a written constitution that guarantees free speech does mean that there's a lot of stuff published in the U.S. that many of my fellow citizens think should be burned - along with the publishers, usually. Without that written document, the government can (and sooner or later, will) change the rules, usually to grant themselves more power and control.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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_Josh_ wrote:
Empire!
Didn't you get the memo? We're planning on fixing our deficit by extracting tribute.
_Josh_ wrote:
So what's you point Jon? What do you think of the original assertion that life in China and Oz are similar because both have censorship of the internet?
Nope, I was just made mildly curious by the thread. I've never thought about Australian censorship before and certainly never thought that the thought control that exists there (and I am sure there's some as I am sure there's some everywhere) is anywhere near the equivalent of what the Chinese endure (most of them without even knowing what they're missing - like dadslut.com) I do suspect (chalk it up to my jingoism) that have a written constitution that guarantees free speech does mean that there's a lot of stuff published in the U.S. that many of my fellow citizens think should be burned - along with the publishers, usually. Without that written document, the government can (and sooner or later, will) change the rules, usually to grant themselves more power and control.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
The bill to introduce laws allowing the blocking of those web sites comes every year from our fundy christian party. Unfortunately "Silly bill to censor internet not passed again, lone fundy christian politician with axe to grind forced to wait to reintroduce bill and waste the governments time and money again" doesn't make such an exciting headline for the US news sites as "Australia to censor internet while eating sweet and sour pork"
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The bill to introduce laws allowing the blocking of those web sites comes every year from our fundy christian party. Unfortunately "Silly bill to censor internet not passed again, lone fundy christian politician with axe to grind forced to wait to reintroduce bill and waste the governments time and money again" doesn't make such an exciting headline for the US news sites as "Australia to censor internet while eating sweet and sour pork"
_Josh_ wrote:
lone fundy christian politician with axe to grind forced to wait to reintroduce bill
ROFL - Christian G might take exception to your characterization of Aussie Fundamentalists as silly time wasters, but it's an accurate description of some that I have known over here.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.