I am thinking of going over to the dark side.
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My last several home PCs have had AMD processors because at the time I bought/built them the AMD option seemed to me to offer the best bang/per buck. In addition there might have been a little bit of supporting the underdog involved too. I am considering building a new one which, and I know I've said this before, will probably be the last entirely new system I'll get. Looking at the performance/price figures I cannot see any alternative to an Intel CPU this time. Since I am an impoverished Senior Citizen I'm going to have to save very hard for several months, in any case, and live on bread and pullit while doing so. The question is whether to save until I have the whole cost or save a little, buy some part(s), save a little etc. Over the last few weeks I have been tracking the prices of the various components
- Case
- PSU
- Motherboard
- Processor
- Memory
- SSD
- HD
- Graphics Card
and some seem to be stable whilst others seem to be falling. So, if you were unfortunate enough to have to buy in instalments, in which order would you buy the components and why?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
I see you've got NCAS (New Computer Acquisition Syndrome) If you're like me it doesn't matter what order you order you're going to be jonesing until you get it built. :)
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I see you've got NCAS (New Computer Acquisition Syndrome) If you're like me it doesn't matter what order you order you're going to be jonesing until you get it built. :)
Sounds about right. :laugh:
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
You may want to go minimal on the RAM ($100 gets you 8GB)
Minimal. :doh: I remember when 8MB was considered insanely over-powered.
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My last several home PCs have had AMD processors because at the time I bought/built them the AMD option seemed to me to offer the best bang/per buck. In addition there might have been a little bit of supporting the underdog involved too. I am considering building a new one which, and I know I've said this before, will probably be the last entirely new system I'll get. Looking at the performance/price figures I cannot see any alternative to an Intel CPU this time. Since I am an impoverished Senior Citizen I'm going to have to save very hard for several months, in any case, and live on bread and pullit while doing so. The question is whether to save until I have the whole cost or save a little, buy some part(s), save a little etc. Over the last few weeks I have been tracking the prices of the various components
- Case
- PSU
- Motherboard
- Processor
- Memory
- SSD
- HD
- Graphics Card
and some seem to be stable whilst others seem to be falling. So, if you were unfortunate enough to have to buy in instalments, in which order would you buy the components and why?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
I've seen your attempts at home builds[^]
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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I've seen your attempts at home builds[^]
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
Now that's just silly. These[^] are some of mine.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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My last several home PCs have had AMD processors because at the time I bought/built them the AMD option seemed to me to offer the best bang/per buck. In addition there might have been a little bit of supporting the underdog involved too. I am considering building a new one which, and I know I've said this before, will probably be the last entirely new system I'll get. Looking at the performance/price figures I cannot see any alternative to an Intel CPU this time. Since I am an impoverished Senior Citizen I'm going to have to save very hard for several months, in any case, and live on bread and pullit while doing so. The question is whether to save until I have the whole cost or save a little, buy some part(s), save a little etc. Over the last few weeks I have been tracking the prices of the various components
- Case
- PSU
- Motherboard
- Processor
- Memory
- SSD
- HD
- Graphics Card
and some seem to be stable whilst others seem to be falling. So, if you were unfortunate enough to have to buy in instalments, in which order would you buy the components and why?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Henry Minute wrote:
So, if you were unfortunate enough to have to buy in instalments,
Bugger that. I'd re-mortgage the house to the hilt, spend the cash on everything I've wanted to do but not had the money to be able to do it and leave the kids to pay it off! :laugh:
You do trust me, don't you?
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My last several home PCs have had AMD processors because at the time I bought/built them the AMD option seemed to me to offer the best bang/per buck. In addition there might have been a little bit of supporting the underdog involved too. I am considering building a new one which, and I know I've said this before, will probably be the last entirely new system I'll get. Looking at the performance/price figures I cannot see any alternative to an Intel CPU this time. Since I am an impoverished Senior Citizen I'm going to have to save very hard for several months, in any case, and live on bread and pullit while doing so. The question is whether to save until I have the whole cost or save a little, buy some part(s), save a little etc. Over the last few weeks I have been tracking the prices of the various components
- Case
- PSU
- Motherboard
- Processor
- Memory
- SSD
- HD
- Graphics Card
and some seem to be stable whilst others seem to be falling. So, if you were unfortunate enough to have to buy in instalments, in which order would you buy the components and why?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
If it were me: Save the money until you have almost all of it. Components have always fallen in price in the past, and unless we see a massive jump in inflation they should continue to do so. If you don't have the component doing something, just sitting on the shelf all of the risk is on your side. If you get delayed for any reason you've tied the money up in something that isn't doing you a damn bit of good. Then the component is even more obsolete. And taunting you. When you have enough, you buy it all at once or almost all. You get the best bang for your buck to do it all at once.
_____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug...
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If it were me: Save the money until you have almost all of it. Components have always fallen in price in the past, and unless we see a massive jump in inflation they should continue to do so. If you don't have the component doing something, just sitting on the shelf all of the risk is on your side. If you get delayed for any reason you've tied the money up in something that isn't doing you a damn bit of good. Then the component is even more obsolete. And taunting you. When you have enough, you buy it all at once or almost all. You get the best bang for your buck to do it all at once.
_____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug...
smcnulty2000 wrote:
If you don't have the component doing something, just sitting on the shelf all of the risk is on your side.
I agree with that in principle but I've already got enough for the Case, PSU and Motherboard and it is soooooooo difficult to resist.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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My last several home PCs have had AMD processors because at the time I bought/built them the AMD option seemed to me to offer the best bang/per buck. In addition there might have been a little bit of supporting the underdog involved too. I am considering building a new one which, and I know I've said this before, will probably be the last entirely new system I'll get. Looking at the performance/price figures I cannot see any alternative to an Intel CPU this time. Since I am an impoverished Senior Citizen I'm going to have to save very hard for several months, in any case, and live on bread and pullit while doing so. The question is whether to save until I have the whole cost or save a little, buy some part(s), save a little etc. Over the last few weeks I have been tracking the prices of the various components
- Case
- PSU
- Motherboard
- Processor
- Memory
- SSD
- HD
- Graphics Card
and some seem to be stable whilst others seem to be falling. So, if you were unfortunate enough to have to buy in instalments, in which order would you buy the components and why?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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EVERY, not just every, AMDed machine I've had has died within 2 years. No idea why. :laugh:
We were waiting, We were watching. Yes we knew it all along. You were wrong. My Mu[sic] My Films My Windows Programs, etc.
I have three ancient specimens still runnable, one 8 years old in use every day. Western Digital disks now, I can't keep one of them live for more than a week. Strange ain't it?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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- Case (these don't change much)
- PSU / Motherboard / Processor / Memory / HD (there can be tricky dependencies... buy them all together)
- Graphics Card (you can use onboard graphics for a while)
- SSD (the price on these can only go down the longer you wait, so get it last)
You may want to go minimal on the RAM ($100 gets you 8GB), as you can easily upgrade it later. I would buy the first 6 components together, because it will do you no good to have a partial system sitting around. The remaining two can always come later and be upgraded later as well.
Driven to the ARMs by x86.
Agree for the most part. My only contention would be the HD the price is steadily decreasing and is not dependent on the MOBO/CPU or memory. All new MOBO have connectors for SATA and is pretty well standardized.
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smcnulty2000 wrote:
If you don't have the component doing something, just sitting on the shelf all of the risk is on your side.
I agree with that in principle but I've already got enough for the Case, PSU and Motherboard and it is soooooooo difficult to resist.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
A 12 step program. Would you then be a 12 step programmer?
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My last several home PCs have had AMD processors because at the time I bought/built them the AMD option seemed to me to offer the best bang/per buck. In addition there might have been a little bit of supporting the underdog involved too. I am considering building a new one which, and I know I've said this before, will probably be the last entirely new system I'll get. Looking at the performance/price figures I cannot see any alternative to an Intel CPU this time. Since I am an impoverished Senior Citizen I'm going to have to save very hard for several months, in any case, and live on bread and pullit while doing so. The question is whether to save until I have the whole cost or save a little, buy some part(s), save a little etc. Over the last few weeks I have been tracking the prices of the various components
- Case
- PSU
- Motherboard
- Processor
- Memory
- SSD
- HD
- Graphics Card
and some seem to be stable whilst others seem to be falling. So, if you were unfortunate enough to have to buy in instalments, in which order would you buy the components and why?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Consider a plug? Maybe that will get that PC Monkey off your back. http://www.plugcomputer.org/[^] 'Course it's going to be very linux-y.
_____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug...
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Consider a plug? Maybe that will get that PC Monkey off your back. http://www.plugcomputer.org/[^] 'Course it's going to be very linux-y.
_____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug...
:eek:
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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My last several home PCs have had AMD processors because at the time I bought/built them the AMD option seemed to me to offer the best bang/per buck. In addition there might have been a little bit of supporting the underdog involved too. I am considering building a new one which, and I know I've said this before, will probably be the last entirely new system I'll get. Looking at the performance/price figures I cannot see any alternative to an Intel CPU this time. Since I am an impoverished Senior Citizen I'm going to have to save very hard for several months, in any case, and live on bread and pullit while doing so. The question is whether to save until I have the whole cost or save a little, buy some part(s), save a little etc. Over the last few weeks I have been tracking the prices of the various components
- Case
- PSU
- Motherboard
- Processor
- Memory
- SSD
- HD
- Graphics Card
and some seem to be stable whilst others seem to be falling. So, if you were unfortunate enough to have to buy in instalments, in which order would you buy the components and why?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
If you can effectively upgrade your existing machine piece by piece... MB/Processor/Memory first - replace existing but keep everything else It would save time to buy the case and PSU at this point, but if financial concerns outweigh convenience then this can wait. HD next - as this can be added simply added to the mix with or without removing the old disk(s) the rest of the components are a luxury if you don't intend to tinker much when you move to the new case, get a cheapo and install the components - ensuring you get a suitable CPU with it Graphics card - what's wrong with the one you have? If you gaming (or need dual monitor or HDMI output or something, then sure, splash out, but in my book this could go last on the pile SSD - gain a luxury, and constantly decreasing prices mean put it off as long as you can Better option if you are strapped for cash, is to save into a term deposit account specifically for the purpose - at maturity the prices will almost certainly have come down, and the forced saving means it won't have been spent - and it is SOOOOOO nice to be able to go to your local online store and just order all the bits, then spend a few hours putting it all together, and suffering that moment of terror the first time you turn it on and there's a pause before any lights come on!
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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:eek:
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Eeek, indeed. But it has such potential. Like shale oil. A siren's song. Didn't you know that CPUs are a gateway drug?
_____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug...
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If you can effectively upgrade your existing machine piece by piece... MB/Processor/Memory first - replace existing but keep everything else It would save time to buy the case and PSU at this point, but if financial concerns outweigh convenience then this can wait. HD next - as this can be added simply added to the mix with or without removing the old disk(s) the rest of the components are a luxury if you don't intend to tinker much when you move to the new case, get a cheapo and install the components - ensuring you get a suitable CPU with it Graphics card - what's wrong with the one you have? If you gaming (or need dual monitor or HDMI output or something, then sure, splash out, but in my book this could go last on the pile SSD - gain a luxury, and constantly decreasing prices mean put it off as long as you can Better option if you are strapped for cash, is to save into a term deposit account specifically for the purpose - at maturity the prices will almost certainly have come down, and the forced saving means it won't have been spent - and it is SOOOOOO nice to be able to go to your local online store and just order all the bits, then spend a few hours putting it all together, and suffering that moment of terror the first time you turn it on and there's a pause before any lights come on!
MVVM# - See how I did MVVM my way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
Unfortunately I need to keep my existing wreck and in any event the one to be replaced is so old that there is no possibility of a gradual upgrade. All of my cash gets transferred to interest bearing accounts as soon as it arrives in my current account, so that is already taken care of. All good ideas though.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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Consider a plug? Maybe that will get that PC Monkey off your back. http://www.plugcomputer.org/[^] 'Course it's going to be very linux-y.
_____________________________ Give a man a mug, he drinks for a day. Teach a man to mug...
I'm more interested in these: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/[^]
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My last several home PCs have had AMD processors because at the time I bought/built them the AMD option seemed to me to offer the best bang/per buck. In addition there might have been a little bit of supporting the underdog involved too. I am considering building a new one which, and I know I've said this before, will probably be the last entirely new system I'll get. Looking at the performance/price figures I cannot see any alternative to an Intel CPU this time. Since I am an impoverished Senior Citizen I'm going to have to save very hard for several months, in any case, and live on bread and pullit while doing so. The question is whether to save until I have the whole cost or save a little, buy some part(s), save a little etc. Over the last few weeks I have been tracking the prices of the various components
- Case
- PSU
- Motherboard
- Processor
- Memory
- SSD
- HD
- Graphics Card
and some seem to be stable whilst others seem to be falling. So, if you were unfortunate enough to have to buy in instalments, in which order would you buy the components and why?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
They're all going to be obsolete by the time they arrive at your house, even if you buy them all at once, so order isn't too important. The only critical purchase is the motherboard/CPU/RAM combination; these I would buy as a matched set. If necessary, buy only the minimum RAM you need, as the risk of a significant change in the near future is fairly small. The rest are commodities, and rely on interfaces that don't change rapidly. If I was doing it this way, I'd start with a case and PSU, then assemble them as soon as they arrive. Next I'd grab the HD(s) and install them. With a little cheating by grounding (earthing) one pin on the main PSU connector you may be able to verify that the HDs spin up and all the case fans work. The following purchase would be the MB/CPU/RAM combination, as they can only be tested together, and some do get shipped DOA. It's best to find that out immediately, as some retailers have limits on how long you can claim a replacement. This only works, of course, if the MB has some onboard video capability, as you generally can't fire up a system with no video with any meaningful results. If you plan to get a really first-class video card, but can't afford the whole group at once, grab a cheap one at the local store for testing purposes. As a final step, I'd get the SSD and consider expanding the RAM, just to round things out nicely. Have fun with it, Henry! I absolutely love the new one I recently built - in installments - and can't foresee any need to upgrade again in my lifetime. Unrealistic, of course, as Microsoft will most certainly release a version of Windows that requires 1TB of hard drive space to install, and 64GB of RAM to load, but I'll wait until then to worry about it.
Will Rogers never met me.
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My last several home PCs have had AMD processors because at the time I bought/built them the AMD option seemed to me to offer the best bang/per buck. In addition there might have been a little bit of supporting the underdog involved too. I am considering building a new one which, and I know I've said this before, will probably be the last entirely new system I'll get. Looking at the performance/price figures I cannot see any alternative to an Intel CPU this time. Since I am an impoverished Senior Citizen I'm going to have to save very hard for several months, in any case, and live on bread and pullit while doing so. The question is whether to save until I have the whole cost or save a little, buy some part(s), save a little etc. Over the last few weeks I have been tracking the prices of the various components
- Case
- PSU
- Motherboard
- Processor
- Memory
- SSD
- HD
- Graphics Card
and some seem to be stable whilst others seem to be falling. So, if you were unfortunate enough to have to buy in instalments, in which order would you buy the components and why?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Hi Henry, So, what can you re-use from your current system ... case ? power-supply ? Personally, I'd delay on the SSD until cost-per-gig comes down a bit more. And, what are your real needs for graphic performance: if you are a gamer, or you need to drive a high-end monitor with HD video, I'd guess you'd want more than a 'vanilla' video-card. best, Bill
"Reason is the natural order of truth; but imagination is the organ of meaning." C.S. Lewis
