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    Christian Graus
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    The death spiral of the USD has been costing me personally for two years now. Sadly my wage has not fallen far enough to get me any sort of rebate on the new 'carbon tax', meaning I will be worse off again. At least I am one of the 10% of people who they say will be impacted. Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions, and yet it will do this despite 90% of people being unaffected ( and therefore having no reason to change their carbon usage ). As cows produce more CO2 than cars, why are farmers not taxed ( not that I want them to be, it's an example of the hypocrisy and stupidity of the carbon tax idea ).

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      The death spiral of the USD has been costing me personally for two years now. Sadly my wage has not fallen far enough to get me any sort of rebate on the new 'carbon tax', meaning I will be worse off again. At least I am one of the 10% of people who they say will be impacted. Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions, and yet it will do this despite 90% of people being unaffected ( and therefore having no reason to change their carbon usage ). As cows produce more CO2 than cars, why are farmers not taxed ( not that I want them to be, it's an example of the hypocrisy and stupidity of the carbon tax idea ).

      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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      Dr Walt Fair PE
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      Don't sweat the small stuff. Just hope they don't try to take all the carbon out of you.

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        The death spiral of the USD has been costing me personally for two years now. Sadly my wage has not fallen far enough to get me any sort of rebate on the new 'carbon tax', meaning I will be worse off again. At least I am one of the 10% of people who they say will be impacted. Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions, and yet it will do this despite 90% of people being unaffected ( and therefore having no reason to change their carbon usage ). As cows produce more CO2 than cars, why are farmers not taxed ( not that I want them to be, it's an example of the hypocrisy and stupidity of the carbon tax idea ).

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        Christian Graus wrote:

        Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions

        Because the tax with will be paid to the government, I highly suspect the money will end up paying for more oil anyway. People already pay a tax for petrol/diesel etc, so I think this carbon tax is just a second fuel tax but under a fancy name to give it the impression of "helping the environment".


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          Christian Graus wrote:

          Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions

          Because the tax with will be paid to the government, I highly suspect the money will end up paying for more oil anyway. People already pay a tax for petrol/diesel etc, so I think this carbon tax is just a second fuel tax but under a fancy name to give it the impression of "helping the environment".


          See if you can crack this: b749f6c269a746243debc6488046e33f
          So far, no one seems to have cracked this!

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          Christian Graus
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          Exactly - it's a brilliant con, weak minded people welcome a new tax and expect the government to just take their money, and save the world with it.

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            The death spiral of the USD has been costing me personally for two years now. Sadly my wage has not fallen far enough to get me any sort of rebate on the new 'carbon tax', meaning I will be worse off again. At least I am one of the 10% of people who they say will be impacted. Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions, and yet it will do this despite 90% of people being unaffected ( and therefore having no reason to change their carbon usage ). As cows produce more CO2 than cars, why are farmers not taxed ( not that I want them to be, it's an example of the hypocrisy and stupidity of the carbon tax idea ).

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            I have only read a (very brief) précis of the Carbon Tax proposals but had gotten the impression that they were only going after large carbon emitters. Are they after the little chap too?

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              I have only read a (very brief) précis of the Carbon Tax proposals but had gotten the impression that they were only going after large carbon emitters. Are they after the little chap too?

              Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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              Christian Graus
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              Well, they expect a lot of costs of living to increase, so they are giving people tax cuts to pay for it, but only for lower income earners.

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                Well, they expect a lot of costs of living to increase, so they are giving people tax cuts to pay for it, but only for lower income earners.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                Got it.

                Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.

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                  The death spiral of the USD has been costing me personally for two years now. Sadly my wage has not fallen far enough to get me any sort of rebate on the new 'carbon tax', meaning I will be worse off again. At least I am one of the 10% of people who they say will be impacted. Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions, and yet it will do this despite 90% of people being unaffected ( and therefore having no reason to change their carbon usage ). As cows produce more CO2 than cars, why are farmers not taxed ( not that I want them to be, it's an example of the hypocrisy and stupidity of the carbon tax idea ).

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                  Surely the idea (and i don't agree with it, just pointing out the idea) is that carbon emitters will be taxed, thus giving them a financial reason to reduce carbon emissions and therefore reduce or remove the tax - meanwhile giving the government extra cash to compensate "us" for the inevitable rise in prices due to the companies paying the tax.

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                    Surely the idea (and i don't agree with it, just pointing out the idea) is that carbon emitters will be taxed, thus giving them a financial reason to reduce carbon emissions and therefore reduce or remove the tax - meanwhile giving the government extra cash to compensate "us" for the inevitable rise in prices due to the companies paying the tax.

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                    Christian Graus
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                    The main issue really is that if the end user gets a rebate, why would they control their usage ? How can they say what the cost of limiting emissions is, a cost we will also bear ? My reading leads me to believe that the most a carbon tax will do is move the date that we get to any particular PPM by a few months.

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      The death spiral of the USD has been costing me personally for two years now. Sadly my wage has not fallen far enough to get me any sort of rebate on the new 'carbon tax', meaning I will be worse off again. At least I am one of the 10% of people who they say will be impacted. Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions, and yet it will do this despite 90% of people being unaffected ( and therefore having no reason to change their carbon usage ). As cows produce more CO2 than cars, why are farmers not taxed ( not that I want them to be, it's an example of the hypocrisy and stupidity of the carbon tax idea ).

                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                      because its a massive wealth redistribution project that has no basis in science. i.e. it will not make a jot of difference to any planetary climate issues. But, it gets a load more taxpayers on the public teet and that helps ensure votes. You sir are evil - you earn too much money and some of that needs to be handed out to others..who err made different decisions to you, have lesser abilities to you, dont work as hard as you, are not as lucky as you...in other words...well they're poorer than you and they shouldnt be because ermmmm ahhhh its not fair. Bryce

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                        because its a massive wealth redistribution project that has no basis in science. i.e. it will not make a jot of difference to any planetary climate issues. But, it gets a load more taxpayers on the public teet and that helps ensure votes. You sir are evil - you earn too much money and some of that needs to be handed out to others..who err made different decisions to you, have lesser abilities to you, dont work as hard as you, are not as lucky as you...in other words...well they're poorer than you and they shouldnt be because ermmmm ahhhh its not fair. Bryce

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                        Christian Graus
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                        bryce wrote:

                        it will not make a jot of difference to any planetary climate issues.

                        Of course not. The best estimates I've read is that it will move when we get to a certain PPM by perhaps 6 months. In other words, no-one is claiming it will change the end result.

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                        But, it gets a load more taxpayers on the public teet and that helps ensure votes.

                        Yes, it's all about increasing the cost of living, then adding rebates, so people are controlled by government.

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                        You sir are evil - you earn too much money and some of that needs to be handed out to others.

                        Precisely - how dare I work hard, or, worse, succeed at it ? I should know everyone is the same, we all have the same abilities and skills, and those earning less have been unfairly held back by the people with money, for their own nefarious ends.

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                          bryce wrote:

                          it will not make a jot of difference to any planetary climate issues.

                          Of course not. The best estimates I've read is that it will move when we get to a certain PPM by perhaps 6 months. In other words, no-one is claiming it will change the end result.

                          bryce wrote:

                          But, it gets a load more taxpayers on the public teet and that helps ensure votes.

                          Yes, it's all about increasing the cost of living, then adding rebates, so people are controlled by government.

                          bryce wrote:

                          You sir are evil - you earn too much money and some of that needs to be handed out to others.

                          Precisely - how dare I work hard, or, worse, succeed at it ? I should know everyone is the same, we all have the same abilities and skills, and those earning less have been unfairly held back by the people with money, for their own nefarious ends.

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                          you'll be voting Green then next election? Bryce

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                            you'll be voting Green then next election? Bryce

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                            Christian Graus
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                            ROTFL - yeah, I've been voting Green for years, can't you tell ? I think any one who votes for Green, in Tasmania at least, after the last election and how they've behaved in office, should be found mentally incompetent.

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                              ROTFL - yeah, I've been voting Green for years, can't you tell ? I think any one who votes for Green, in Tasmania at least, after the last election and how they've behaved in office, should be found mentally incompetent.

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                              But prime minister Brown is doing a wonderful job running the country and setting the agenda Bryce

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                                But prime minister Brown is doing a wonderful job running the country and setting the agenda Bryce

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                                Christian Graus
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                                ROTFL !!! In Tassie, the Greens threatened a vote of no confidence in Labor if they extended a loan to a Gunns business, which is basically bound to be a gift. They put it through, and, not a peep. The Greens are all show and no go.

                                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                  The death spiral of the USD has been costing me personally for two years now. Sadly my wage has not fallen far enough to get me any sort of rebate on the new 'carbon tax', meaning I will be worse off again. At least I am one of the 10% of people who they say will be impacted. Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions, and yet it will do this despite 90% of people being unaffected ( and therefore having no reason to change their carbon usage ). As cows produce more CO2 than cars, why are farmers not taxed ( not that I want them to be, it's an example of the hypocrisy and stupidity of the carbon tax idea ).

                                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                  Lost User
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                                  We are being shafted. As Bob Brown said on telly last night it is necessary for government to take more money from the population so that they can distribute it correctly. My spending is obviously incorrect.

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                                    We are being shafted. As Bob Brown said on telly last night it is necessary for government to take more money from the population so that they can distribute it correctly. My spending is obviously incorrect.

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                                    Christian Graus
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                                    ROTFL - he said that ? The Libs are saying they'll get rid of it, so I hope they stick to their guns.

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                                      The death spiral of the USD has been costing me personally for two years now. Sadly my wage has not fallen far enough to get me any sort of rebate on the new 'carbon tax', meaning I will be worse off again. At least I am one of the 10% of people who they say will be impacted. Apparently a carbon tax will save the world and lower emissions, and yet it will do this despite 90% of people being unaffected ( and therefore having no reason to change their carbon usage ). As cows produce more CO2 than cars, why are farmers not taxed ( not that I want them to be, it's an example of the hypocrisy and stupidity of the carbon tax idea ).

                                      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                      wizardzz
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                                      I have a metal sign in my bathroom that reads: "The cost of living keeps rising, yet it remains popular" I feel you though, it's only a way to get money out of you. Using a tax to punish a business or individual with the guise of saving the world is bologna.

                                      "I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. " — Hunter S. Thompson

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                                        Exactly - it's a brilliant con, weak minded people welcome a new tax and expect the government to just take their money, and save the world with it.

                                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                        Christian Graus wrote:

                                        weak minded people

                                        Which is why education is almost always the first to be cut. Who in the government wants educated taxpayers?

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                                          Christian Graus wrote:

                                          weak minded people

                                          Which is why education is almost always the first to be cut. Who in the government wants educated taxpayers?

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                                          Educated or not, if the government wants a new tax, it will happen. Only when millions band together, spend/waste millions of dollars in refutarory claims, does the government actually back down from something. More often, they just create a diversion, wrap the "law" up in some other proposal, and it ends up getting passed anyway.

                                          "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                                          "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                                          "Some people are making such thorough preparation for rainy days that they aren't enjoying today's sunshine." - William Feather

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