Speed Limits (U.S.) [modified]
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Last time I looked, 35 did not equal 55. I think if you can't drive at a reasonable speed then you should not be allowed to drive. If you are over the age of 65 then you should have to prove that you can drive at a reasonable speed and not piss off everyone else on the road by causing mayhem and havoc because you can't tell if the light is red or if it is meteor headed straight for your ass. Drive with purpose. The only acceptable reason why you should not be driving the posted speed limit is if you are dying or you just shat your pants.
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modified on Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:22 PM
I think States should eliminate speed limits in favor of posted speeds with allowed variance and enact a minimum acceleration standard for roads. Most of the Interstates in the U.S. outside of major cities are very straight and in excellent condition easily supporting triple digit speeds. But even now with an almost universal "limit" of 70mph people insist on driving in the passing lane at 45mph. If you can get a ticket for going 85pmh then you should get the same ticket for going 55mph. And to be honest, going 45mph should be jail-able with loss of license just like 95. Some persons should not be allowed on some roads. If 45mph is your maximum safe speed then you should be on a highway not an Interstate. Traffic enforcement must also not be about revenue. I am literally sickened when I hear local politicians talk about traffic enforcement and revenue as related subjects. Talk about a conflict of interest.
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Last time I looked, 35 did not equal 55. I think if you can't drive at a reasonable speed then you should not be allowed to drive. If you are over the age of 65 then you should have to prove that you can drive at a reasonable speed and not piss off everyone else on the road by causing mayhem and havoc because you can't tell if the light is red or if it is meteor headed straight for your ass. Drive with purpose. The only acceptable reason why you should not be driving the posted speed limit is if you are dying or you just shat your pants.
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modified on Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:22 PM
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Sitalkes wrote:
I gather you don't plan to live that long
au contraire Pierre. I do plan on living that long. ;)
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Last time I looked, 35 did not equal 55. I think if you can't drive at a reasonable speed then you should not be allowed to drive. If you are over the age of 65 then you should have to prove that you can drive at a reasonable speed and not piss off everyone else on the road by causing mayhem and havoc because you can't tell if the light is red or if it is meteor headed straight for your ass. Drive with purpose. The only acceptable reason why you should not be driving the posted speed limit is if you are dying or you just shat your pants.
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modified on Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:22 PM
I truly enjoy the limitless motorways in Germany... It is a pity that I can't be there more often... deintoxicate yourself driving at your pleasure is a wonderful thing... Last time 250kmh and it was because the car was not capable to run at more speed due to electronic limitations! oh... and there were some cars passing me without much effort... :omg: PS: And IMHO the limits there have much more sense than the ones we have here...
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Last time I looked, 35 did not equal 55. I think if you can't drive at a reasonable speed then you should not be allowed to drive. If you are over the age of 65 then you should have to prove that you can drive at a reasonable speed and not piss off everyone else on the road by causing mayhem and havoc because you can't tell if the light is red or if it is meteor headed straight for your ass. Drive with purpose. The only acceptable reason why you should not be driving the posted speed limit is if you are dying or you just shat your pants.
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modified on Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:22 PM
I'll admit a lot of elderly people should be screened but they are not the only ones. A woman with a cell phone going 35 cuts you off, NO turn signals and doesn't even look before changing lanes but got that GD phone jammed to her ear. This happens to me frequently!
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I think he would be referring to a very common problem here in the US. A common scenario would be: A 4 lane highway(as in two lanes each direction) with a speed of 65 mph, straight road, broad daylight,light traffic, no reason to go slow.. Suddenly in the left lane(which is considered the fast lane here, in some states you can get a ticket for driving in this lane if you are not passing somebody) there will be some old geezer in a 80,000 dollar car that has 400 horsepower, and he/she is doing 35 mph. This is actually a danger as there are PLENTY of people doing the 65(or higher)who are not paying proper attention that will suddenly wonder where their new hood ornament has come from. or go around that curve you mentioned and there is a slow moving roadblock... you get the picture.
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gavindon wrote:
he/she is doing 35 mph. This is actually a danger as there are PLENTY of people doing the 65(or higher)who are not paying proper attention
And you maintain that it is the 35mpher that is the danger. You are obviously delusional. Posted speeds, in all countries that I am aware of, indicate the maximum speed. It is those driving "without paying proper attention" that are the danger. Indeed, in the UK, there is a motoring offence of driving without due care and attention to cover such lunacies. The slower driver may, on occasion, cause an inconvenience but in the circumstances that you describe never a danger. The only time that could ever possibly be true would be if they were doing 35 in a zone where the minimum speed limit is 55 or higher and I ain't seen too many of them.
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Last time I looked, 35 did not equal 55. I think if you can't drive at a reasonable speed then you should not be allowed to drive. If you are over the age of 65 then you should have to prove that you can drive at a reasonable speed and not piss off everyone else on the road by causing mayhem and havoc because you can't tell if the light is red or if it is meteor headed straight for your ass. Drive with purpose. The only acceptable reason why you should not be driving the posted speed limit is if you are dying or you just shat your pants.
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modified on Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:22 PM
New Hampshire had minimum speed "limits" posted on most it's interstates (45 MPH). I never heard of anyone getting pulled over for an under limit, but then again, you didn't see it nearly as frequently as elsewhere. On the other end of the spectrum (and country), California had a section of road where the car speed limit was 55, and the truck speed limit was 35. This reeked havoc during commute hours as any time spent in the right lane risked getting stuck behind a truck and then trying to get back into the left lane which would then be going 20+mph faster than you...
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gavindon wrote:
he/she is doing 35 mph. This is actually a danger as there are PLENTY of people doing the 65(or higher)who are not paying proper attention
And you maintain that it is the 35mpher that is the danger. You are obviously delusional. Posted speeds, in all countries that I am aware of, indicate the maximum speed. It is those driving "without paying proper attention" that are the danger. Indeed, in the UK, there is a motoring offence of driving without due care and attention to cover such lunacies. The slower driver may, on occasion, cause an inconvenience but in the circumstances that you describe never a danger. The only time that could ever possibly be true would be if they were doing 35 in a zone where the minimum speed limit is 55 or higher and I ain't seen too many of them.
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Actually there is a minimum speed limit on most highways over here. usually 45, maybe higher. As I said, there are also laws in many states against riding in the left lane if you are a slowmover. As far as a danger yes the slowmovers DO cause problems. Take away the light traffic and make it bumper to bumper heading into the city. now the person doing 35 is causing huge backups for sometimes miles back down the highway, and yes I have clock up to 5 miles of backup in these situations. This will inevitably cause a wreck somewhere.
Henry Minute wrote:
The slower driver may, on occasion, cause an inconvenience but in the circumstances that you describe never a danger
in the EXACT circumstance I posted, maybe. But that was a simplified example for exactly that, an example. If you think they are no danger in normal traffic when they are driving 20 or 30 miles an hour under the limits, you my friend are the one being delusional.
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gavindon wrote:
he/she is doing 35 mph. This is actually a danger as there are PLENTY of people doing the 65(or higher)who are not paying proper attention
And you maintain that it is the 35mpher that is the danger. You are obviously delusional. Posted speeds, in all countries that I am aware of, indicate the maximum speed. It is those driving "without paying proper attention" that are the danger. Indeed, in the UK, there is a motoring offence of driving without due care and attention to cover such lunacies. The slower driver may, on occasion, cause an inconvenience but in the circumstances that you describe never a danger. The only time that could ever possibly be true would be if they were doing 35 in a zone where the minimum speed limit is 55 or higher and I ain't seen too many of them.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Henry Minute wrote:
And you maintain that it is the 35mpher that is the danger.
Yes. Imagine you have been driving for an hour or so, and everyone is driving 70mph. You are nice and comfortable at that speed. You are in the left lane, when suddenly the car in front of you switches to the right lane rather quickly, and much to your surprise, it is because the car in front of them is doing roughly half your speed. Well, since you are now approaching this car rather quickly, you look to get into the right lane as well, only to see that there is a car next to you. At this point you begin to brake, but due to the extreme difference in speed there are really only two outcomes. You slow down enough so as to not hit the car in front, but get rear ended in the process because the car behind you couldn't brake in time, OR you don't slow down enough and you rear end the person in front of you.
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Last time I looked, 35 did not equal 55. I think if you can't drive at a reasonable speed then you should not be allowed to drive. If you are over the age of 65 then you should have to prove that you can drive at a reasonable speed and not piss off everyone else on the road by causing mayhem and havoc because you can't tell if the light is red or if it is meteor headed straight for your ass. Drive with purpose. The only acceptable reason why you should not be driving the posted speed limit is if you are dying or you just shat your pants.
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My experience of Driving in the States is primarily from Florida, with a bit from Vegas to LA and up the coast to San Francisco. But mainly Florida. The land of the newly weds and nearly deads. So I know a thing or do about sharing the roads with elderly drivers, and frankly they were not the biggest problem I faced. When we got rear ended "twice" it wasn't by elderly drivers. It was was by young drivers who just weren't watching where they were going. Also, the thing that I found most dangerous wasn't drivers going too slow, or even drivers going too fast, but rather drivers being too erratic. I.e. "I'm in the left lane, oh, there's my exit, I think I'll just barrel across three lanes of highway to go where I want to be." 35 in a 55 zone is annoying as hell, but I'd rather have more of those people on the road and a few less of the morons, than the other way around. All that said, next time I'm behind the 35mph slow poke, I'll be cursing up a storm. -Richard
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Last time I looked, 35 did not equal 55. I think if you can't drive at a reasonable speed then you should not be allowed to drive. If you are over the age of 65 then you should have to prove that you can drive at a reasonable speed and not piss off everyone else on the road by causing mayhem and havoc because you can't tell if the light is red or if it is meteor headed straight for your ass. Drive with purpose. The only acceptable reason why you should not be driving the posted speed limit is if you are dying or you just shat your pants.
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modified on Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:22 PM
That's a bit rich coming from an American: amongst the worst drivers I've ever encountered with the easiest road test and the oldest, stupidest drivers. That doesn't count the people who stick in the fast lane and will not move over, the others who bob and weave, the tailgaters, the girls in SUVs at lights on their phone who just sit there or the morons who don't understand that a stop sign means stop, not go! There is a difference between fast driving and driving fast. Wow: that feels better tho I suspect I've just painted a large target on my back for when I next return! :)
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That's a bit rich coming from an American: amongst the worst drivers I've ever encountered with the easiest road test and the oldest, stupidest drivers. That doesn't count the people who stick in the fast lane and will not move over, the others who bob and weave, the tailgaters, the girls in SUVs at lights on their phone who just sit there or the morons who don't understand that a stop sign means stop, not go! There is a difference between fast driving and driving fast. Wow: that feels better tho I suspect I've just painted a large target on my back for when I next return! :)
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digital man wrote:
American: amongst the worst drivers
How many Asians have you seen drive? That is one stereotype that is generally pretty true.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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I'll admit a lot of elderly people should be screened but they are not the only ones. A woman with a cell phone going 35 cuts you off, NO turn signals and doesn't even look before changing lanes but got that GD phone jammed to her ear. This happens to me frequently!
Mike Hankey wrote:
but they are not the only ones.
100% agree.
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gavindon wrote:
he/she is doing 35 mph. This is actually a danger as there are PLENTY of people doing the 65(or higher)who are not paying proper attention
And you maintain that it is the 35mpher that is the danger. You are obviously delusional. Posted speeds, in all countries that I am aware of, indicate the maximum speed. It is those driving "without paying proper attention" that are the danger. Indeed, in the UK, there is a motoring offence of driving without due care and attention to cover such lunacies. The slower driver may, on occasion, cause an inconvenience but in the circumstances that you describe never a danger. The only time that could ever possibly be true would be if they were doing 35 in a zone where the minimum speed limit is 55 or higher and I ain't seen too many of them.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Henry Minute wrote:
And you maintain that it is the 35mpher that is the danger.
You are obviously delusional.He is not delusional Henry. In the U.S. you drive the speed of traffic. You can get a ticket for not driving the speed of traffic. If the posted speed limit is 65 and the speed of traffic is 70 then you drive 70 not 60. The speed of traffic is usually the same as the posted speed limit or 5-10 MPH faster. [edit] we do have a slow lane on most highways and this allows vehicles pulling trailers and other slow moving vehicles to travel. However, if you are going too slow against the speed of traffic then John Law will pull you over and ticket you.
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New Hampshire had minimum speed "limits" posted on most it's interstates (45 MPH). I never heard of anyone getting pulled over for an under limit, but then again, you didn't see it nearly as frequently as elsewhere. On the other end of the spectrum (and country), California had a section of road where the car speed limit was 55, and the truck speed limit was 35. This reeked havoc during commute hours as any time spent in the right lane risked getting stuck behind a truck and then trying to get back into the left lane which would then be going 20+mph faster than you...
Jeremy Hutchinson wrote:
I never heard of anyone getting pulled over for an under limit
This happened a lot when I lived in California but have not seen it much here on the East Coast (NY).
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That's a bit rich coming from an American: amongst the worst drivers I've ever encountered with the easiest road test and the oldest, stupidest drivers. That doesn't count the people who stick in the fast lane and will not move over, the others who bob and weave, the tailgaters, the girls in SUVs at lights on their phone who just sit there or the morons who don't understand that a stop sign means stop, not go! There is a difference between fast driving and driving fast. Wow: that feels better tho I suspect I've just painted a large target on my back for when I next return! :)
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I think the things you mentioned are EXACTLY what he is bitching about. Not all of us Americans drive like you just describe. However a large enough portion do and the rest of us get just as pissed off as you obviously do.
digital man wrote:
That doesn't count the people who stick in the fast lane
this one in particular is the one that I think started the whole thing.
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Jeremy Hutchinson wrote:
I never heard of anyone getting pulled over for an under limit
This happened a lot when I lived in California but have not seen it much here on the East Coast (NY).
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down here its generally only when your driving slow causes a wreck, then you get the ticket.
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. Be careful which toes you step on today, they might be connected to the foot that kicks your butt tomorrow.
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That's a bit rich coming from an American: amongst the worst drivers I've ever encountered with the easiest road test and the oldest, stupidest drivers. That doesn't count the people who stick in the fast lane and will not move over, the others who bob and weave, the tailgaters, the girls in SUVs at lights on their phone who just sit there or the morons who don't understand that a stop sign means stop, not go! There is a difference between fast driving and driving fast. Wow: that feels better tho I suspect I've just painted a large target on my back for when I next return! :)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
Your entitled to your opinion. Since I have never been to Europe or the UK I really can't talk shit about your small cars and small ... :-D
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Jeremy Hutchinson wrote:
I never heard of anyone getting pulled over for an under limit
This happened a lot when I lived in California but have not seen it much here on the East Coast (NY).
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Last time I looked, 35 did not equal 55. I think if you can't drive at a reasonable speed then you should not be allowed to drive. If you are over the age of 65 then you should have to prove that you can drive at a reasonable speed and not piss off everyone else on the road by causing mayhem and havoc because you can't tell if the light is red or if it is meteor headed straight for your ass. Drive with purpose. The only acceptable reason why you should not be driving the posted speed limit is if you are dying or you just shat your pants.
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modified on Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:22 PM
What they need is a MINIMUM speed limit posted along with the maximum.
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