Worst excuse for not using source control
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That justifies why they hired an expert like you. Now you have a great opportunity to start changing their development process.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
That justifies why they hired an expert like you. Now you have a great opportunity to start changing their development process.
Yeah, he will save them all! :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
That justifies why they hired an expert like you. Now you have a great opportunity to start changing their development process.
Yeah, he will save them all! :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
Are you addicted to CP? If so, check this out: The Code Project Forum Analyzer : Find out how much of a life you don't have! My technology blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
My super-hero cape will need a good cleaning. How do you remove those ugly VB stains anyway?
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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My super-hero cape will need a good cleaning. How do you remove those ugly VB stains anyway?
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Sorry, but those are quite permanent. Think of them as stamps on your passport.
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Started at a new client yesterday and of course one of the first things was to look at their existing code. It is housed on a network file share, that also happens to be the production web application. First thing I asked was why are you not using source control. "Because it doesn't allow us to work together." and "We've tried and can't figure out how to make it work" Oh this is going to be a fun couple of weeks
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Host it your self. When I get clients on the source control bandwagon and they corrupt their archive and lose the back-ups it is somehow my fault.
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Started at a new client yesterday and of course one of the first things was to look at their existing code. It is housed on a network file share, that also happens to be the production web application. First thing I asked was why are you not using source control. "Because it doesn't allow us to work together." and "We've tried and can't figure out how to make it work" Oh this is going to be a fun couple of weeks
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Make them pay in advance.
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How about this, only a production database, no dev instance. They never saw the need to have one, just don't make any changes while debugging.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Mark Nischalke wrote:
How about this, only a production database, no dev instance.
We have a dev instance that no one, except me, uses. They debug on production because the dev machine is a virtual machine and production is a real machine. They claim that there are always problems going from dev to production, a problem I have never encountered with my code. Then again, I code in C# for ASP.NET while they are coding in ColdFusion, on a Linux machine, and trying to generate ASP.NET pages. I can see why they are having problems, but they refuse to listen to me. :doh:
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Sorry, but those are quite permanent. Think of them as stamps on your passport.
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Software Zen:
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How about this, only a production database, no dev instance. They never saw the need to have one, just don't make any changes while debugging.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
I gave up on suggesting test instances and live instances....
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How about this, only a production database, no dev instance. They never saw the need to have one, just don't make any changes while debugging.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
You seem to be working for a company run by sophomores :-D
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
If so, the code may have been delivered late, overbudget and not to specification but at least they would have used source control.
Hey, we Indians need our BMWs and Audis too :-)
Regards, Nish
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:laugh:
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
How about this, only a production database, no dev instance.
We have a dev instance that no one, except me, uses. They debug on production because the dev machine is a virtual machine and production is a real machine. They claim that there are always problems going from dev to production, a problem I have never encountered with my code. Then again, I code in C# for ASP.NET while they are coding in ColdFusion, on a Linux machine, and trying to generate ASP.NET pages. I can see why they are having problems, but they refuse to listen to me. :doh:
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes>> but they refuse to listen to me Been there, done that. With you being the "new kid on the block", you've got your work cutout for you to make the case for implementing a development/testing environment, separate from production. Please keep us updated how this effort unfolds, or folds up :-D
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How about this, only a production database, no dev instance. They never saw the need to have one, just don't make any changes while debugging.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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Started at a new client yesterday and of course one of the first things was to look at their existing code. It is housed on a network file share, that also happens to be the production web application. First thing I asked was why are you not using source control. "Because it doesn't allow us to work together." and "We've tried and can't figure out how to make it work" Oh this is going to be a fun couple of weeks
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Source control is lame. I prefer to have 32 copies, one for each of the last 32 days of work. If I goof up, I simply remember which day I made the change. This alleviates the necessity to comment code. When there are changes to the changed code (e.g, changed on day 14 and also on days 17, 22 and 29), then I merely 'roll' forward as I resolve the issue. No prob. So, the best reason for NOT using source control: technology changes so fast that if it's older than 32 days it's outdated. :laugh: ;P Other than that, the only challenge I have is finding work. ;P :laugh:
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
How about this, only a production database, no dev instance.
We have a dev instance that no one, except me, uses. They debug on production because the dev machine is a virtual machine and production is a real machine. They claim that there are always problems going from dev to production, a problem I have never encountered with my code. Then again, I code in C# for ASP.NET while they are coding in ColdFusion, on a Linux machine, and trying to generate ASP.NET pages. I can see why they are having problems, but they refuse to listen to me. :doh:
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes"No problem going from dev to production?" You've never used SharePoint!!!!! But from what I read, this company is in a VERY bad situation.
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Started at a new client yesterday and of course one of the first things was to look at their existing code. It is housed on a network file share, that also happens to be the production web application. First thing I asked was why are you not using source control. "Because it doesn't allow us to work together." and "We've tried and can't figure out how to make it work" Oh this is going to be a fun couple of weeks
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
What about this two? - I don't like this source control because isn't friendly to use, and I have had problems with it in past. - I don't know how to use source control, cause always I've working alone in every project. Amazing, don't you? :laugh:
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Started at a new client yesterday and of course one of the first things was to look at their existing code. It is housed on a network file share, that also happens to be the production web application. First thing I asked was why are you not using source control. "Because it doesn't allow us to work together." and "We've tried and can't figure out how to make it work" Oh this is going to be a fun couple of weeks
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
I have worked at that company as well. I started using source control and they could not understand how multiple people can work one project at the same time.
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
How about this, only a production database, no dev instance.
We have a dev instance that no one, except me, uses. They debug on production because the dev machine is a virtual machine and production is a real machine. They claim that there are always problems going from dev to production, a problem I have never encountered with my code. Then again, I code in C# for ASP.NET while they are coding in ColdFusion, on a Linux machine, and trying to generate ASP.NET pages. I can see why they are having problems, but they refuse to listen to me. :doh:
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote:
coding in ColdFusion, on a Linux machine, and trying to generate ASP.NET pages
Isn't that the same as creating an english language novel by writing in French then using babelfish to translate it to Greek and then to English? Or, to quote babelfish: "This n'? he isn't same that creating a novel d'? English from l'? registration français then that uses babelfish him they translate Grec and then in l'? English?"
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That justifies why they hired an expert like you. Now you have a great opportunity to start changing their development process.
What I find hilarious is that they are happy to part with our salary, they are in awe of our qualifications and skille BUT- They want to argue when we tell them what needs to happen! :D Aren't people a funny bunch? :)
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JimmyRopes wrote:
coding in ColdFusion, on a Linux machine, and trying to generate ASP.NET pages
Isn't that the same as creating an english language novel by writing in French then using babelfish to translate it to Greek and then to English? Or, to quote babelfish: "This n'? he isn't same that creating a novel d'? English from l'? registration français then that uses babelfish him they translate Grec and then in l'? English?"
TRK3 wrote:
Isn't that the same as creating an english language novel by writing in French then using babelfish to translate it to Greek and then to English?
That is what I think also. :doh:
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Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
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Started at a new client yesterday and of course one of the first things was to look at their existing code. It is housed on a network file share, that also happens to be the production web application. First thing I asked was why are you not using source control. "Because it doesn't allow us to work together." and "We've tried and can't figure out how to make it work" Oh this is going to be a fun couple of weeks
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Try This one. One day I was at a new clinets site and sat down to start to look at their data and see how everything was setup. I couldn't get direct access to their database (for reasons too lengthy to go into here) and so I was going to restore a copy of teh DB to my computer as my guide. I sat down and while I started up my laptop the client asked if there was anything I needed and I replied "I need a backup please". The client glarred at me in an uncertain manner for a few seconds and then took a few steps back and said "do you need anything else". Now the guy at thge site was a little old and probably hard of hearing but when I restated I need a backup of his data he was still confused and so I'm pretty sure he heard me correctly the first time. That was a rather interesting on site visit.