Ok.. minor rant here...
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Y'know.. this whole 'Microsoft is the evil empire' thing reached a new low today.. I got my code project newsletter, and what greets my eyes: The IBM PC, One Of The Most Important Milestones In Computing History, Just Turned 30 Years Old The first truly open system (except, for the OS)? I thought that codeproject was run by programmers.. folks smart enough to know that the PC is hardware, not software... and that PCs run any OS you can think of.. Yes.. MS-DOS and windows in all its incarnations come to mind.. but I've also booted PCs to: Forth Unix (many flavors over the years) Custom-OS (I'm an old dog). The PC architecture is about as open as it gets. Yet some idiot at CP has to post a dig at Microsoft.. The code project, I would hope, would be above all the 'Apple vs. MS vs. Unix' stupidity.. but nooooooooooo. Just a note.. MS didn't get big all by itself.. users bought all those systems with Windows on them.. You know.. the whole capitalist market thing? .. ok rant over.. carry on.
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Y'know.. this whole 'Microsoft is the evil empire' thing reached a new low today.. I got my code project newsletter, and what greets my eyes: The IBM PC, One Of The Most Important Milestones In Computing History, Just Turned 30 Years Old The first truly open system (except, for the OS)? I thought that codeproject was run by programmers.. folks smart enough to know that the PC is hardware, not software... and that PCs run any OS you can think of.. Yes.. MS-DOS and windows in all its incarnations come to mind.. but I've also booted PCs to: Forth Unix (many flavors over the years) Custom-OS (I'm an old dog). The PC architecture is about as open as it gets. Yet some idiot at CP has to post a dig at Microsoft.. The code project, I would hope, would be above all the 'Apple vs. MS vs. Unix' stupidity.. but nooooooooooo. Just a note.. MS didn't get big all by itself.. users bought all those systems with Windows on them.. You know.. the whole capitalist market thing? .. ok rant over.. carry on.
A fair call. I will pass this on.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Y'know.. this whole 'Microsoft is the evil empire' thing reached a new low today.. I got my code project newsletter, and what greets my eyes: The IBM PC, One Of The Most Important Milestones In Computing History, Just Turned 30 Years Old The first truly open system (except, for the OS)? I thought that codeproject was run by programmers.. folks smart enough to know that the PC is hardware, not software... and that PCs run any OS you can think of.. Yes.. MS-DOS and windows in all its incarnations come to mind.. but I've also booted PCs to: Forth Unix (many flavors over the years) Custom-OS (I'm an old dog). The PC architecture is about as open as it gets. Yet some idiot at CP has to post a dig at Microsoft.. The code project, I would hope, would be above all the 'Apple vs. MS vs. Unix' stupidity.. but nooooooooooo. Just a note.. MS didn't get big all by itself.. users bought all those systems with Windows on them.. You know.. the whole capitalist market thing? .. ok rant over.. carry on.
richard_k wrote:
PCs run any OS you can think of..
OpenVMS? Well, I understand there are VAX emulators.
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A fair call. I will pass this on.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Y'know.. this whole 'Microsoft is the evil empire' thing reached a new low today.. I got my code project newsletter, and what greets my eyes: The IBM PC, One Of The Most Important Milestones In Computing History, Just Turned 30 Years Old The first truly open system (except, for the OS)? I thought that codeproject was run by programmers.. folks smart enough to know that the PC is hardware, not software... and that PCs run any OS you can think of.. Yes.. MS-DOS and windows in all its incarnations come to mind.. but I've also booted PCs to: Forth Unix (many flavors over the years) Custom-OS (I'm an old dog). The PC architecture is about as open as it gets. Yet some idiot at CP has to post a dig at Microsoft.. The code project, I would hope, would be above all the 'Apple vs. MS vs. Unix' stupidity.. but nooooooooooo. Just a note.. MS didn't get big all by itself.. users bought all those systems with Windows on them.. You know.. the whole capitalist market thing? .. ok rant over.. carry on.
2600 heds a year, I'm bound to write the occasional clunker, and you're free to split hairs about the technical details. Or about my sense of humor. I shall further refrain from poking fun at VB as well. But not Microsoft Bob. Or Clippy. However, I do not care for being called an idiot. PS: I believe the IBM 5150 shipped with DOS 1.0, not Windows. Also, I changed my mind and I will continue to mock VB. You have been warned.
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2600 heds a year, I'm bound to write the occasional clunker, and you're free to split hairs about the technical details. Or about my sense of humor. I shall further refrain from poking fun at VB as well. But not Microsoft Bob. Or Clippy. However, I do not care for being called an idiot. PS: I believe the IBM 5150 shipped with DOS 1.0, not Windows. Also, I changed my mind and I will continue to mock VB. You have been warned.
Terrence Dorsey wrote:
Microsoft Bob. Or Clippy.
Have at 'em. ME as well.
Terrence Dorsey wrote:
I will continue to mock VB.
You and me both. :thumbsup:
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2600 heds a year, I'm bound to write the occasional clunker, and you're free to split hairs about the technical details. Or about my sense of humor. I shall further refrain from poking fun at VB as well. But not Microsoft Bob. Or Clippy. However, I do not care for being called an idiot. PS: I believe the IBM 5150 shipped with DOS 1.0, not Windows. Also, I changed my mind and I will continue to mock VB. You have been warned.
Hoi how come you don't get one of them there fancy icons to your name. Clippy has got to be fair game, MS Bob as well. If you stop sniping at VB half the Lounge would bitch at you for some reason.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Terrence Dorsey wrote:
Microsoft Bob. Or Clippy.
Have at 'em. ME as well.
Terrence Dorsey wrote:
I will continue to mock VB.
You and me both. :thumbsup:
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Terrence Dorsey wrote:
I will continue to mock VB.
You and me both.
:thumbsup:Me too. :thumbsup:
Excuse me for my improper grammar and typos. It's because English is my primary language, not my first language. My first languages are C# and Java. VB, ASP, JS, PHP and SQL are my second language. Indonesian came as my third language. My fourth language? I'm still creating it, I'll let you know when it's done! :-D
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Hoi how come you don't get one of them there fancy icons to your name. Clippy has got to be fair game, MS Bob as well. If you stop sniping at VB half the Lounge would bitch at you for some reason.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
<whisper> Shhh!... I'm undercover. </whisper> Carry on... nothing to see here... go about your business.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Terrence Dorsey wrote:
I will continue to mock VB.
You and me both.
:thumbsup:Me too. :thumbsup:
Excuse me for my improper grammar and typos. It's because English is my primary language, not my first language. My first languages are C# and Java. VB, ASP, JS, PHP and SQL are my second language. Indonesian came as my third language. My fourth language? I'm still creating it, I'll let you know when it's done! :-D
We could form a club.
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We could form a club.
We already did. It's called The Code Project.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
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richard_k wrote:
PCs run any OS you can think of..
OpenVMS? Well, I understand there are VAX emulators.
In 1987 I had a VMS shell that ran under MS-DOS on the PC. That was rather amusing for those of us who used VMS a lot at the time. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the VAX could be emulated at the hardware level on today's machines. Friends of mine wrote a hardware-level emulator for an old Cyber mainframe and they say that some of the old programs they have for the Cyber can load and run on it and actually run faster than they did on the original hardware. That's really not too surprising when you consider the Cyber had probably a 1.0MHz or so clock and they ran their emulator on a 1GHz x86 machine. An amusing anecdote about the VAX - in my first job out of school in the mid-80s we were writing automation software in FORTRAN under VMS on the VAX. We were talking to PLCs using the Modbus RTU protocol. This uses a CRC16 algorithm for checksums of each packet sent and received and it would chew up a LOT of CPU time. Mid-way through the project DEC decided to implement a CRC16 algorithm in microcode. We had to take the VAX-750 down for half a day and the service guy took the motherboard, which was at least two feet on a side, out of the chassis and changed a whole bunch of wire wraps on it. We then loaded up an OS patch, updated the compiler, and tweaked our PLC driver code and ended up with minimal CPU usage. We all thought it was rather amazing to see such good results from that ordeal. Ah, the joys of old mini-computers.
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In 1987 I had a VMS shell that ran under MS-DOS on the PC. That was rather amusing for those of us who used VMS a lot at the time. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the VAX could be emulated at the hardware level on today's machines. Friends of mine wrote a hardware-level emulator for an old Cyber mainframe and they say that some of the old programs they have for the Cyber can load and run on it and actually run faster than they did on the original hardware. That's really not too surprising when you consider the Cyber had probably a 1.0MHz or so clock and they ran their emulator on a 1GHz x86 machine. An amusing anecdote about the VAX - in my first job out of school in the mid-80s we were writing automation software in FORTRAN under VMS on the VAX. We were talking to PLCs using the Modbus RTU protocol. This uses a CRC16 algorithm for checksums of each packet sent and received and it would chew up a LOT of CPU time. Mid-way through the project DEC decided to implement a CRC16 algorithm in microcode. We had to take the VAX-750 down for half a day and the service guy took the motherboard, which was at least two feet on a side, out of the chassis and changed a whole bunch of wire wraps on it. We then loaded up an OS patch, updated the compiler, and tweaked our PLC driver code and ended up with minimal CPU usage. We all thought it was rather amazing to see such good results from that ordeal. Ah, the joys of old mini-computers.
In 1987 I was in college learning Cobol on a VAX 11-785. I now have two AlphaServers and a MicroVAX 3100 (circa 1986). http://charonvax.net/[^] http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/[^]
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Y'know.. this whole 'Microsoft is the evil empire' thing reached a new low today.. I got my code project newsletter, and what greets my eyes: The IBM PC, One Of The Most Important Milestones In Computing History, Just Turned 30 Years Old The first truly open system (except, for the OS)? I thought that codeproject was run by programmers.. folks smart enough to know that the PC is hardware, not software... and that PCs run any OS you can think of.. Yes.. MS-DOS and windows in all its incarnations come to mind.. but I've also booted PCs to: Forth Unix (many flavors over the years) Custom-OS (I'm an old dog). The PC architecture is about as open as it gets. Yet some idiot at CP has to post a dig at Microsoft.. The code project, I would hope, would be above all the 'Apple vs. MS vs. Unix' stupidity.. but nooooooooooo. Just a note.. MS didn't get big all by itself.. users bought all those systems with Windows on them.. You know.. the whole capitalist market thing? .. ok rant over.. carry on.
richard_k wrote:
some idiot at CP
That's a bit... um... harsh, don't you think? Besides, the fact that you can run your choice of OS on the hardware doesn't change the fact that the hardware shipped with DOS, does it? Maybe you oughta try decaf for a while? :laugh:
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richard_k wrote:
PCs run any OS you can think of..
OpenVMS? Well, I understand there are VAX emulators.
I seem to remember VMS running on PCs back at SDC in Camarillo in the 80s (I worked at Burroughs/SDC at that time). So yup.. I think VMS also. Don't remember it being a real product though.. more of a curiousity. Fast forward to 1990 (about 5 years from when I was at SDC) and Unix workstations started making serious inroads into VMS/A-series/V-series/IBM-architecture/(you name your mainframe) systems. Its part of why I left the Unisys marketplace. Useful systems to those that had them.. but outdated by Unix and the hardware it ran on.. That whole marketplace has been stagnant for 20 years.. And where did I run to? Unix!
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2600 heds a year, I'm bound to write the occasional clunker, and you're free to split hairs about the technical details. Or about my sense of humor. I shall further refrain from poking fun at VB as well. But not Microsoft Bob. Or Clippy. However, I do not care for being called an idiot. PS: I believe the IBM 5150 shipped with DOS 1.0, not Windows. Also, I changed my mind and I will continue to mock VB. You have been warned.
Hi Terrence. Dropped in to say that the comments on those article headings are pretty hilarious so good job :-D.
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