Unpaid overtime during 2-week notice
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
I'd not only not work the upaid overtime, I'd make sure that it is known as a reason for my departure. :)
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
Depending if you like the place or not. If not, no, what are they going to do? Fire you?
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
aalex675 wrote:
Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
Not a chance. If they don't like it, they can pay you out on your notice and you get a short vacation...
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
If it is a well documented part of your contract with the employers that you may have to work overtime without pay, you should. It is something you had signed up for and you should behave professionally resigned or not. If it is not something that your contract states, grab a beer or twenty and sleep well on Saturday and Sunday. :)
"The worst code you'll come across is code you wrote last year.", wizardzz[^]
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
Nope... when its unpaid... it should be up to you anyway, they can't force you to work.
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
I doubt that I would: sounds like they're just getting the last drop of blood out of you. How much notice did you have to give? A week? It's a hard lesson but I bet you won't do that again.
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If it is a well documented part of your contract with the employers that you may have to work overtime without pay, you should. It is something you had signed up for and you should behave professionally resigned or not. If it is not something that your contract states, grab a beer or twenty and sleep well on Saturday and Sunday. :)
"The worst code you'll come across is code you wrote last year.", wizardzz[^]
d@nish wrote:
If it is a well documented part of your contract with the employers that you may have to work overtime without pay
I don't think it is legal to put that in a contract, due to the fact that it in itself is illegal. I'm pretty sure we abolished slavery and fought a war over it.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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If it is a well documented part of your contract with the employers that you may have to work overtime without pay, you should. It is something you had signed up for and you should behave professionally resigned or not. If it is not something that your contract states, grab a beer or twenty and sleep well on Saturday and Sunday. :)
"The worst code you'll come across is code you wrote last year.", wizardzz[^]
Well said :)
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d@nish wrote:
If it is a well documented part of your contract with the employers that you may have to work overtime without pay
I don't think it is legal to put that in a contract, due to the fact that it in itself is illegal. I'm pretty sure we abolished slavery and fought a war over it.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Colin Mullikin wrote:
I don't think it is legal to put that in a contract, due to the fact that it in itself is illegal.
In the US, salaried employees may be required to work overtime without extra pay.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
Mmmm, TPS reports you say?
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d@nish wrote:
If it is a well documented part of your contract with the employers that you may have to work overtime without pay
I don't think it is legal to put that in a contract, due to the fact that it in itself is illegal. I'm pretty sure we abolished slavery and fought a war over it.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Colin Mullikin wrote:
I don't think it is legal to put that in a contract, due to the fact that it in itself is illegal.
In the US, salaried employees may be required to work overtime without extra pay.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
Well, assuming you are right and it is legal, I have no clue how we, as a people, allowed this to happen. No matter how you look at the situation, it is work being done that is not being paid for. And that, by definition, is slavery.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Mmmm, TPS reports you say?
Those darn Macs take so long to save a file and shutdown. :laugh: :laugh:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Well, assuming you are right and it is legal, I have no clue how we, as a people, allowed this to happen. No matter how you look at the situation, it is work being done that is not being paid for. And that, by definition, is slavery.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
The difference is that in theory if you're salary and only work 30 hours they still have to pay you for 40. Good luck trying to do that though in most places.
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Colin Mullikin wrote:
I don't think it is legal to put that in a contract, due to the fact that it in itself is illegal.
In the US, salaried employees may be required to work overtime without extra pay.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
In the US, salaried employees may be required to work overtime without extra pay.
Nope, Salaried employees may work extra hours without extra pay, they may also work less hours for the same pay. However, the can not be required to work the extra hours. It is hardly at issue, most people will work 90 hours a week and never complain.
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Well, assuming you are right and it is legal, I have no clue how we, as a people, allowed this to happen. No matter how you look at the situation, it is work being done that is not being paid for. And that, by definition, is slavery.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
It only applies to white collar jobs. I am not sure what the reasoning is exactly.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
In the US, salaried employees may be required to work overtime without extra pay.
Nope, Salaried employees may work extra hours without extra pay, they may also work less hours for the same pay. However, the can not be required to work the extra hours. It is hardly at issue, most people will work 90 hours a week and never complain.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
I'm not exactly sure how it works. Can an employer say "you must get this task done by this deadline, regardless of how long it takes each day" and, failing that, fire you for not meeting expectations? That wouldn't be exactly the same as requiring overtime, but the overtime may be a side-effect of another requirement, and you wouldn't be paid for it. Then again, requirements go out the door when working for an at-will employer (they can fire you for any reason or no reason). So the expectation may be that you work overtime, and you risk your job if you don't meet those expectations.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
You don't legally HAVE to give 2 weeks. Just stop showing up, especially if you aren't getting paid for it anyway.
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