Unpaid overtime during 2-week notice
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Mmmm, TPS reports you say?
Those darn Macs take so long to save a file and shutdown. :laugh: :laugh:
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Well, assuming you are right and it is legal, I have no clue how we, as a people, allowed this to happen. No matter how you look at the situation, it is work being done that is not being paid for. And that, by definition, is slavery.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
The difference is that in theory if you're salary and only work 30 hours they still have to pay you for 40. Good luck trying to do that though in most places.
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Colin Mullikin wrote:
I don't think it is legal to put that in a contract, due to the fact that it in itself is illegal.
In the US, salaried employees may be required to work overtime without extra pay.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
AspDotNetDev wrote:
In the US, salaried employees may be required to work overtime without extra pay.
Nope, Salaried employees may work extra hours without extra pay, they may also work less hours for the same pay. However, the can not be required to work the extra hours. It is hardly at issue, most people will work 90 hours a week and never complain.
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Well, assuming you are right and it is legal, I have no clue how we, as a people, allowed this to happen. No matter how you look at the situation, it is work being done that is not being paid for. And that, by definition, is slavery.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
It only applies to white collar jobs. I am not sure what the reasoning is exactly.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
In the US, salaried employees may be required to work overtime without extra pay.
Nope, Salaried employees may work extra hours without extra pay, they may also work less hours for the same pay. However, the can not be required to work the extra hours. It is hardly at issue, most people will work 90 hours a week and never complain.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
I'm not exactly sure how it works. Can an employer say "you must get this task done by this deadline, regardless of how long it takes each day" and, failing that, fire you for not meeting expectations? That wouldn't be exactly the same as requiring overtime, but the overtime may be a side-effect of another requirement, and you wouldn't be paid for it. Then again, requirements go out the door when working for an at-will employer (they can fire you for any reason or no reason). So the expectation may be that you work overtime, and you risk your job if you don't meet those expectations.
Martin Fowler wrote:
Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand.
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
You don't legally HAVE to give 2 weeks. Just stop showing up, especially if you aren't getting paid for it anyway.
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
Since you don't want to burn any bridges and want a good recommendation I would go ahead and work the hours but I would also let it be known as high in the organization as possible that that is one of the reasons for your resignation. One of the main reasons for overtime is poor management!
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
If you need them as a reference, I would prolly grit my teeth and do it with the satisfaction of knowing that the end is in sight. Maybe try to get a few light-hearted quips in about how "now you really do deserve a good reference"...
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
aalex675 wrote:
Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
Not only no, but f*ck no. And if the decide to feel froggy and let you go early, they STILL have to pay you for the time you're not there. I don't work overtime unless I'm working on something I personally broke. I'm too old for that "it's just understood" crap. I interviewed once for a position and the guy said, "We work 50-60 hour weeks on a regular basis. It's expected of every employee." I responded that I'm way too far down the road (and way too old) to put up with that kind of schedule, and commented that maybe they needed more people, and that those people needed to be treated better.
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aalex675 wrote:
Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
Not only no, but f*ck no. And if the decide to feel froggy and let you go early, they STILL have to pay you for the time you're not there. I don't work overtime unless I'm working on something I personally broke. I'm too old for that "it's just understood" crap. I interviewed once for a position and the guy said, "We work 50-60 hour weeks on a regular basis. It's expected of every employee." I responded that I'm way too far down the road (and way too old) to put up with that kind of schedule, and commented that maybe they needed more people, and that those people needed to be treated better.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
We work 50-60 hour weeks on a regular basis.
And that was a contract you did not get not did you want. I've been in that position except it was after I had signed on for the contract, when I stated that there would be a reciprocal time in lieu they accepted that, I got it in writing. My contract was not renewed when I had the temerity to actually take the time owed! Having said that I'm off to Nepal in September for a week, the current boss DOES accept time in lieu and I have 5 days of weekends up my sleeve :laugh: :laugh:
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Well, assuming you are right and it is legal, I have no clue how we, as a people, allowed this to happen. No matter how you look at the situation, it is work being done that is not being paid for. And that, by definition, is slavery.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
Colin Mullikin wrote:
how we, as a people, allowed this to happen
"We" don't make the rules. :sigh:
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
In the US, salaried employees may be required to work overtime without extra pay.
Nope, Salaried employees may work extra hours without extra pay, they may also work less hours for the same pay. However, the can not be required to work the extra hours. It is hardly at issue, most people will work 90 hours a week and never complain.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
most people will work 90 hours a week and never complain.
::cough:: Idiots. ::cough::
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
Hell no, unless I was personally friendly with the manager or I really needed the reference, and given that I can get a glowing reference. Once you resign from a company they can't expect much from you except hand-over work, and you can't expect much in the way of perks from them.
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AspDotNetDev wrote:
In the US, salaried employees may be required to work overtime without extra pay.
Nope, Salaried employees may work extra hours without extra pay, they may also work less hours for the same pay. However, the can not be required to work the extra hours. It is hardly at issue, most people will work 90 hours a week and never complain.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. I also do Android Programming as I find it a refreshing break from the MS. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
the can not be required to work the extra hours
Oh sure. No company has ever used the "not a team player", "doesn't cooperate with corporate policy", "doesn't schedule time wisely" explanations as ground for termination. No sir.
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aalex675 wrote:
Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
Not only no, but f*ck no. And if the decide to feel froggy and let you go early, they STILL have to pay you for the time you're not there. I don't work overtime unless I'm working on something I personally broke. I'm too old for that "it's just understood" crap. I interviewed once for a position and the guy said, "We work 50-60 hour weeks on a regular basis. It's expected of every employee." I responded that I'm way too far down the road (and way too old) to put up with that kind of schedule, and commented that maybe they needed more people, and that those people needed to be treated better.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I don't work overtime unless I'm working on something I personally broke.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'm way too far down the road (and way too old) to put up with that kind of schedule
Same here. I had a couple occasions earlier in my career where I put in 70-80 hours weeks for several months. It didn't buy me anything. It didn't get reflected in my appraisal and didn't improve my salary. If I put in any extra time nowadays, it's because I choose to. I'll stay a bit to finish something off, just to avoid dealing with it the next day. Just as often I'll take off a few minutes early for personal concerns. My boss knows I'm productive, regardless of my schedule.
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Long time lurker here with a dilemma. I just resigned from my job this week, giving about 2 1/2 weeks of notice. For the last few weeks, the company has asked a few of us to be on a rotation to work on Saturdays for a few hours so each of us only has to work every other Saturday. Now the boss just came by to say that they are going to be changing it to 2 shifts on Saturday and Sunday so that we will both be working both days. This job does not pay for overtime and it's always just been something that is accepted that we need to do to get through crunch times, but it feels like now the crunch is because I am leaving in two weeks and it doesn't really seem fair to force overtime because someone is leaving. Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
aalex675 wrote:
Would you work unpaid overtime after giving your resignation?
not just no, but HELL no! What exactly do you owe them again? Bryce
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If you need them as a reference, I would prolly grit my teeth and do it with the satisfaction of knowing that the end is in sight. Maybe try to get a few light-hearted quips in about how "now you really do deserve a good reference"...
clientSurfer wrote:
prolly
Related in any way to probably?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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clientSurfer wrote:
prolly
Related in any way to probably?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
Related in any way to probably?
Prolly.
