Mark Duggan
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So, why the hell are people rioting for an idiot who shot a cop? From what I can tell, this idiot was a thug. Why so much noise for a low life scumbag that shot a cop? :confused:
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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So, why the hell are people rioting for an idiot who shot a cop? From what I can tell, this idiot was a thug. Why so much noise for a low life scumbag that shot a cop? :confused:
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
What no-one over there is willing to talk about, apparently is that Duggan was a black man and the people who are rioting are blacks. They have legitimate concerns about being squeezed out of jobs by, mostly Pakistani, immigrants and feel legitimate anger at a system that they see as helping everyone else while ignoring them. It appears that rioting is becoming a way of expressing frustration. Recently, in Philadelphia and elsewhere, flash mobs have gathered not to dance, not even to rob, but simply to riot.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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What no-one over there is willing to talk about, apparently is that Duggan was a black man and the people who are rioting are blacks. They have legitimate concerns about being squeezed out of jobs by, mostly Pakistani, immigrants and feel legitimate anger at a system that they see as helping everyone else while ignoring them. It appears that rioting is becoming a way of expressing frustration. Recently, in Philadelphia and elsewhere, flash mobs have gathered not to dance, not even to rob, but simply to riot.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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I understand there is a feeling amongst black communities, and that perceived truth is often more important than actual truth, and there may be questions that answers need to be given. But; How can smashing up your own community, robbing stuff from your neighbours, burning the houses down of people who are supposed to be on your side. How can that be helpful. And when that question was put to one of the black spokesmen on Five Live this morning his response was "the real question is how were they allowed to do that".
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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So, why the hell are people rioting for an idiot who shot a cop? From what I can tell, this idiot was a thug. Why so much noise for a low life scumbag that shot a cop? :confused:
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
If he really was involved in a gang, he deserved what he got. So what if he had a family? If one wishes to embrace violence, a bullet to the head should not be unexpected.
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What no-one over there is willing to talk about, apparently is that Duggan was a black man and the people who are rioting are blacks. They have legitimate concerns about being squeezed out of jobs by, mostly Pakistani, immigrants and feel legitimate anger at a system that they see as helping everyone else while ignoring them. It appears that rioting is becoming a way of expressing frustration. Recently, in Philadelphia and elsewhere, flash mobs have gathered not to dance, not even to rob, but simply to riot.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
They have legitimate concerns about being squeezed out of jobs by, mostly Pakistani Eastern European, immigrants and feel legitimate anger at a system that they see as helping everyone else while ignoring them
FTFY... I used to live is Tottenham, its a (relatively) rough area but within easy reach of reasonable work. The problem in the UK is not at all people being squeezed out of jobs or a system helping everyone else whilst ignoring them. We have a serious issue with a (largely) nanny state driven culture of 'its all somebody elses fault', from parents absolving themselves of the responsibility of teaching children respect or anything else, (as it's the job of schools to do that), to people not being prepared to take the work that is available as they feel its beneath them. A good example of this is the fruit picking industry which you just can't get the unemployed natives. They may well feel angry, but we're all in the same boat and, quite frankly, not as much of it is as legitimate as you might presume.
Rhys "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
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I understand there is a feeling amongst black communities, and that perceived truth is often more important than actual truth, and there may be questions that answers need to be given. But; How can smashing up your own community, robbing stuff from your neighbours, burning the houses down of people who are supposed to be on your side. How can that be helpful. And when that question was put to one of the black spokesmen on Five Live this morning his response was "the real question is how were they allowed to do that".
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Perhaps they would not be allowed to do that if there was some Policing Policy that stopped the youths of the area. You know, if, say, a young, unemployed, black, armed man, with a record of violence and who was shooting at police officers, then perhaps instead of 'Letting' him do that they were to, say, shoot him dead, then that would be acceptable?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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I understand there is a feeling amongst black communities, and that perceived truth is often more important than actual truth, and there may be questions that answers need to be given. But; How can smashing up your own community, robbing stuff from your neighbours, burning the houses down of people who are supposed to be on your side. How can that be helpful. And when that question was put to one of the black spokesmen on Five Live this morning his response was "the real question is how were they allowed to do that".
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
ChrisElston wrote:
How can smashing up your own community, robbing stuff from your neighbours, burning the houses down of people who are supposed to be on your side.
How can that be helpful.It's not. I lived through the Los Angeles riots and that was interesting. Kind of hard to show sympathy and compassion for a bunch of fucking animals. Stupid is as stupid does.
Just along for the ride. "the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
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What no-one over there is willing to talk about, apparently is that Duggan was a black man and the people who are rioting are blacks. They have legitimate concerns about being squeezed out of jobs by, mostly Pakistani, immigrants and feel legitimate anger at a system that they see as helping everyone else while ignoring them. It appears that rioting is becoming a way of expressing frustration. Recently, in Philadelphia and elsewhere, flash mobs have gathered not to dance, not even to rob, but simply to riot.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
hey have legitimate concerns about being squeezed out of jobs by, mostly Pakistani, immigrants
What type of Jobs are we talking about? Only from pak and not from India?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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Oakman wrote:
hey have legitimate concerns about being squeezed out of jobs by, mostly Pakistani, immigrants
What type of Jobs are we talking about? Only from pak and not from India?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
That part of London is like Islamabad. It is mainly Pakistani immigrants and there are moves to make it a no go area for non-muslims. It is seriously bad there, although not as bad as the Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets. (Google that one to see the truth of what is happening)
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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That part of London is like Islamabad. It is mainly Pakistani immigrants and there are moves to make it a no go area for non-muslims. It is seriously bad there, although not as bad as the Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets. (Google that one to see the truth of what is happening)
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Well, thats bad. I dont know what is the purpose with having a isolated zone.It feels you are part of the large culture
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
First of all they create a ghetto, then complain that they are living in a ghetto, then complain that there is no infrastructure or inward investment. Well of course not, they have driven everyone else away.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]
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Oakman wrote:
They have legitimate concerns about being squeezed out of jobs by, mostly Pakistani Eastern European, immigrants and feel legitimate anger at a system that they see as helping everyone else while ignoring them
FTFY... I used to live is Tottenham, its a (relatively) rough area but within easy reach of reasonable work. The problem in the UK is not at all people being squeezed out of jobs or a system helping everyone else whilst ignoring them. We have a serious issue with a (largely) nanny state driven culture of 'its all somebody elses fault', from parents absolving themselves of the responsibility of teaching children respect or anything else, (as it's the job of schools to do that), to people not being prepared to take the work that is available as they feel its beneath them. A good example of this is the fruit picking industry which you just can't get the unemployed natives. They may well feel angry, but we're all in the same boat and, quite frankly, not as much of it is as legitimate as you might presume.
Rhys "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
goblinTech wrote:
not as much of it is as legitimate as you might presume.
You know far more about the issue than I do, but I have read that blacks tend to get a worst deal than either your immigrants - especially those accorded a special status because of their religion - or your white 2nd generation+ population. Is that correct?
goblinTech wrote:
We have a serious issue with a (largely) nanny state driven culture of 'its all somebody elses fault', from parents absolving themselves of the responsibility of teaching children respect or anything else, (as it's the job of schools to do that), to people not being prepared to take the work that is available as they feel its beneath them. A good example of this is the fruit picking industry which you just can't get the unemployed natives.
'Tis amazing how equality before the law (a good idea) devolves into let's make everyone equal by taking wealth from those who earn it and using it to provide a good standard of living to those who don't. At a time when the U.S. founders were reacting most strongly to the concept of the aristocracy have special rules for themselves, they still tried to provide safe-guards against the republic turning into a democracy since they knew that every democracy, sooner or later, becomes a state where those without wealth or the willingness to work for it discover they can vote to have it given to them. (All that is necessary is to teach the poor and the nere-do-wells that they are victims.) But the founders failed. It is my estimation that neither in Britain or in America is there, any longer, a hope of turning back the tide.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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Oakman wrote:
hey have legitimate concerns about being squeezed out of jobs by, mostly Pakistani, immigrants
What type of Jobs are we talking about? Only from pak and not from India?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
super wrote:
Only from pak and not from India?
Don't the Indians all have jobs in call centers? ;)
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
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goblinTech wrote:
not as much of it is as legitimate as you might presume.
You know far more about the issue than I do, but I have read that blacks tend to get a worst deal than either your immigrants - especially those accorded a special status because of their religion - or your white 2nd generation+ population. Is that correct?
goblinTech wrote:
We have a serious issue with a (largely) nanny state driven culture of 'its all somebody elses fault', from parents absolving themselves of the responsibility of teaching children respect or anything else, (as it's the job of schools to do that), to people not being prepared to take the work that is available as they feel its beneath them. A good example of this is the fruit picking industry which you just can't get the unemployed natives.
'Tis amazing how equality before the law (a good idea) devolves into let's make everyone equal by taking wealth from those who earn it and using it to provide a good standard of living to those who don't. At a time when the U.S. founders were reacting most strongly to the concept of the aristocracy have special rules for themselves, they still tried to provide safe-guards against the republic turning into a democracy since they knew that every democracy, sooner or later, becomes a state where those without wealth or the willingness to work for it discover they can vote to have it given to them. (All that is necessary is to teach the poor and the nere-do-wells that they are victims.) But the founders failed. It is my estimation that neither in Britain or in America is there, any longer, a hope of turning back the tide.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
a state where those without wealth or the willingness to work for it discover they can vote to have it given to them
Yeah I see that happen all the time. If I see the unemployed 9.2% use their overwhelming majority to bully the electorate into giving them free LCD TV's one more time I'm gonna scream.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
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Oakman wrote:
a state where those without wealth or the willingness to work for it discover they can vote to have it given to them
Yeah I see that happen all the time. If I see the unemployed 9.2% use their overwhelming majority to bully the electorate into giving them free LCD TV's one more time I'm gonna scream.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
David Kentley wrote:
If I see the unemployed 9.2% use their overwhelming majority to bully the electorate into giving them free LCD TV's one more time I'm gonna scream.
This is neither the forum for it, nor have I the time to provide the economics background needed to argue this point rationally. Have a nice day.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
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David Kentley wrote:
If I see the unemployed 9.2% use their overwhelming majority to bully the electorate into giving them free LCD TV's one more time I'm gonna scream.
This is neither the forum for it, nor have I the time to provide the economics background needed to argue this point rationally. Have a nice day.
“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein
Oakman wrote:
This is neither the forum for it, nor have I the time to provide the economics background needed to argue this point rationally.
Me neither, which is why I took a straw man potshot, like you did.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
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Oakman wrote:
This is neither the forum for it, nor have I the time to provide the economics background needed to argue this point rationally.
Me neither, which is why I took a straw man potshot, like you did.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
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goblinTech wrote:
not as much of it is as legitimate as you might presume.
You know far more about the issue than I do, but I have read that blacks tend to get a worst deal than either your immigrants - especially those accorded a special status because of their religion - or your white 2nd generation+ population. Is that correct?
goblinTech wrote:
We have a serious issue with a (largely) nanny state driven culture of 'its all somebody elses fault', from parents absolving themselves of the responsibility of teaching children respect or anything else, (as it's the job of schools to do that), to people not being prepared to take the work that is available as they feel its beneath them. A good example of this is the fruit picking industry which you just can't get the unemployed natives.
'Tis amazing how equality before the law (a good idea) devolves into let's make everyone equal by taking wealth from those who earn it and using it to provide a good standard of living to those who don't. At a time when the U.S. founders were reacting most strongly to the concept of the aristocracy have special rules for themselves, they still tried to provide safe-guards against the republic turning into a democracy since they knew that every democracy, sooner or later, becomes a state where those without wealth or the willingness to work for it discover they can vote to have it given to them. (All that is necessary is to teach the poor and the nere-do-wells that they are victims.) But the founders failed. It is my estimation that neither in Britain or in America is there, any longer, a hope of turning back the tide.
The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.
Oakman wrote:
every democracy, sooner or later, becomes a state where those without wealth or the willingness to work for it discover they can vote to have it given to them. ...It is my estimation that neither in Britain or in America is there, any longer, a hope of turning back the tide
I sure don't see it, but I sure do hope you are right. What I have seen is the rich waging a war against the rest of us and they are winning. Increased income inequality, the hollowing out of the middle class, a unrelenting attack against workers and a 2-tiered system of justice. I'm all for universal health care, a more generous Social Security, a strong minimum wage - in short a strong social safety net.
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If he really was involved in a gang, he deserved what he got. So what if he had a family? If one wishes to embrace violence, a bullet to the head should not be unexpected.