Texas Theocracy Part Deux
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Response intended for Majerus below, as well. Firstly, NY's raw unemployment rate provides a very incomplete picture. The state government has a Frakenstein of a workforce: described here at NY Times[^]. The state work force has continually increased and they don't even know how big it really is, and so the employment rate is skewed by this un-natural growth. Additionally, the make up of the workforce is not as pretty as you might assume, see NY Daily News.[^]. The poor condition of NY state in economic terms is clearly apparent when you look closer at the population's ebb and flow: why they leave.[^] Another clear indicator of health is the state's revenue coupled with the current state policies. If a state can balance their budget without tax increases or more borrowing, there is less strain on the private sector. This known by Bob McDonnell (future POTUS) in his rebuttal[^] to this[^] article. Also, our next POTUS has demonstrated this in his state described here[
puromtec1 wrote:
States run by conservative Republicans are doing exceedingly well considering the overall economic condition of the entire country. Conversely, liberal Democrats have consistently run their states into the ground.
I'm still waiting for you to make your case. Now to your response - You've suggested that New York's unemployment rate is lower than all these red states I've mentioned because of emmigration. It's an interesting suggestion, but you haven't provided numbers that would support a large enough outflow to significantly impact the unemployment rate. And you haven't addressed at all why these red states are in the bottom half of the country as far as their unemployment rates are concerned. If Republican leadership were so effective one would expect to see a significant concentration of red states in the top half with the lowest unemployment rates. (The NYT article you linked to is actually the New York Post - a Murdoch rag, which leaves it lacking in the credibility. And you realize you linked to the same article twice, right?) An opinion piece written by a the govenor of Virginia is just that - the opinion of a politician. It doesn't advance your case. The Conor Dougherty article makes the obvious point that given an unchanged tax rate and improving economy will bring in more revenues to the state. But it doesn't make the point that these increases on concentrated in red states. This doesn't advance your case. A speech by Perry is still just a speech by a politician - it doesn't advance your case. the stimulus cost $278,000 per job is just a zombie lie that I won't bother to refute here, nor will I spend any time refuting the case that the stimulus did not work, because the stimulus is not relevant to your case.
puromtec1 wrote:
This again is merely a result of more poor people living in those states. Governors can't wave a magic wand and change this fact. Therefore, it has very little to do with a discussion of the state level policies.
Interesting couple of sentences. Poverty is not some natural phenomenon like a tornado or earthquake or flood. State level policies do have an impact and poverty has very much to do with this discussion. If red states are so good for the economy, then where are all the jobs that would have a direct impact on poverty in the state? And the fact that these states are getting a Federal subsidy is quite signif
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States run by conservative Republicans are doing exceedingly well considering the overall economic condition of the entire country. Conversely, liberal Democrats have consistently run their states into the ground. Let's see..a governor who prays on TV but lets you flourish and do so as free as a bird, or a government that leads its people to squalor (more of the same). Take your pick
The guy is a fraud. He was a registered democrat for 20 years, has never run a business, and most of the jobs created in his state were the result of using future tax revenues to bribe companies to relocate from other states. As a result, Texas is experiencing the largest budget deficit in its history. We don't need another big government RINO like this guy.
"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer "The failure mode of 'clever' is 'asshole'" John Scalzi
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Response intended for Majerus below, as well. Firstly, NY's raw unemployment rate provides a very incomplete picture. The state government has a Frakenstein of a workforce: described here at NY Times[^]. The state work force has continually increased and they don't even know how big it really is, and so the employment rate is skewed by this un-natural growth. Additionally, the make up of the workforce is not as pretty as you might assume, see NY Daily News.[^]. The poor condition of NY state in economic terms is clearly apparent when you look closer at the population's ebb and flow: why they leave.[^] Another clear indicator of health is the state's revenue coupled with the current state policies. If a state can balance their budget without tax increases or more borrowing, there is less strain on the private sector. This known by Bob McDonnell (future POTUS) in his rebuttal[^] to this[^] article. Also, our next POTUS has demonstrated this in his state described here[
I see nothing in all of that even comes close to showing real numbers (and methodologies) which support your original assertion of "States run by conservative Republicans are doing exceedingly well" Actually I can't see that any of it is related to that. Rather it is a mishmash of opinion and unrelated random indicators.
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Response intended for Majerus below, as well. Firstly, NY's raw unemployment rate provides a very incomplete picture. The state government has a Frakenstein of a workforce: described here at NY Times[^]. The state work force has continually increased and they don't even know how big it really is, and so the employment rate is skewed by this un-natural growth. Additionally, the make up of the workforce is not as pretty as you might assume, see NY Daily News.[^]. The poor condition of NY state in economic terms is clearly apparent when you look closer at the population's ebb and flow: why they leave.[^] Another clear indicator of health is the state's revenue coupled with the current state policies. If a state can balance their budget without tax increases or more borrowing, there is less strain on the private sector. This known by Bob McDonnell (future POTUS) in his rebuttal[^] to this[^] article. Also, our next POTUS has demonstrated this in his state described here[
Perry is a fraud, a big government RINO, ex-Democrat that has used State funds and future revenues to bribe companies to relocate from other states (resulting in a net loss for the US, even if a gain for Texas). He won't get my primary vote, and shouldn't get yours. Take a deeper look, he is not what he would like you to think he is.[^], and he is not a fiscal conservative[^]
"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer "The failure mode of 'clever' is 'asshole'" John Scalzi
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IdUnknown wrote:
Yes, the American public is that stupid.
Speak for yourself.
"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer "The failure mode of 'clever' is 'asshole'" John Scalzi
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Perry is a fraud, a big government RINO, ex-Democrat that has used State funds and future revenues to bribe companies to relocate from other states (resulting in a net loss for the US, even if a gain for Texas). He won't get my primary vote, and shouldn't get yours. Take a deeper look, he is not what he would like you to think he is.[^], and he is not a fiscal conservative[^]
"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer "The failure mode of 'clever' is 'asshole'" John Scalzi
Good links, this type of thing is common I know, but I wonder if there is any real study of the long term effects of a state effectively investing in companies to bring their operations to their states. In contrast, Nikki Haley of SC took the opposite position recently, I can't recall the company, it was a large online company I think.
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puromtec1 wrote:
States run by conservative Republicans are doing exceedingly well considering the overall economic condition of the entire country. Conversely, liberal Democrats have consistently run their states into the ground.
I'm still waiting for you to make your case. Now to your response - You've suggested that New York's unemployment rate is lower than all these red states I've mentioned because of emmigration. It's an interesting suggestion, but you haven't provided numbers that would support a large enough outflow to significantly impact the unemployment rate. And you haven't addressed at all why these red states are in the bottom half of the country as far as their unemployment rates are concerned. If Republican leadership were so effective one would expect to see a significant concentration of red states in the top half with the lowest unemployment rates. (The NYT article you linked to is actually the New York Post - a Murdoch rag, which leaves it lacking in the credibility. And you realize you linked to the same article twice, right?) An opinion piece written by a the govenor of Virginia is just that - the opinion of a politician. It doesn't advance your case. The Conor Dougherty article makes the obvious point that given an unchanged tax rate and improving economy will bring in more revenues to the state. But it doesn't make the point that these increases on concentrated in red states. This doesn't advance your case. A speech by Perry is still just a speech by a politician - it doesn't advance your case. the stimulus cost $278,000 per job is just a zombie lie that I won't bother to refute here, nor will I spend any time refuting the case that the stimulus did not work, because the stimulus is not relevant to your case.
puromtec1 wrote:
This again is merely a result of more poor people living in those states. Governors can't wave a magic wand and change this fact. Therefore, it has very little to do with a discussion of the state level policies.
Interesting couple of sentences. Poverty is not some natural phenomenon like a tornado or earthquake or flood. State level policies do have an impact and poverty has very much to do with this discussion. If red states are so good for the economy, then where are all the jobs that would have a direct impact on poverty in the state? And the fact that these states are getting a Federal subsidy is quite signif
Very few states have been run by conservative Republican legislatures and governors for a significantly long history. I may to this thread a later date, I don't specifically know off hand the legislature histories of many states, but I do know there are "red" states are still reeling from bad policies set forth by Democrat legislatures. About austerity: you have completely mis-understood the youtube video I published, or didn't watch it. On a more general note, what guides me in deciding what is good policy or not, is simple, does it improve productivity or add workers to the workforce? Those are the only ways economies expand. Anything else is just a waste or causes of hinderence. Therefore, I see a lot of bad in Democrat economic policies.
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puromtec1 wrote:
States run by conservative Republicans are doing exceedingly well considering the overall economic condition of the entire country. Conversely, liberal Democrats have consistently run their states into the ground.
I'm still waiting for you to make your case. Now to your response - You've suggested that New York's unemployment rate is lower than all these red states I've mentioned because of emmigration. It's an interesting suggestion, but you haven't provided numbers that would support a large enough outflow to significantly impact the unemployment rate. And you haven't addressed at all why these red states are in the bottom half of the country as far as their unemployment rates are concerned. If Republican leadership were so effective one would expect to see a significant concentration of red states in the top half with the lowest unemployment rates. (The NYT article you linked to is actually the New York Post - a Murdoch rag, which leaves it lacking in the credibility. And you realize you linked to the same article twice, right?) An opinion piece written by a the govenor of Virginia is just that - the opinion of a politician. It doesn't advance your case. The Conor Dougherty article makes the obvious point that given an unchanged tax rate and improving economy will bring in more revenues to the state. But it doesn't make the point that these increases on concentrated in red states. This doesn't advance your case. A speech by Perry is still just a speech by a politician - it doesn't advance your case. the stimulus cost $278,000 per job is just a zombie lie that I won't bother to refute here, nor will I spend any time refuting the case that the stimulus did not work, because the stimulus is not relevant to your case.
puromtec1 wrote:
This again is merely a result of more poor people living in those states. Governors can't wave a magic wand and change this fact. Therefore, it has very little to do with a discussion of the state level policies.
Interesting couple of sentences. Poverty is not some natural phenomenon like a tornado or earthquake or flood. State level policies do have an impact and poverty has very much to do with this discussion. If red states are so good for the economy, then where are all the jobs that would have a direct impact on poverty in the state? And the fact that these states are getting a Federal subsidy is quite signif
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Very few states have been run by conservative Republican legislatures and governors for a significantly long history. I may to this thread a later date, I don't specifically know off hand the legislature histories of many states, but I do know there are "red" states are still reeling from bad policies set forth by Democrat legislatures. About austerity: you have completely mis-understood the youtube video I published, or didn't watch it. On a more general note, what guides me in deciding what is good policy or not, is simple, does it improve productivity or add workers to the workforce? Those are the only ways economies expand. Anything else is just a waste or causes of hinderence. Therefore, I see a lot of bad in Democrat economic policies.
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puromtec1 wrote:
The types of policies put in place the state level are cold hard fact.
Cold hard facts are ones that can actually be demonstrated in some measurable way. So perhaps you could provide information that states the actual stats to support your view and describe in detail the methodology used to arrive at those numbers.
I'm tired of pundits and their true believers. If he wants to believe his partisan quackery he can. I was merely trying to point out that there is some facts missing in his link, like any. I expected the response I got. His link is only opinion. California is mostly run by ballot initiatives. It's hard to raise or lower taxes or anything else for that matter when you have to run a ballot to ask the people if they can do it. No other state I'm aware of is run like this.
Well, who doesn't release stuff like that ? Microsoft software is just as bad. Christian Graus That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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You should. Half the Republican contenders for the repblican nomination are or have been his employees and it has now been revealed that his publishing empire is nothing more than a criminal enterprise.
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Majerus wrote:
and it has now been revealed that his publishing empire is nothing more than a criminal enterprise.
I seriously doubt that.
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You should. Half the Republican contenders for the repblican nomination are or have been his employees and it has now been revealed that his publishing empire is nothing more than a criminal enterprise.
This needs to stay on topic, because what you are saying is silly. The rouge employees who committed the crimes work for an organization that makes up 1% of his 'empire'. The New York Times routinely uses information illegally obtained. You can reference John and Alice Martin's illegal taping of Newt Gingrich which was given to Democrat leaders of the House and various news media outlets. Also, was Les Moonves drug before a congressional committee after the whole fake National Guard documents scandal? CBS has been known for corruption since they staged for their 60 Minutes show a sadle tank explosion (which I remember distinctly).
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Perry is a fraud, a big government RINO, ex-Democrat that has used State funds and future revenues to bribe companies to relocate from other states (resulting in a net loss for the US, even if a gain for Texas). He won't get my primary vote, and shouldn't get yours. Take a deeper look, he is not what he would like you to think he is.[^], and he is not a fiscal conservative[^]
"People who bite the hand that feeds them usually lick the boot that kicks them." Eric Hoffer "The failure mode of 'clever' is 'asshole'" John Scalzi
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This needs to stay on topic, because what you are saying is silly. The rouge employees who committed the crimes work for an organization that makes up 1% of his 'empire'. The New York Times routinely uses information illegally obtained. You can reference John and Alice Martin's illegal taping of Newt Gingrich which was given to Democrat leaders of the House and various news media outlets. Also, was Les Moonves drug before a congressional committee after the whole fake National Guard documents scandal? CBS has been known for corruption since they staged for their 60 Minutes show a sadle tank explosion (which I remember distinctly).
puromtec1 wrote:
The rouge employees who committed the crimes
I knew they were commies.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
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puromtec1 wrote:
The rouge employees who committed the crimes
I knew they were commies.
And sometimes when you're on, you're really f***ing on And your friends they sing along and they love you But the lows are so extreme that the good seems f***ing cheap And it teases you for weeks in its absence Rilo Kiley - "A Better Son/Daughter"
I think my favorite nonsense excuse people give for one group is to call them a rough or basically say so and so is doing it too. As if that makes it ok. Besides http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/16/phone-hacking-now-reporter-letter[^] there own words tend to deflate the idea that there wasn't a cover up or than the timeline of when James Murdoch new what was going on doesn't match up with events taken place. They're a corporation and corporations only exist for one reason, profit. Everything else is by happenstance.
Well, who doesn't release stuff like that ? Microsoft software is just as bad. Christian Graus That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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There is no arguing that the big liberal states (NY, California, Michigan, NJ(has reason for hope), Rhode Island, Illinois, Wisconsin, Connecticut) have bankrupted themselves so their political leaders could derived power from the government spending. Others states Arizona and Nevada in the most trouble found by a Pew study have huge illegal-immigration issues. And, your links are irrelevant, as they simply provide an indication of the fact that red states have poorer citizens--a historical condition. So what? Mathematically, the net loss/gain to the federal government is insignifant when compared to certain state governments' deliberate policy steps taken to solidify a voter base which ends up driving away or hampering private businesses. Also, your gallup poll on political affiliations means nothing to this conversation. The types of policies put in place the state level are cold hard fact. They need no poll to interpret.
puromtec1 wrote:
There is no arguing that the big liberal states (NY, California, Michigan, NJ(has reason for hope), Rhode Island, Illinois, Wisconsin, Connecticut) have bankrupted themselves so their political leaders could derived power from the government spending.
Not looking through all of them, but I know for a fact that the Wisconsin Governor is a Republican.... Yes the state tends to vote Dem and Left, but your argument is lost when part of the government is not on that side of the fence.. Who caused the damange??
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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puromtec1 wrote:
There is no arguing that the big liberal states (NY, California, Michigan, NJ(has reason for hope), Rhode Island, Illinois, Wisconsin, Connecticut) have bankrupted themselves so their political leaders could derived power from the government spending.
Not looking through all of them, but I know for a fact that the Wisconsin Governor is a Republican.... Yes the state tends to vote Dem and Left, but your argument is lost when part of the government is not on that side of the fence.. Who caused the damange??
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet.
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Scott Walker is a new governor and has done something very important to turn back the tide in his state. He has ended the automatic payment to state unions out of the paychecks of teachers. This is why he is hated so much by the union leaders, btw.