30 years of PC
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It was on this day 30 years ago, IBM launched the IBM Personal Computer[^]. I remember using the AT and XT versions in my school in mid 90s to write GWBASIC programs.
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It was on this day 30 years ago, IBM launched the IBM Personal Computer[^]. I remember using the AT and XT versions in my school in mid 90s to write GWBASIC programs.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
and look where they are now...
Oh yes, in desperate straits down to 55th in the world by revenue[^].
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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(Your link doesn't work - I suspect a space) Now look at capitalization, and revenue per employee, and compare that with Micro$oft... Nearly twice, and nearly four times as large!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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This day in 1984 I was probably up a tree in Staffordshire. This day 30 years ago I was probably up a tree in Derbyshire. I spent a lot of time up trees when I was younger. I miss climbing trees (I did try again quite recently but it was a lot harder than I remember)
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
ChrisElston wrote:
I did try again quite recently but it was a lot harder than I remember
Me too. Ascending was pretty much as I remembered but descending was so much more problematic.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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(Your link doesn't work - I suspect a space) Now look at capitalization, and revenue per employee, and compare that with Micro$oft... Nearly twice, and nearly four times as large!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
Thanks Griff! Damned CP linky paster. Chopped off a whole word. First time I've had that.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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(Your link doesn't work - I suspect a space) Now look at capitalization, and revenue per employee, and compare that with Micro$oft... Nearly twice, and nearly four times as large!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
OriginalGriff wrote:
Now look at capitalization, and revenue per employee, and compare that with Micro$oft...
Nearly twice, and nearly four times as large!Oh yes, there's no doubt that they are a shadow of the colossus they once were but hardly a candidate for an episode of 'Where are they now?'.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Now look at capitalization, and revenue per employee, and compare that with Micro$oft...
Nearly twice, and nearly four times as large!Oh yes, there's no doubt that they are a shadow of the colossus they once were but hardly a candidate for an episode of 'Where are they now?'.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
True enough. But I bet the bosses of IBM grind their teeth every time they turn on the Windows 7 lappie... :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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True enough. But I bet the bosses of IBM grind their teeth every time they turn on the Windows 7 lappie... :laugh:
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
OriginalGriff wrote:
But I bet the bosses of IBM grind their teeth every time they turn on the Windows 7 Lenovo lappie...
FTFY
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
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ChrisElston wrote:
I did try again quite recently but it was a lot harder than I remember
Me too. Ascending was pretty much as I remembered but descending was so much more problematic.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
It's that sense of impending death/broken bits as you look down from 15ft in the air. I was really pleased the other day when I spotted some little mongrel kid up 50ft up a morton bay fig, parent sitting under the tree weren't fazed at all. Good to see in these days of over protective parents.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Amiga was Commodore going to 'the next level' as it were.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
Now that's one of the weirdest stories. Atari came first with the Atari ST, but the ST was the inofficial sucessor of the C64 (same developers + new owners of Atari). The Amiga came later and was sold by Commodore. Its chipset was made by the same people ho designed the chipset for the 8 bit Ataris, making it their inofficial sucessor.
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Thanks Griff! Damned CP linky paster. Chopped off a whole word. First time I've had that.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.” I wouldn't let CG touch my Abacus! When you're wrestling a gorilla, you don't stop when you're tired, you stop when the gorilla is.
Henry Minute wrote:
Damned CP linky paster. Chopped off a whole word. First time I've had that.
I wonder if something was broken. It happened to me yesterday, I just assumed I bunged the copy/paste since it worked fine in the fix edit.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
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It was on this day 30 years ago, IBM launched the IBM Personal Computer[^]. I remember using the AT and XT versions in my school in mid 90s to write GWBASIC programs.
In 1983 I started as a programmer on the old IBM Series 1 and my company decided to take a look at the IBM PC and sent me to Boca Raton, FL for a "How to support the IBM PC" class. I thought it was a complete joke and never thought it or personal computers in general would amount to anything. Shows you what I know. :)
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I was there. I had an Apple 2e when the PC came out. My first PC-class machine was a Sperry XT in 1983. If you can picture it, the thing was MASSIVE. It weighed in at about 60 pounds, and you had to install the memory CHIPS one at a time. Floppy drives were 5-1/4 inch FULL HEIGHT drives, and 20MB hard drives were considered "too large to fill up". The common yardstick of compatibility was whether or not and how well a given computer could run Microsoft Flight Simulator.
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997I learned to program on an HP 9845 []. I was a draftsman at a civil engineering firm in high school and got to use the computer after the engineer went home at night. I even had my own cassette tape. That was thirty four years past. I had stopped climbing trees at that point. The rest is (literally) history.
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And don't they just wish they hadn't? They were the major computing company - if you wanted a computer, you probably bought it and all the software available from them. But they made it open source hardware, and an external OS. Despite PS/2 and OS/2, they couldn't put the genie back in the bottle, and look where they are now...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together. Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
The "open source" hardware was an accident :) IBM published the hardware schematics and the firmware BIOS in a technical reference manual - like they did for everything else they made - that made it very easy for others manufactures to make "PC compatible" computers.
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It was on this day 30 years ago, IBM launched the IBM Personal Computer[^]. I remember using the AT and XT versions in my school in mid 90s to write GWBASIC programs.
I still have two of them that work sitting in my attic
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It was on this day 30 years ago, IBM launched the IBM Personal Computer[^]. I remember using the AT and XT versions in my school in mid 90s to write GWBASIC programs.
If you were using IBM PCs, then you were using PC-DOS, which came with BASICA not GWBASIC.
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If you were using IBM PCs, then you were using PC-DOS, which came with BASICA not GWBASIC.
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The "open source" hardware was an accident :) IBM published the hardware schematics and the firmware BIOS in a technical reference manual - like they did for everything else they made - that made it very easy for others manufactures to make "PC compatible" computers.
They were used to that from the mainframes. I remember reading though some of the OS source code looking for the reason I was getting a specific error message. IBM was used to having proprietary hardware, so what was the risk of detailing everything? The PC changed that, but their documenting department didn't realize it.
Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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It was on this day 30 years ago, IBM launched the IBM Personal Computer[^]. I remember using the AT and XT versions in my school in mid 90s to write GWBASIC programs.
I was pi$$ed off because IBM had the audacity to use the initials PC. I had been selling a lot of other personal computers at the time (Apple, Processor Tech, IMSAI, etc.) and for IBM to come in an take ownership of the term "personal computer" was an affront to all the other manufacturers. But to the unwashed thousands, IBM, meant "computer", all the others were toys, even though IBM specs, as usual, were middle of the road. The phrase at the time for any computer was, "You can buy better than IBM, but you can't pay more." I then worked for a software publisher that took programs converted from other OS's to the PC's and doubled the price, just because they could. I was equally enraged when Microsoft took over the universally used "DOC" extension as their own proprietary file format.
Psychosis at 10 Film at 11 Those who do not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it. Those who do not remember the past, cannot build upon it.
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The one I used did not have a hard disk, a boot floppy was required and we used MS-DOS boot disks. After MS-DOS fully booted up and showed the command prompt, the boot disk was removed and application disks were inserted. I am sure I used GW-BASIC.
I'm just saying, MS-DOS is not what was used on the IBM PC. PC-DOS was used. MS-DOS was used on the clones. It wasn't until years later that people started using MS-DOS on IBM PCs as well.. But most of the time, IBM PCs/XTs/ATs ran PC-DOS, which came with BASICA, not MS-DOS, which came with GWBASIC. You couldn't run BASICA on a clone because it required the ROM that was on the PC that wasn't available on clones.
